Pandemic will likely get worse in the fall and winter but no more lockdowns.

[myata]

On the subject of information vs. propaganda: try to find this news reported in all main world news services today in Canada. Question: should we believe our eyes or what we're told and should we be worried and troubled, really? Over this development (put it in the perspective of potential future events of climate change and overpopulation) we have lost, possibly irreversibly:

1. Accountability and independent oversight of critical decisions with impact on the entire society.

2. Independent judicial oversight, where judges dole out fines and sentences but the policies themselves cannot be challenge.

3. And now, media independence.

How much is too much, and is it still ahead of us or done deal already?

Edited August 30, 2021 by myata

[myata]

Like why would one even need conspiracy theories if it's right in the plain sight? Can you explain this, please try.

[Zeitgeist]

There’s no need to speculate or weigh unprovable theories.  The available data tell us that the fully vaccinated are very protected and the vaccine-ineligible face flu-level risk from Covid-19, which means that restrictions are being continued to protect unvaccinated vaccine-eligible people who have freely chosen to take their chances.  We don’t keep restrictions in place just in case a new variant arises.  That’s absurd.

Most of our vaccine-eligible population have been vaccinated (almost 75% fully and over 80% partly).   We’ll have 85% of the vaccine eligible population fully vaccinated within the next two months.  Our cases may rise without restrictions over the next two months, but they’ll level off as the percentage of vaccinated people rises.  Basically we need a firm end date for all mandatory restrictions within the next two months. If governments want to make that coincide with a deadline for first-dose vaccine mandates to be on the safe side, they can do this.  Personally I think all mandatory restrictions should be lifted immediately and every day that they continue we are unnecessarily hurting individuals and businesses, but the fear-mongers, paranoid, and fascistic are very vocal and driving much of our pandemic policy right now.

Edited August 30, 2021 by Zeitgeist

[myata]

This can be serious stuff though, controlled media however it happens, not some fringe conspiracies. And we don't have any due process for these decisions with independent review and oversight. And the judiciary has washed its hands. Should someone be worried about the future of this democracy, or we're way past this point already?

[Zeitgeist]

21 minutes ago, myata said:

This can be serious stuff though, controlled media however it happens, not some fringe conspiracies. And we don't have any due process for these decisions with independent review and oversight. And the judiciary has washed its hands. Should someone be worried about the future of this democracy, or we're way past this point already?

We should be worried because the pressure to increase controls over social behaviour is real.  

[taxme]

23 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

The option with a brain would be to make vaccines mandatory for everyone and ban the unvaccinated from leaving home. New infections will be reduced by 90% and hospitalizations will be reduced even more. But we don't have people in authority with enough balls to exercise such options.

You are one dangerous communist buffoon without a brain. You are the one that needs to be forced to stay at home. No doubt you have taken both jabs and you are still out there walking around and trying to spread the covid virus to people like me, the non vaccinated. Have you not heard recently that the fools who took the jab are still getting covid and can still spread the virus? Stay home so I can feel much safer being outdoors. 

So, once again I say stay home for the safety of others. You can now get your groceries delivered to your door. So, enjoy your own personal lock down. You really need to start thinking about others and not just yourself. LOL.

[taxme]

14 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I don’t admire China’s handling of the virus.   What you don’t seem to appreciate is that if we can’t reduce the threat of the virus with vaccination, which we are doing, then the decision we have to make as a society is whether to live under permanent restrictions with some cases and deaths or without restrictions and a higher rate of hospitalizations and deaths.   Well permanent restrictions make no sense with such a rapid fall in the ratio of deaths to cases.  It certainly makes no sense as the vast majority of people are protected from serious illness because of vaccination or immunity through viral spread.   The ineligible young are at safe levels of death and hospitalization.

Any imposition of restrictions going forward is feeding fear and government overreach.  It’s unacceptable.

There really is no threat from this covid virus one bit. No one has ever been able to show or isolate this virus. All we have been shown is a picture of some supposedly covid virus drawn on a piece of paper. It's not and never has been about a virus. It's all baout pushing vaccines so big pharma can make plenty of money at peoples expense. 

It has always been about promoting an experimental gene therapy vaccine which has tiny little spike proteins in the vaccine. And apparently, from what I have read, these spike proteins will start to build up on the walls of the blood vessels after awhile which will then start to restrict the flow of blood in the body, and will start to create blood clots and shortness of breath. Those that took this dangerous vaccine should go have what is called a D-timer test for blood clots. It may save your life for now. Just saying. ?

