Trudeau is going to lose.

WestCanMan · July 21, 2021

On 7/19/2021 at 10:38 AM, PIK said:

The Star of all papers ripped him a new one. That photo op over the grave with the teddy bear has stepped over the line. People, Especially natives are furious.

I think he misread his audience. Natives didn't survive 20,000 years in the frozen north because of their ability to suck up propaganda. Their culture expects them to be practical, tough people.

White liberals are dumb enough to gobble up endless idiotic virtue signalling because they don't have a gag reflex, just like the gay community did after the Pulse nightclub shooting, but for natives this isn't just a photo op. The fact that Trudeau reduced it to that was disgusting, and I'm glad that the truth finally busted out.

WestCanMan · July 21, 2021

5 hours ago, Argus said:

I see no enthusiasm for Trudeau and his party even on forums which tilt leftward. The Conservatives could take this if they craft a strong, appealing message and can put it out there. Do I have confidence they'll do that? Unfortunately, no.

I just don't see O'Toole as the guy to do this. He's almost as much of an apologist as Trudeau is.

I wish that Dr Lewis had won the nomination, because she doesn't knuckle under to idiotic virtue signallers, but she's just as lacking in charisma as Harper was.

I think that the left has all the actors.

WestCanMan · July 21, 2021

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Well, leftists have at least two other parties to vote for, but they have weak leaders.

The NDP and Greens both go for a fringe group of voters.

Surprisingly, Canadian voters didn't go for either of the terrorist supporters who led them in the last election.

The Green party should have just folded after their abject failure in the last election, when green issues were at the top of the voters' priority list.

WestCanMan · July 21, 2021

1 hour ago, PIK said:

A good debater will flatten trudeau.

You know the drill.

Trudeau will be able to lie, go on at length about questions that weren't asked of him while completely dodging what he was asked, the topics will favour his idiotic agenda, and he can interrupt everyone else at will and the moderator won't say a word. God forbid anyone else tries to talk over the village idiot though.

The debates will play out exactly like a CTV 'newscast'.

PIK · July 21, 2021

Well they did hire the outfit that got Boris elected. Lol . So they gloves maybe coming off. There is so much to work with. Just need the proper people putting it together. And forcing a election at this will not go over well. IMO.

mowich · July 21, 2021

On 7/19/2021 at 12:45 PM, Michael Hardner said:

I guess you are saying that the Conservatives, NDP and Greens will never nominate a good candidate ?

My response is: maybe you are right.

Leslyn Lewis is one conservative candidate I would vote for were she in my constituency. I also believe that had she won the party leadership Conservatives would have had a much better chance in the coming election.

Argus · July 21, 2021

16 hours ago, PIK said:

Hard with covid. They must be strong once the election starts. This is where debates could really matter. A good debater will flatten trudeau.

Once the election starts the Liberals will come out with some research on the social media postings of a couple of Tory candidates and brandish it aloft to demonstrate the party is racist and the Tories will immediately be on the defensive, cower and fire the candidates, and grovel in apology. The story will be Tory intolerance for the next week.

Argus · July 21, 2021

43 minutes ago, mowich said:

Leslyn Lewis is one conservative candidate I would vote for were she in my constituency. I also believe that had she won the party leadership Conservatives would have had a much better chance in the coming election.

She has zero French. A black unilingual woman would instantly lose all the Tories' Quebec seats. This is the reality we face. Now a really charismatic, capable leader who was unilingual might be able to draw in more seats elsewhere to replace those in Quebec, but I didn't see anything of her which indicated she was a particularly good speaker. And of course she has no political experience at all. It would be hard for a lot of people to see her jumping immediately into politics and becoming PM.

Now if you're speaking about simply voting her in as MP I agree she merits strong consideration and is running in Haldimad-norfolk.

Edited July 21, 2021 by Argus

WestCanMan · July 21, 2021

5 hours ago, Argus said:

Once the election starts the Liberals will come out with some research on the social media postings of a couple of Tory candidates and brandish it aloft to demonstrate the party is racist and the Tories will immediately be on the defensive, cower and fire the candidates, and grovel in apology. The story will be Tory intolerance for the next week.

