Should we all be required to swear an oath to the Queen of Canada before voting?

[cougar]

15 hours ago, Army Guy said:

... you should think twice before going down with a ship filled with ungrateful people and government who may or may not be worth the sacrifice... Don't get me wrong i would give my life up in a flash if my comrades in arms asked for it for them i would serve once more, ...

Good post, except you should not be giving your life for your comrades either.  You may like them and they may like you and be exactly like you, but they will not ask for your life.   You will be giving your life away not for them.   You will give it to make some fat capitalist richer.

[Yzermandius19]

18 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said:

Mutually beneficial trade agreements are a good thing though aren't they?

indeed

and "Canada" gets in the way of the provinces making such trade agreements

womp womp

[Yzermandius19]

7 minutes ago, cougar said:

Good post, except you should not be giving your life for your comrades either.  You may like them and they may like you and be exactly like you, but they will not ask for your life.   You will be giving your life away not for them.   You will give it to make some fat capitalist richer.

the Canadian Forces doesn't make fat capitalists any richer

if it did they wouldn't be gutting the military funding

as that would hurt their profits

the arms dealers get rich selling military equipment to real militaries

not Canada

Edited June 17, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

and yet millennials still cling to confederation

thinking it gets them ahead

instead of holding them back

self sabotage 9000

what can they do ?

they are damned if they do, damned if they don't

this is why Woke is such a black hole, it's the politics of despair

they are just lashing out in a rage, because they know they are never going to get ahead

at least if they are Woke, they have a community of despair which they can associate within

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

what can they do ?

they are damned if they do, damned if they don't

this is why Woke is such a black hole, it's the politics of despair

they are just lashing out in a rage, because they know they are never going to get ahead

at least if they are Woke, they have a community of despair which they can associate within

well the woke millennials who support confederation

will actually be the very ones who tear it down in a woke outrage mob

they'll just have no clue they are doing it, and will lament it's downfall

they'll destroy a lot of other things in the process

but at least they'll take confederation with it

lulz

Edited June 17, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

well the woke millennials who support confederation

will actually be the very ones who tear it down in a woke outrage mob

they'll just have no clue they are doing it, and will lament it's downfall

lulz

it's only going to get worse

because the economy is a Ponzi scheme

it's all being kicked down the road, but the piper will have to be paid in the not too distant future

the Millenials and their children are the ones who will get stuck holding the bag

us wealthy OWG's won't be even around anymore to hate on, sayonara, suckers

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

it's only going to get worse

because the economy is a Ponzi scheme

it's all being kicked down the road, but the piper will have to be paid in the not too distant future

the Millenials and their children are the ones who will get stuck holding the bag

us wealthy OWG's won't be even around anymore to hate on, sayonara, suckers

it's going to get so much worse

that Confederation won't be able to weather the storm

not a bad silver lining

I'll take what I can get

#byecanada

Edited June 17, 2021 by Yzermandius19

[Army Guy]

5 minutes ago, cougar said:

Good post, except you should not be giving your life for your comrades either.  You may like them and they may like you and be exactly like you, but they will not ask for your life.   You will be giving your life away not for them.   You will give it to make some fat capitalist richer.

I don't think you understand completely, most of my comrades in arms have been in combat with me, multiply times, over the years, we did not just share a meal or a movie, we experience life, their ups and downs, death, extreme violence, losses of brothers and sisters,  i don't like them, I love them, they are my brothers, my sisters, we share a bond that is like no other. If one of them called me for help today i would drop everything to answer that call regardless of what it was about... it's a bond similar to one you would have if you came from a close family. They would not ask me for my life, as i would not ask them for theirs  i would be willing to give it to them if it meant saving one of them. like most parents would do for a child or family member. I know that is hard to understand, and it has nothing to do with some fat cat getting richer, or some wing nut in the federal government... it has everything to do with protecting my brothers and sisters.