[CITIZEN_2015]

The madman spoken again. Ask those over 25000 Canadians dead if there is a threat of covid virus or their surviving families or better ask the over 5 million dead worldwide.

[taxme]

16 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

The madman spoken again. Ask those over 25000 Canadians dead if there is a threat of covid virus or their surviving families or better ask the over 5 million dead worldwide.

Cuckoo-cuckoo. You have no idea as to how many people have really died from covid. All you go by is what those liars in the MSM media tells you. You do not know anything, cuckoo bird. And who in the right mind today still believes what the MSM says anymore. Only madman like you do. Cuckoo-cuckoo. ?

[Charles Anthony]

Folks, 

Please avoid insults and personal attacks. 

[OftenWrong]

5 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Ask those over 25000 Canadians dead if there is a threat of covid virus

You mean the 90 year olds in long-term care whom our governments neglected?

I wish we could make them live forever but it seems impossible. 

At least we will sleep better if we knew they never.died from Covid. Just outta cancer, so,,

[CITIZEN_2015]

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

You mean the 90 year olds in long-term care whom our governments neglected?

I wish we could make them live forever but it seems impossible. 

At least we will sleep better if we knew they never.died from Covid. Just outta cancer, so,,

It goes to the heart of your credibility when you make such public statements claiming all those who died of covid were 90 year olds!!!!

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1228632/number-covid-deaths-canada-by-age/

Edited August 31, 2021 by CITIZEN_2015

[Winston]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

It goes to the heart of your credibility when you make such public statements claiming all those who died of covid were 90 year olds!!!!

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1228632/number-covid-deaths-canada-by-age/

The link that has no raw data, why? 

How was it determined they died "from covid" or died "due to covid"? 

There may also be errors in the number of deaths If PCR testing method was used. 

I am not convinced the number of deaths is accurate. 

 

[Zeitgeist]

2 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

It goes to the heart of your credibility when you make such public statements claiming all those who died of covid were 90 year olds!!!!

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1228632/number-covid-deaths-canada-by-age/

Well, 22000 out of 26000 were over 70, which is almost 85% of all Covid deaths in Canada.  Thankfully those age groups have the highest vaccine uptake.  

[OftenWrong]

7 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

It goes to the heart of your credibility when you make such public statements claiming all those who died of covid were 90 year olds!!!!

Yes, majority of those who died were old or already iill and vulnerable. Of that fact there is no question, but it is still no excuse.

It speaks to the governments credibility that they did nothing  about it. Rather, they shut down the health care facilities for everyone else.

[myata]

38 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

It speaks to the governments credibility that they did nothing  about it. Rather, they shut down the health care facilities for everyone else.

Well, there are two different directions: hard work, in the actual high risk environments coming up with, testing and rapidly implementing effective solutions that save real lives; or sitting on a bum in a comfy office, salaries, Covid-19 trainings, working from home bonuses, pension plans etc yada all rolling in as nothing happened and writing policies on masking and dancing protocols maybe something would work or if not the propaganda will make it look as though they do (all time records in waves 2 and 3, with full masking in place). Which one would you choose?

And not a tiniest stretch by any logic, when you walk in a restaurant, mask on, make the order, ditto, then take it off for two, three hours, etc but!!! put it back on! for 5 min going to a restroom. There you go, all protected.

What is it if not a performance, std and useless Covid-dance? Who was paid for creating, it instead of something that's actually useful and works? Who has checked whether it's doing anything? And the entire strategy" may be like that, along the same lines of logic and effectiveness.

[OftenWrong]

23 minutes ago, myata said:

Well, there are two different directions: hard work, in the actual high risk environments coming up with, testing and rapidly implementing effective solutions that save real lives; or sitting on a bum in a comfy office, salaries, Covid-19 trainings, working from home bonuses, pension plans etc yada all rolling in as nothing happened and writing policies on masking and dancing protocols maybe something would work or if not the propaganda will make it look as though they do (all time records in waves 2 and 3, with full masking in place). Which one would you choose?

I'm waiting for a clear government policy on when I can hug my mom. Mr. Trudeau will advise us.

 

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What is it if not a performance, std and useless Covid-dance?

The dance of the mad.

 

[myata]

Another brilliant achievement of the Covid-scare: US issues travel advisory for Canada. Several European countries have Canada in the orange category with mandatory quarantines. What you get for all the vaccination effort.

