Dissidence inside Trudeau's ranks; a Liberal MP denounces his party's politicizing of the pandemic

[QuebecOverCanada]

The Truckers' movement was all that was needed to break apart the Liberals unity it seems.

Trudeau divided the country so much, and had such a divisive rhetoric, that even the Federal Liberal Party of Canada is now having dissidence over the direction of the Minority government.

Are we reaching the end of the Omerta of the Covid measures?

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A Liberal MP is speaking out against Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and provincial governments’ pandemic policies, and politicians’ handling of the ongoing trucker convoy protests.

Joel Lightbound, the Louis-Hébert, Que. MP, held a press conference on Parliament Hill on Tuesday morning saying that he thinks those concerned about COVID-19 policies have “legitimate concerns” that should not be dismissed.

[TrudeauSucks]

The woke don't care. They'll fight tooth and nail to keep this guy in power. I've visited liberal forums, where some university kids are asking Doug Ford to send in the army to remove the truckers in Ottawa. They say their angry, because Doug Ford won't listen to their requests.

There angry, because they're got so use to working at home, they might be forced to go out of the house and actually have a life again.

Edited February 8, 2022 by TrudeauSucks

[Moonlight Graham]

Liberal MPs aren't allowed to voice their own thoughts or those in the interests of their constituents, they are forced to parrot whatever their leader wants.  This guy's job is now in jeopardy.

If anything is "a threat to our democracy" its that nonsense.

Imagine living in a democracy where your MP is forced to STFU.

[QuebecOverCanada]

2 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Liberal MPs aren't allowed to voice their own thoughts or those in the interests of their constituents, they are forced to parrot whatever their leader wants.  This guy's job is now in jeopardy.

If anything is "a threat to our democracy" its that nonsense.

Imagine living in a democracy where your MP is forced to STFU.

Imagine living in a democracy where the Attorney General is under pressure to not charge a corporation for financial crimes by the Prime Minister of said democracy.

Edited February 8, 2022 by QuebecOverCanada

[QuebecOverCanada]

45 minutes ago, TrudeauSucks said:

The woke don't care. They'll fight tooth and nail to keep this guy in power. I've visited liberal forums, where some university kids are asking Doug Ford to send in the army to remove the truckers in Ottawa. They say their angry, because Doug Ford won't listen to their requests.

There angry, because they're got so use to working at home, they might be forced to go out of the house and actually have a life again.

I wouldn't make it a Woke debate. To be honest, the problem of nespotism in Canada predate the Woke movement.

[Moonbox]

Doesn't matter.  Wokeism is one of the conspiracy slogans that must be thrown around by default by certain types.  If you combine them with MSM, totalitarians and now hate-mongers into the same sentence, you get bonus points.  Forget actually posting thoughtful arguments.  Just yell "Woke Nazi MSM Totalitarian Puppets violating our Constituuuuution" or something like that and you have the meat of most of their "arguments".  

Edited February 8, 2022 by Moonbox

[Zeitgeist]

40 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Doesn't matter.  Wokeism is one of the conspiracy slogans that must be thrown around by default by certain types.  If you combine them with MSM, totalitarians and now hate-mongers into the same sentence, you get bonus points.  Forget actually posting thoughtful arguments.  Just yellow "Woke Nazi MSM Totalitarian Puppets violating our Constituuuuution" or something like that and you have the meat of most of their "arguments".  

Are you an unconstitutional woke Nazi MSM totalitarian puppet? Lol

Edited February 8, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[QuebecOverCanada]

42 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Doesn't matter.  Wokeism is one of the conspiracy slogans that must be thrown around by default by certain types.  If you combine them with MSM, totalitarians and now hate-mongers into the same sentence, you get bonus points.  Forget actually posting thoughtful arguments.  Just yellow "Woke Nazi MSM Totalitarian Puppets violating our Constituuuuution" or something like that and you have the meat of most of their "arguments".  

Are you a communist? (Jk)

[West]

1 hour ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Imagine living in a democracy where the Attorney General is under pressure to not change a corporation for financial crimes by the Prime Minister of said democracy.

Is this English? Signs of a mental illness ?

[QuebecOverCanada]

12 minutes ago, West said:

Is this English? Signs of a mental illness ?

You're not getting over the fact that unintelligible rants against Trudeau, making an obsession with irrelevant, made up facts, make you look bad, ain't it?

[TrudeauSucks]

4 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Liberal MPs aren't allowed to voice their own thoughts or those in the interests of their constituents, they are forced to parrot whatever their leader wants.  This guy's job is now in jeopardy.

If anything is "a threat to our democracy" its that nonsense.

Imagine living in a democracy where your MP is forced to STFU.

Trudeau is a dark narcasist and sociopath. There terrified to show any disagreement or concern. Trudeau fired Jody Wilson-Raybould for a reason. He sent a signal to the rest of his caucus, that if they ever try and second guess him publicly, they will lose their job.

He's kind of like Kim Jung I'll. He's trained his groupies to clap for him, even when they know he's spouting off bullshit. Just smile and clap, and you can keep your $250 000 a year job, and six figure pension. When the concervatives reaze illegitament concerns, make sure to smirk at them, and demoralize them. If you don't he might have a problem.

