"Justin Trudeau: Well first of all, inflation is a direct consequence of the global COVID crisis. "

[Shady]

I’m sure he thinks inflation will fix itself.  In the same way the budget will balance.

[Nefarious Banana]

9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

It's entirely obvious to anyone who is not a zealot that we do not have Communism.

May be the wrong choice of words at this time, but do you not agree that the socialist direction we're lunging toward has Communism as the end result?  

[Michael Hardner]

7 minutes ago, Nefarious Banana said:

May be the wrong choice of words at this time, but do you not agree that the socialist direction we're lunging toward has Communism as the end result?  

Corporate Taxes and Taxes for the wealthy have been going down on the long term.

There are more options for wealthy Canadians to make more money easier.

Working people are beset by rising rents and generally tougher circumstances than when I grew up.

None of this adds up to socialism in my book.  Don't mistake Trudeau pretending to be Socially aware and socialist from the reality.  The stupid thing is that with a little imagination, the business world, the wealthy and working people could see improvements in their quality of life.  But it's far easier to manage your image than have vision for the future.

[Yzermandius19]

48 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

It's entirely obvious to anyone who is not a zealot that we do not have Communism.

Your status as a rhetorical clown should be used where it belongs: in the House of Commons.

Back to ignore with you and anyone who hates politics so much that they demand everybody use their clown words...

you can call it whatever you want

it's still communism

a rose by any other name

the people who don't understand that

are zealots or useful idiots

switching from class commies to race commies

doesn't throw anyone with a sense of smell off of smelling the obvious stench

Edited December 21, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[Michael Hardner]

3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

1. it's still communism

2. are zealots or useful idiots

3. doesn't throw any reasonable person off the obvious scent

1. Words mean things
2. You are redefining words and expecting me to follow your definition.  Do I get the same privilege with you then ?
3.  And again 95% of voters are crazy right...  

[Yzermandius19]

10 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

And again 95% of voters are crazy right...  

in Canada, yeah

just because something is popular doesn't make it a good idea

Edited December 21, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[Michael Hardner]

19 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

 just because something is popular doesn't make it a good idea

I hereby define 'good idea' to mean 'bad idea' and now it's a good idea.  

There's nothing worse than a rhetorician ...

[Yzermandius19]

11 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

I hereby define 'good idea' to mean 'bad idea' and now it's a good idea.  

There's nothing worse than a rhetorician ...

you get hung up on semantics

and totally miss the point

[ironstone]

I think covid has certainly impacted the world economy in a really negative way and many countries reacted by massive spending, Trudeau already was a big spender to begin with. In my opinion, much of his spending wasn't smart spending, it was more about just pissing money out the door as fast as he could.

And we all know Justin Trudeau does not take economics seriously. In his own words he's admitted he doesn't think of monetary policy when it comes to managing Canada's economy.

Trudeau says he doesn’t “think about monetary policy” when asked about the economy | True North (tnc.news)

[Michael Hardner]

46 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

you get hung up on semantics

and totally miss the point

You are the same as people who make new pronouns like Xie and demand others use them.

 

Back of the bus for you...

 

[eyeball]

23 hours ago, Army Guy said:

You continue to say that I'm not a fan of Justins

You use this as an accusation because your team insists on believing everything that doesn't identify as being inside its troop is a radical, commie, Marxist, Bolshevik, environmentalist blah blah blah.

When your disgust for someone is as apparent as it is and you insist on making it a point to constantly associate them with people who disagree with you, you might as well be calling them a fucking asshole.

You just don't get that do you?

Speaking of characterizing someone...I bet you were cheering for Brigadier General Jack Ripper in Dr Strangelove weren't you?  

Edited December 21, 2021 by eyeball

[blackbird]

6 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. It's not real.  Or has he duped you too?

2. Because it costs zero, and he doesn't have to do anything.

Trudeau's perverse love for China may have cost Canadians billions for all we know.  Trudeau tried to make a deal with China (Communist China if you can believe it) to provide Canadians with Covid vaccine and the deal fell through, which cost Canadians $250,000.  Everything Trudeau does costs Canadians a fortune because he is the one who has the top control of the cheque book for taxpayer's money.  To have a guy who has no concept of money in control of the purse strings is bizarre.  

[blackbird]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Corporate Taxes and Taxes for the wealthy have been going down on the long term.

There are more options for wealthy Canadians to make more money easier.

Working people are beset by rising rents and generally tougher circumstances than when I grew up.

