New Brunswick goes full nazi and wants to prevent unvax from buying groceries

[QuebecOverCanada]

Ban from getting groceries if you are not vaccinated in New Brunswick.

Will the people disobey?

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Beginning Saturday, people in New Brunswick who do not show proof of full vaccination can be barred from entering grocery stores to buy food.

The measure was announced as part of the province’s “winter action plan,” which allows any business, including grocery stores, the option of barring unvaccinated individuals.

According to Health Minister Dorothy Shephard, it comes as the province sees a “very concerning” rise in COVID infections over the last two weeks, particularly among unvaccinated Canadians.

The province reported 97 cases and 2 deaths since Thursday.

Edited December 5, 2021 by QuebecOverCanada

[myata]

Fortunately (depending on the perspective) there are eight or something like that provinces, and so they can compete in the race to the mindless fear-mongering bottom.

[QuebecOverCanada]

2 minutes ago, myata said:

Fortunately (depending on the perspective) there are eight or something like that provinces, and so they can compete in the race to the mindless fear-mongering bottom.

This is really, really bad. They don't even hide their true colours. I read the comment sections of heated debates about these kinds of 3rd Reichesque policies in Germany, Austria, and those who oppose these laws prohibiting the unvax from getting food are called "plague rats". Some are told to not only exclude themselves and starve to death, but to literally be executed.

We are on a thin, thin ice.

[dialamah]

10 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Ban from getting groceries if you are not vaccinated in New Brunswick.

Will the people disobey?

 

Not at all what the situation is: NB is going into Level 1 restrictions, which requires groceries stores (among others) to enforce physical distancing OR MAY require proof of vaccination.  No ban from government.  CHOICE given to businesses.  Even your link said that this is an OPTION given to businesses and NOT a ban universally imposed.

This OP is simply fearmongering.  

[QuebecOverCanada]

6 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Not at all what the situation is: NB is going into Level 1 restrictions, which requires groceries stores (among others) to enforce physical distancing OR MAY require proof of vaccination.  No ban from government.  CHOICE given to businesses.  Even your link said that this is an OPTION given to businesses and NOT a ban universally imposed.

This OP is simply fearmongering.  

It is a ban unless the Groceries owners decides to put restrictions on the amount of customers it might welcome. 

What do you think about Germany and Austria? Would you support their steps in protecting you from the cough?

[Aristides]

We had those restrictions before vaccines. The unvaccinated shouldn't be upset if we are seeing them again. They are the reason why.

Edited December 5, 2021 by Aristides

[QuebecOverCanada]

51 minutes ago, Aristides said:

We had those restrictions before vaccines. The unvaccinated shouldn't be upset if we are seeing them again. They are the reason why.

41% is the probability someone infected with Covid will go to the hospital because of the cough, according to the Democratic electorate in the United States.

https://www.brookings.edu/research/how-misinformation-is-distorting-covid-policies-and-behaviors/

The real reason these measures exist, is that you are a scared bunch, irrational twats, who believe punishing your neighbor will be sufficient to protect you.

[Aristides]

2 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

41% is the probability someone infected with Covid will go to the hospital because of the cough, according to the Democratic electorate in the United States.

https://www.brookings.edu/research/how-misinformation-is-distorting-covid-policies-and-behaviors/

The real reason these measures exist, is that you are a scared bunch, irrational twats, who believe punishing your neighbor will be sufficient to protect you.

You are an entitled twat who thinks you have the right to endanger others. Man up and live with the consequences of your decisions instead of whining about them.

[QuebecOverCanada]

Just now, Aristides said:

You are an entitled twat who thinks you have the right to endanger others. Man up and live with the consequences of your decisions instead of whining about them.

Man up? Says the guy asking Mommy government to prevent you from being in contact with people who you disagree with?

Hey look, Austria, the country of reference for all your policies since the last century, is agreeing once again with your nazi politics.

[Aristides]

I don't dispute the Brookings article but if you bother to look, it is all based on studies done in 2020/

[suds]

Let's say grocery stores did require proof of vaccination (to enter stores) instead of physical distancing.  There's other ways of getting groceries (and pharmacy) by pick-up and delivery where no customer has to actually enter the store. I don't agree with the anti vaccinators but i support their right to decide what goes into their bodies.  The thing is that THEY have to accept they're not the only ones who have rights.

[QuebecOverCanada]

3 minutes ago, suds said:

Let's say grocery stores did require proof of vaccination (to enter stores) instead of physical distancing.  There's other ways of getting groceries (and pharmacy) by pick-up and delivery where no customer has to actually enter the store. 

If you refuse someone for work or for groceries because of his race, religion, is it ok? Because that person who is discriminated can work elsewhere or order online and it would protect the boss or merchant rights. So what is the issue?

Why bother with Human Rights and the Nuremberg code?

[suds]

6 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

If you refuse someone for work or for groceries because of his race, religion, is it ok? Because that person who is discriminated can work elsewhere or order online and it would protect the boss or merchant rights. So what is the issue?

Why bother with Human Rights and the Nuremberg code?

I agree with the race/religion bit, but this has absolutely nothing to do with race or religion does it?  I'd be surprised if the stores chose proof of vaccination over physical distancing. It's not like businesses to chase away customers.

[BubberMiley]

11 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

If you refuse someone for work or for groceries because of his race, religion, is it ok? Because that person who is discriminated can work elsewhere or order online and it would protect the boss or merchant rights. So what is the issue?