Or "this guy received a $75 donation from the leader of The Group That No One Has Ever Heard Of"... OMG! What a racist!

PIK · August 17, 2021

Couple missteps out of the gate. Get that out of the way early. Lol. Still think it. A lib minority is a win imo. Trudeau will have to go, and maybe everyone else. Putting out the whole plan at once, good move. No sneakiness about it. And Trudeau is more annoying then ever.

Edited August 17, 2021 by PIK

CITIZEN_2015 · August 17, 2021

Trudeau will win the election. The question is a majority or a minority.

Argus · August 17, 2021

On 7/19/2021 at 11:33 AM, PIK said:

Made that decision today.

Care to tell me what lottery numbers you've decided on for next Saturday's 649 draw?

-TSS- · August 17, 2021

If he had kept his promise of introducing a PR voting system he would already have lost last election when losing the overall popular vote.

taxme · August 17, 2021

On 7/19/2021 at 8:56 AM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Dream on.

https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/poll-tracker/canada/

I do not trust polls anymore. They can be manipulated to make it appear as though a certain party is in the lead. The only polls that I will be watching for is the one on election day. There you will have your poll.

On 7/19/2021 at 1:50 PM, Argus said:

The Conservatives have a problem in finding quality bilingual candidates. Their centre of support is out west and in rural Ontario. Every time the leadership becomes vacant they are left to choose among a handful of barely capable people with barely capable French. This is not an issue for the Liberals, of course, for their centre of support is Quebec and urban Ontario. The Tories surely had better people available than O'Toole and Scheer and Day - or even the introvert Harper. But they had to pick from the only bilingual ones available. Even their French MPs are generally from the Quebec city region and few have really good English to make themselves strong options.

Screw Quebec. Quebec is not a part of Canada anymore. They will mostly only vote for french separatists anyway. The liberal conservatives should be concentrating and spending their money in the rest of English Canada. Quebec is just a waste of time, effort and money. Something tells me that O'Tool will not do what needs to be done. O'Tool will no doubt keep on kissing Quebec's asshole.

If the conservatives would like to win this election, then all they have to do is tell we the people that if elected they will cut taxes, get rid of the GST, cut big government, and give Canadians back the freedoms that they have lost due to this phony covid plandemic, and hopefully they will keep those promises. We the people want less government, not more government.

I will be voting for a real and true conservative party called the People's Party of Canada. The PPC party is the only conservative party that is left that does not believe in liberalism, socialism and communism unlike the other political party's that do believe in those ism's, The liberal conservative party seems to always want to go along with those ism's mentioned. Canada will never go anywhere if they keep voting for loser party's that appear to not really give all that much of a dam about Canada or Canadians.

But hey, if you want more of Fidel Trudeau and his communist policies then just vote for anyone but the PPC party. Then stop your whining and crying forever about what any of those other political party's do to you. You will have deserved whatever you get from them because of your stupidity by voting for them again. This will only just prove my point that what I have been saying here forever that the majority of f'n Canadians are f'n bloody stupid. Just saying, stupid. Lol.

taxme · August 17, 2021

16 hours ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Trudeau will win the election. The question is a majority or a minority.

Of course you do believe and hope that comrade Fidel Trudeau will win. You are a communist and you believe and love your dear hero comrade leader Fidel, right comrade? Lucky for you if Fidel does win. Canada loses and then goes communism. Whoop-de-doggie-doo or poo.

If comrade Fidel does win the election, this will just show and prove to me as to what I have been saying all along, and that is that the majority of Canadians are nothing more than a bunch of stupid dumb shits, and are all in favor of communism for Canada. What else can ones conclusions come too? Just saying. ?

taxme · August 17, 2021

On 7/19/2021 at 8:33 AM, PIK said:

Made that decision today.