None of this adds up to socialism in my book.  Don't mistake Trudeau pretending to be Socially aware and socialist from the reality.  The stupid thing is that with a little imagination, the business world, the wealthy and working people could see improvements in their quality of life.  But it's far easier to manage your image than have vision for the future.

Gradually growing Socialism is a monster that exists in Canada if you would open your eyes.

There are many examples, but just a couple.

A public health care system that is stretched to the brink with people needing heart or cancer surgery being put on hold and then they die waiting.  Long waiting lists, long waiting periods to get an appointment.  Not enough money being put into the system.  Now in spite of hundreds of billions of dollars in debt,  the liberals brought in ten dollar a day childcare.  This support is only for women who go out and work and put their children in child care.  Nothing equivalent for mothers who stay at home to raise their children in the traditional way.  Liberals/Socialists don't believe in the traditional family and have little use for it.  In effect, this is a Communist ideology where the Communists believe the state is better at raising people's children than the mother (or father).  It allows the state to further their ideology of the state running everything and making everyone totally dependent on the state. 

Then you have the demand for Pharmacare for everyone, another Socialist scheme that would cost tens of billions of dollars.

Don't forget about the Socialist-Communist legalizing the killing of people with medically-assisted dying, and giving it to people with mental conditions who are not fit to make any kind of rational decision.  Doesn't this sound like Communism where they found a way to reduce population of mentally ill, handicapped people, and others and save the Socialist system money.   Not to mention abortion of around 100,000 per year in Canada, which further reduces the costs of child care and social assistance for single women and married working women.

Oh, we can't forget the public school curriculum of teaching children sexual orientation and gender identity.  There are not just two genders;  there are allegedly many and a child can choose his/her own preference.  An eight or ten year old boy can be a girl or vice versa and the state has to provide drugs and later surgery to enable this madness.

Of course we have the latest new law that outlaws a consenting LGBTQ person from even receiving counseling to change or leave the LGBTQ lifestyle.  The state knows better than you or any individual.  Is this your wished for vision coming true?  It's not mine.

Edited December 21, 2021 by blackbird

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Corporate Taxes and Taxes for the wealthy have been going down on the long term.

There are more options for wealthy Canadians to make more money easier.

Working people are beset by rising rents and generally tougher circumstances than when I grew up.

None of this adds up to socialism in my book.  Don't mistake Trudeau pretending to be Socially aware and socialist from the reality.  The stupid thing is that with a little imagination, the business world, the wealthy and working people could see improvements in their quality of life.  But it's far easier to manage your image than have vision for the future.

 

It takes a CEO just days to earn your annual wage

But who cares about that when there's a rotten commie hiding under every bed?  

[Shady]

9 minutes ago, eyeball said:

 

It takes a CEO just days to earn your annual wage

But who cares about that when there's a rotten commie hiding under every bed?  

Not every CEO earns that.  Usually one that manages a multi-billion dollar company.  Their compensation is approved by a board and paid for with private money.  Tax laws aren’t the reason they’re wealthy.

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, Shady said:

Not every CEO earns that.  Usually one that manages a multi-billion dollar company.  Their compensation is approved by a board and paid for with private money.  Tax laws aren’t the reason they’re wealthy.

They're certainly not the only reason but most of the inequality is. I suspect you'll find even more outrageous income inequality in communist oligarchies.  Capitalism certainly doesn't require democracy to thrive. I think China may have shown capitalism does even better in the absence of fairness and accountability.   

[Shady]

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

They're certainly not the only reason but most of the inequality is. I suspect you'll find even more outrageous income inequality in communist oligarchies.  Capitalism certainly doesn't require democracy to thrive. I think China may have shown capitalism does even better in the absence of fairness and accountability.   

Even if CEO’s were paying 80% of their income in taxes, they’d still be wealthy.  Capitalism is just the voluntary exchange of goods and services based on an agreed upon price.  Only idiots oppose that philosophy.

[Army Guy]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

You use this as an accusation because your team insists on believing everything that doesn't identify as being inside its troop is a radical, commie, Marxist, Bolshevik, environmentalist blah blah blah.

When your disgust for someone is as apparent as it is and you insist on making it a point to constantly associate them with people who disagree with you, you might as well be calling them a fucking asshole.

You just don't get that do you?

Speaking of characterizing someone...I bet you were cheering for Brigadier General Jack Ripper in Dr Strangelove weren't you?  

No, not in this case, this was a question not an accusation...

Your right i do have a dislike for everything on the left, but also the extreme right...And that was not my intention at all atleast not in this case to call anyone an asshole, i respect most of Michaels opinion, not all but most  he keeps the conversation balanced and calls you out when needed. He is human i think, and he has his moments like we all do. 