Why bother with Human Rights and the Nuremberg code?

Because human rights law says the prohibited grounds for discrimination are as follows:

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 race, national or ethnic origin, colour, religion, age, sex, sexual orientation, gender identity or expression, marital status, family status, genetic characteristics, disability and conviction for an offence for which a pardon has been granted or in respect of which a record suspension has been ordered.

https://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/acts/h-6/section-3.html

Nothing in there about vax status. Are you looking to extend human rights legislation even further? I thought you guys thought it went too far already!

[myata]

Before the heated discussion continues, can it be asked: why? Like what would it do, and does?

In the first phase of the pandemic, without masks and vaccines there were few if any reports of outbreaks in grocery stores. Did masks and vaccinations remove capacity limits? Does vaccination prevent infection and transmission?

Can questions still be asked here?

This is becoming a country of scared and complacent people and as the history shows, it's rarely a good combination in the times of crisis. Expect a sincere apology - in some decades.

Edited December 5, 2021 by myata

[suds]

4 minutes ago, myata said:

Before the heated discussion continues, can it be asked: why? Like what would it do, and does?

In the first phase of the pandemic, without masks and vaccines there were few if any reports of outbreaks in grocery stores? Did masks and vaccinations remove capacity limits? Does vaccination prevent infection and transmission?

Can questions still be asked here?

This is becoming a country of scared and complacent people and as the history shows, it's rarely a good combination in the times of crisis. Expect a sincere apology in some decades.

We know the new variable is the most transmissible yet.  Until we know more i find the implementation of the 'lowest level of restrictions' a prudent thing to do in such case. That's really all i can say at the moment.

[myata]

Just now, suds said:

We know the new variable is the most transmissible yet. 

The government can impose arbitrary, not supported by any evidence decisions just because it sees "a new variable"? You know what this is called, surely? Congrats - you have arrived.

No don't count me in. You can impose, applaud and cheer - but you'll never get a willing and voluntary compliance from me. And if history is any lesson, I wouldn't expect great news for you either. Fear, blind compliance and scapegoat marching has little to do with reason. And in this reality, reason and intelligence produce good results, not shaman dances around the fire.

[suds]

18 minutes ago, myata said:

The government can impose arbitrary, not supported by any evidence decisions just because it sees "a new variable"? You know what this is called, surely? Congrats - you have arrived.

No don't count me in. You can impose, applaud and cheer - but you'll never get a willing and voluntary compliance from me. And if history is any lesson, I wouldn't expect great news for you either. Fear, blind compliance and scapegoat marching has little to do with reason. And in this reality, reason and intelligence produce good results, not shaman dances around the fire.

South African reports indicate that hospital admissions have risen for all age groups during this 4th wave but are disproportionately high for those under 5.  They believe the omicron variant may be evolving to target young children.  While it's true that South Africans are not as well vaccinated as Canadians,  are all of our children vaccinated yet?  Is this not enough evidence for a cause of concern?

[myata]

11 minutes ago, suds said:

 Is this not enough evidence for a cause of concern?

You are not answering anything. Something rising somewhere and indications of something, or thinking that it may be indicating something by some calling themselves experts is not a valid reason to impose arbitrary authoritarian restrictions on the society. In my opinion there are very few of such reasons if any at all. If sane society kept governments in check and to the reason, none of great tragedies of the last, and this century so far would have happened.

Edited December 5, 2021 by myata

[suds]

11 minutes ago, myata said:

You are not answering anything. Something rising somewhere and indications of something, or thinking that it may be indicating something by some calling themselves experts is not a valid reason to impose arbitrary authoritarian restrictions on the society. In my opinion there are very few of such reasons if any at all. If sane society kept governments in check and to the reason, none of great tragedies of the last, and this century so far would have happened.

If it's references you want they are from South Africa's medical advisor Waasila Jassat.

[myata]

28 minutes ago, suds said:

If it's references

No, references to an advisor are still not a sufficient reason for arbitrary, authoritarian restrictions.

Edited December 5, 2021 by myata

[Queenmandy85]

What is the difficulty in getting vaccinated? Save yourself from all the agro and possibly dying and get vaccinated. It is easy, almost painless and it works. It sure beats the alternative. 

3 hours ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

Says the guy asking Mommy government

Why do you hate your country?  ?

Edited December 5, 2021 by Queenmandy85

[Army Guy]

 

4 hours ago, Aristides said:

We had those restrictions before vaccines. The unvaccinated shouldn't be upset if we are seeing them again. They are the reason why.

 

 

Edited December 5, 2021 by Army Guy

[myata]

What is the fraction of non vaccinated in the province, has anyone checked the latest numbers, just out of curiosity? Note that it includes a) those with medical exceptions and b) those recovered from Covid who according to all available evidence have the same if not superior immunity to that acquired from vaccine. How serious or credible is that pseudo-argument (because lacking substance and evidence) that "they are the reason"?

If this is not scapegoating in the best traditions of Dark Ages, what is? And if it isn't both pointless by any rational reason and shameful in this century, what is?

[Aristides]

4 hours ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

If you refuse someone for work or for groceries because of his race, religion, is it ok? Because that person who is discriminated can work elsewhere or order online and it would protect the boss or merchant rights. So what is the issue?

Why bother with Human Rights and the Nuremberg code?

You don't choose your race and religion isn't contagious.