What, all those scary news, pumping-drumming coming, scary wave is coming, yes it's coming! and someone at last noticed? No, no sorry, it was meant only for Joe, he and her always listens to the drumming but look here, the numbers! Too bad that there are still some who read the news for information. Quickly, turn on same experts' only with a different muzak, all is nice and safe in Canada!

Just like cry wolf in the fairy tale, sure, sounds like a strategy.

[Argus]

On 8/26/2021 at 4:54 PM, Infidel Dog said:

And you guys still haven't explained the plummeting of death cases since Florida started using the antibody treatment.

 

I think we now know.

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/coronavirus/article253796898.html

[CITIZEN_2015]

14 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Yes, majority of those who died were old or already iill and vulnerable. Of that fact there is no question, but it is still no excuse.

It speaks to the governments credibility that they did nothing  about it. Rather, they shut down the health care facilities for everyone else.

The governments couldn't just let them die because they were old. They used to be young some day those who built Canada now let them die? They were someone's mothers and fathers and grandmothers and grandfathers. The answer to that is more health care. A private health care system alongside public one that none of the parties talk about because they don't have balls.

Edited September 1, 2021 by CITIZEN_2015

[OftenWrong]

9 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

The governments couldn't just let them die because they were old. They used to be young some day those who built Canada now let them die? They were someone's mothers and fathers and grandmothers and grandfathers. The answer to that is more health care. A private health care system alongside public one that none of the parties talk about because they don't have balls.

But the government did let the elderly die, in long-term care facilities despite outcry from public groups. The Canadian Association of Retired Persons put many advertisements on the radio telling us what was going on in those places. Not the news, not the government. They try to cover it up.

The government is lying and making people who care about these things believe there is no  other choice. Look, even you had a better idea about private care than our federal and provincial leadership.

[myata]

And so, public safety or slightly disguised coercion into an ideological dogma? We do not have to guess any longer because there's a simple, binary, yes or no definitive test: whether a proof of recovery is a grounds for the passport or not. Really, science tells us that there's strong immunity resulting from recovery for a considerable time. It is confirmed by the policies virtually everywhere worldwide, where record of vaccination is equivalent to that of recovery for travel and other activities. EU digital Covid certificate recognizes the two as equivalent. There's no reason, scientific or practical, to not do that if it was all about safety. But what if it was not?

Looks like in Ontario at least, experts chose the latter. "After in depth discussions with our medical experts..."

"The province warned that proof of a negative COVID-19 test or a recent infection would not replace the vaccine certificates."

And there's no definite time limit on the policy, leaving it open-ended: "This is a temporary tool that we won't use any longer than we have to but ..."

Look I just borrow from you but won't hold it any longer than have to but. Are you rushing to the bank?

No expert so far has stood up and bothered to explain why the difference and how it's justified. By default and silent assumption, one has to accept that the explanation may not exist. No, honest overlooking, like oops sorry forgot would be stretching the credibility of even the most gullible of us way too far. And that's pretty much all that can be known on the matter so there's a definitive answer and the question can now be closed.

If interested please check the other provinces. I'm curious.

Edited September 1, 2021 by myata

[CITIZEN_2015]

It is getting bad. Hospitalizations and deaths are no longer limited to small number.

Ontario reported 865 new COVID-19 cases and 14 deaths on Thursday, the highest count of cases seen since early June, with the greatest number of infections among unvaccinated people since the province started keeping track earlier this summer.

https://www.cp24.com/news/ontario-reports-multi-month-high-of-nearly-900-covid-19-cases-14-more-deaths-1.5570833

[Winston]

34 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

It is getting bad. Hospitalizations and deaths are no longer limited to small number.

Ontario reported 865 new COVID-19 cases and 14 deaths on Thursday, the highest count of cases seen since early June, with the greatest number of infections among unvaccinated people since the province started keeping track earlier this summer.

https://www.cp24.com/news/ontario-reports-multi-month-high-of-nearly-900-covid-19-cases-14-more-deaths-1.5570833

Do we know why cases have increased? 

How many people were tested in last week vs this week? ie did testing increase? 

 

[CITIZEN_2015]

5 minutes ago, Winston said:

Do we know why cases have increased? 

How many people were tested in last week vs this week? ie did testing increase? 

 

I believe number of test cases has been same between 20,000 on a weekend to 30,000 on a busy day like yesterday usually mid to end of the week. 

It is the damn Delta variant. Same reason as any other vaccinated country with a surging new cases.