I'm working on getting it , but it is going to be a long trip.

 

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, Shady said:

Capitalism is just the voluntary exchange of goods and services based on an agreed upon price.  Only idiots oppose that philosophy.

Cool strawman but is it fair to say you'd embrace communism with open arms if it meant saving capitalism?

[Faramir]

On 12/19/2021 at 11:58 AM, G Huxley said:

Does anyone else think that Trudeau doesn't have the barest grasp of the multiple causes of inflation?

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-on-deficit-concerns-his-2021-regrets-and-what-he-thinks-will-define-2022-1.5712061

Most politicians have no grasp on inflation.  Monetary inflation is a result of central bank monetary systems and sometimes can lead to price inflation on end goods.

[Faramir]

5 hours ago, blackbird said:

Gradually growing Socialism is a monster that exists in Canada if you would open your eyes.

There are many examples, but just a couple.

A public health care system that is stretched to the brink with people needing heart or cancer surgery being put on hold and then they die waiting.  Long waiting lists, long waiting periods to get an appointment.  Not enough money being put into the system.  Now in spite of hundreds of billions of dollars in debt,  the liberals brought in ten dollar a day childcare.  This support is only for women who go out and work and put their children in child care.  Nothing equivalent for mothers who stay at home to raise their children in the traditional way.  Liberals/Socialists don't believe in the traditional family and have little use for it.  In effect, this is a Communist ideology where the Communists believe the state is better at raising people's children than the mother (or father).  It allows the state to further their ideology of the state running everything and making everyone totally dependent on the state. 

Then you have the demand for Pharmacare for everyone, another Socialist scheme that would cost tens of billions of dollars.

Don't forget about the Socialist-Communist legalizing the killing of people with medically-assisted dying, and giving it to people with mental conditions who are not fit to make any kind of rational decision.  Doesn't this sound like Communism where they found a way to reduce population of mentally ill, handicapped people, and others and save the Socialist system money.   Not to mention abortion of around 100,000 per year in Canada, which further reduces the costs of child care and social assistance for single women and married working women.

Oh, we can't forget the public school curriculum of teaching children sexual orientation and gender identity.  There are not just two genders;  there are allegedly many and a child can choose his/her own preference.  An eight or ten year old boy can be a girl or vice versa and the state has to provide drugs and later surgery to enable this madness.

Of course we have the latest new law that outlaws a consenting LGBTQ person from even receiving counseling to change or leave the LGBTQ lifestyle.  The state knows better than you or any individual.  Is this your wished for vision coming true?  It's not mine.

Why is it even a question. Canadians are socialists hands down no argument.  The 5 parties are all left of centre.  Green, NDP, Bloc and the Liberals are all socialist parties.  

[Faramir]

4 hours ago, Shady said:

Even if CEO’s were paying 80% of their income in taxes, they’d still be wealthy.  Capitalism is just the voluntary exchange of goods and services based on an agreed upon price.  Only idiots oppose that philosophy.

What I tell my 16 year old who has a fancy for socialism.  "Socialism doesn't describe how the money is made, only how to distribute it"

[Faramir]

59 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Cool strawman but is it fair to say you'd embrace communism with open arms if it meant saving capitalism?

Why is it a strawman?  Capitalism is the ultimate philosophy of cooperation, not socialism.  The economy can only function and move ahead on cooperation of one person to allow their labour, or capital, to be exchanged for another's representative of labour, money.

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, Faramir said:

Why is it a strawman? 

Because it has nothing to do with what I said to counter his statement that tax laws aren't why CEO's get wealthy.  Shady is famous for changing the subject and suddenly talking about something that was never said.

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Capitalism is the ultimate philosophy of cooperation, not socialism.  The economy can only function and move ahead on cooperation of one person to allow their labour, or capital, to be exchanged for another's representative of labour, money.

Capitalism is not an ideology. An economy simply is what it is whether its coerced in a dictatorship or persuaded in a democracy.  In either case governments still have far more to do with creating and enabling inequality than they do wealth.  And don't get me started on the unequal lobbying power wealthy people and corporations enjoy over ordinary people long long before the competition to better oneself in the world even starts.

I think private sector in-camera lobbying on any issue related to the public's domain should be outlawed. Shady says I'm attacking free speech.  Now that's changing the subject!  

Edited December 22, 2021 by eyeball

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Delete...double post 

 

Edited December 22, 2021 by eyeball