I say that Fidel Trudeau will be rigging the election in his favor. Communist are like that, don't you know. They hate to lose and love to cheat. If that buffoon wins the next election then I will know that the election was rigged. There should be no way that this communist nitwit should ever win this election with all of the crimes that he has committed against Canada and Canadians. Just saying.

CITIZEN_2015 · August 17, 2021

24 minutes ago, taxme said:

Of course you do believe and hope that comrade Fidel Trudeau will win. You are a communist and you believe and love your dear hero comrade leader Fidel, right comrade? Lucky for you if Fidel does win. Canada loses and then goes communism. Whoop-de-doggie-doo or poo.

If comrade Fidel does win the election, this will just show and prove to me as to what I have been saying all along, and that is that the majority of Canadians are nothing more than a bunch of stupid dumb shits, and are all in favor of communism for Canada. What else can ones conclusions come too? Just saying. ?

You are indeed a mad man. I won't even bother to reply to your nonsense.

betsy · August 18, 2021

The cards don't look good for Trudeau - if we go by what just happened in Nova Scotia!

Edited August 18, 2021 by betsy

BeaverFever · August 18, 2021

All the political right has to offer:

1) A continuation of the austerity measures of the past 40 years that have destroyed the working and middle classes for the benefit of corporations and billionaires.

2) Amped-up American-style culture wars and fake controversies

3) Climate change denial and pandering to the dying fossil fuel industry

Voters aren’t interested in any of these things and will gladly take Trudeau’s various personal foibles, gaffes and mini-scandals instead.

Michael Hardner · August 18, 2021

O'Toole's policy paper seems pretty red Toryish. It will make it harder for the Liberals to demonize him.

Michael Hardner · August 18, 2021

Just now, BeaverFever said:

1. All the political right has to offer:

2.Voters aren’t interested in any of these things and will gladly take Trudeau’s various personal foibles, gaffes and mini-scandals instead.

1. Have you read the policy proposals? Stronger unions are in there - did you know?

2. It's more than that at play: the cynicism of the election call has not yet surfaced.

BeaverFever · August 18, 2021

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Have you read the policy proposals? Stronger unions are in there - did you know?

2. It's more than that at play: the cynicism of the election call has not yet surfaced.

Yea I read the union support in the press coverage but I believe it’s a smokescreen from a party that has been unapologetically anti-union since it’s founding and O’Toole himself has supported anti-union bills in the past.

From what I can tell this is not so much “support” for unions as much as it is publicly acknowledging unions’ right to exist and calling for a ceasefire in the conservatives’ endless war against organized labour. This is not expected to play well with the conservative pro-business, anti-labour base and can’t magically undo over a century of conservative rhetoric equating unions with Marx,Mao, Lenin and Stalin.

Edited August 18, 2021 by BeaverFever

Michael Hardner · August 18, 2021

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

Yea I read the union support in the press coverage but I believe it’s a smokescreen from a party that has been unapologetically anti-union since it’s founding

Ok, so I guess you don't need to read policies then anyway, since you think things don't change.

In any case, this point of yours seems deprecated: "Amped-up American-style culture wars "

CITIZEN_2015 · August 18, 2021

3 hours ago, betsy said:

The cards don't look good for Trudeau - if we go by what just happened in Nova Scotia!

Provincial politics don't usually reflect Federal politics. The east coast has been Federally Liberal for a long time and will stay that way.

Edited August 18, 2021 by CITIZEN_2015

BeaverFever · August 18, 2021

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ok, so I guess you don't need to read policies then anyway, since you think things don't change.

In any case, this point of yours seems deprecated: "Amped-up American-style culture wars "

Things don’t magically change 180 degrees overnight after decades of being the exact opposite just because one person makes vague promises of change that a significant number of his followers oppose.

I’m not saying o’toole is going to champion the culture wars but those right wing pundits as well as factions within the CPC who are have already been pushing that agenda in the media and public dialogue aren’t going to magically disappear and they will have to be placated from time to time to shore up the conservative base.