[QuebecOverCanada]

1 hour ago, TrudeauSucks said:

He's kind of like Kim Jung I'll. He's trained his groupies to clap for him, even when they know he's spouting off bullshit. Just smile and clap, and you can keep your $250 000 a year job, and six figure pension.

That's a funny comparison, but it has its limitations.

Trudeau's hair is legitimately better than Kim's.

[WestCanMan]

8 hours ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Joel Lightbound, the Louis-Hébert, Que. MP, held a press conference on Parliament Hill on Tuesday morning saying that he thinks those concerned about COVID-19 policies have “legitimate concerns” that should not be dismissed.

Let's see how long Mr Lightbound lasts in the LPOC. 

[Nefarious Banana]

[Zeitgeist]

12 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Let's see how long Mr Lightbound lasts in the LPOC. 

He spoke powerfully and sincerely.  My guess is that he will be one of the last remaining pillars of the party when it falls apart — if he isn’t kicked out.  He should just defect to the Conservatives.

[WestCanMan]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

He spoke powerfully and sincerely.  My guess is that he will be one of the last remaining pillars of the party when it falls apart — if he isn’t kicked out.  He should just defect to the Conservatives.

You know who else spoke powerfully and sincerely? 4 women. It's about time that a man from the LPOC stood up to Trudeau. I was starting to consider a sex change operation. 

Celine Caesar- Chavannez

Jane Philpott

Jody Wilson-Raybould

Leona Alleslev

 

[Nefarious Banana]

27 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

He spoke powerfully and sincerely.  My guess is that he will be one of the last remaining pillars of the party when it falls apart — if he isn’t kicked out.  He should just defect to the Conservatives.

He mentioned others in the party . . . . wondering if he has some backing?

Very refreshing to see a free thinker in the ranks of the Trudeau Liberals.

[WestCanMan]

18 hours ago, Nefarious Banana said:

He mentioned others in the party . . . . wondering if he has some backing?

Very refreshing to see a free thinker in the ranks of the Trudeau Liberals.

From Nat Post: https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/its-not-good-timing-liberals-downplay-mp-joel-lightbounds-accusation-of-divisive-tactics

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Meanwhile, another Liberal MP from Quebec, Yves Robillard, has decided to speak up to say he agrees with “everything that Lightbound said”.

 

Robillard, who represents the Marc-Aurèle-Fortin riding in Laval, told the Hill Times in an interview that Lightbound “said exactly what a lot of us think” and mentioned that there are more MPs in the caucus “who’ve just had enough”.

 

 

Robillard re: Lightbound: “said exactly what a lot of us think” and mentioned that there are more MPs in the caucus “who’ve just had enough”.

Edited February 9, 2022 by WestCanMan

[QuebecOverCanada]

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what we call a turning point.

[TreeBeard]

1 minute ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what we call a turning point.

Would you place the same emphasis/importance on a Conservative MP with a different opinion on the Truckers as the party leader?

[Nefarious Banana]

17 minutes ago, TreeBeard said:

Would you place the same emphasis/importance on a Conservative MP with a different opinion on the Truckers as the party leader?

Yeah but,  Yeah but,  Yeah but, . . . . 

Costello has left the building.

[TreeBeard]

Just now, Nefarious Banana said:

Yeah but,  Yeah but,  Yeah but, . . . . 

Costello has left the building.

I didn’t provide any buts….  Don’t both parties seem to have MPs that disagree with their party leadership?

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

I didn’t provide any buts….  Don’t both parties seem to have MPs that disagree with their party leadership?

No. Not at all. MPs in the LPOC toe the party line or they get punted. 

That's not just me talking, elected MPs who went independent or crossed the floor said the exact same things. 

Trudeau himself said that no one is allowed to run as a Lib if they don't support abortion. When you consider that so many Quebecers are RCs, there are obviously a lot of ridings in Que where the majority of people are against abortion, but Lib MPs are expressly forbidden to represent them. 

Trudeau runs a tight ship. Having two MPs stand up and go directly against him is a big deal. I can promise you, that little bastard is fuming right now.

Just to add - dissension in the PC is not a big deal. Some PCs go to the convoy and support it, some stay away and don't support it, and that's with the rank and file members as well as the leaders. It's what one would expect from over 100 different people from different parts of the country.

I would have hoped that the PCs would have gone after the PM for his hatemongering a bit more, but I also understand that they have to contend with the MSM which will flay anyone alive who goes directly against the PM like that.

Edited February 10, 2022 by WestCanMan

[QuebecOverCanada]

1 hour ago, TreeBeard said:

Would you place the same emphasis/importance on a Conservative MP with a different opinion on the Truckers as the party leader?

The LPC has power while the CPC tries to get it... the chances an opposition party has internal turmoil and power challenges are high. Trudeau's leadership has remained somewhat uncontested for years since 2015. His ideological views specifically were not denounced by two MPs, two days in a row.

Remember when the LPC eradicated all the pro choicers in the party? No problem at that time to impose that.

I wouldn't say that the 2019 scandal with Wilson Raybould was ideologically driven. Now there is a fracture inside the Liberal Party's ideology (live and let live vs. Proactive government intervention) . It is irreconcilable.

[sharkman]

For some of the above, and other reasons, JT’s time as PM is running out.  Too much swept under the rug and too many that know they could do a better job than their leader, and are willing to blow the whistle on him to get a chance to prove it.

It’s just a matter of time and opportunity.