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

it's going to get so much worse

that Confederation won't be able to weather the storm

not a bad silver lining

I'll take what I can get

#byecanada

perhaps I should build a statue of myself, so you Millennials can tear it down after I'm gone

have at it, knock yourselves out, burn me in effigy

happy to be #notorious

 

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

I don't think you understand completely, most of my comrades in arms have been in combat with me, multiply times, over the years, we did not just share a meal or a movie, we experience life, their ups and downs, death, extreme violence, losses of brothers and sisters,  i don't like them, I love them, they are my brothers, my sisters, we share a bond that is like no other. If one of them called me for help today i would drop everything to answer that call regardless of what it was about... it's a bond similar to one you would have if you came from a close family. They would not ask me for my life, as i would not ask them for theirs  i would be willing to give it to them if it meant saving one of them. like most parents would do for a child or family member. I know that is hard to understand, and it has nothing to do with some fat cat getting richer, or some wing nut in the federal government... it has everything to do with protecting my brothers and sisters.

it was an honour & privilege

to be just another face in the ranks of the thin red line

most will never have the chance to be part of something like that, to be bonded for life by crucible

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
    That mark our place; and in the sky
    The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
    Loved and were loved, and now we lie
        In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe: 
To you from failing hands we throw
    The torch; be yours to hold it high. 
    If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
        In Flanders fields.

[Zeitgeist]

There are many great attributes to Canada.  Many of our national infrastructure projects, such as the Trans Canada Highway, the first cross-country railway (CPR), the St. Lawrence Seaway, or Confederation Bridge wouldn't be easy without Confederation.

If we're trying to diversify trade away from being dependent on the US market, then having a national government that tries to find common purpose and eliminate infrastructure/trade barriers by overseeing interprovincial projects (and taking away provincial vetoes) is important.

Canada is a safer and more harmonious society, generally, than the US.

Canada is more communitarian or socially-focused and less individualistic than the US.

Multiculturalism allows a variety of cultures to flourish and prevents one ethnic group from dominating, as sometimes happens with Quebecois nationalism.  There are upsides and downsides to this, as this new Canada has unsettled traditionally dominant groups such as the French and English, and it's uncertain how this will play out in altering traditions and values going forward.  It can slide into "Post-national State," bereft of history and susceptible to nihilism and totalitarianism in my opinion.  We do see the current federal Liberals' vulnerability here, as they try to be all things to all people and sometimes appear to stand for nothing.

I do think that Pierre Trudeau, for all his faults weakening Canada's military and sowing some of the seeds of the conflict between new and old Canada, was trying to forge a very distinct Canadian identity that is not just English, French, American, or Indigenous.  PET was building on L.B. Pearson's peacekeeping legacy and the very modern cosmopolitan values of a late 60's Canada that was coming into its own around the time of the Centennial and Expo '67.  This was also the time of McLuhan, Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, Robbie Robertson, Lennon and Yoko bed love-ins in Montreal, Maggie serenading Castro and dating Mick Jagger, and the strong-arm martial stance against the FLQ.  PET flexed his patrician nationalist muscle in the face of Presidents Johnson and Nixon and pushed for the Canada Act and Charter in 1982.  

PET would not tolerate threats to Canada, which asserted herself with strength and flair globally at that time.  We're still riding that wave.  However, Pierre was a pacifist who substantially drew down the strength of Canada's military.  It all sounds very progressive and cool, in the age of Vietnam and the draft dodge.  He certainly understood media and the Information Age.  The problem is that as all of this was happening rhetorically on stage, in reality Canada was beginning to squander the strength she had demonstrated in the World Wars, first in places like Vimy and the Somme, later in her massive armament production and liberation of Holland.  

Canada's diminution of hard power coincided with the signing of NAFTA and greater integration with and trade dependence on the US.  It has made Canada more dependent economically and militarily on the US, which makes us vulnerable when a US administration doesn't see eye to eye with the Canadian government on major issues.

France long ago abandoned Quebec.  Dougie is right on that.  However, Britain is also hands-off, particularly after the Treaty of Westminster put Canada's government on equal footing with Britain as independent states in the 30's.  Canada stopped fighting wars for the British Empire, though she does fight wars for NATO.  

The Canada Act of 1982 reduced the Crown's role to one of symbolism and tradition, as the head of state for the signing of legislation resides in Canada now.  

Fake country?  Well, Canada does enjoy one of the highest standards of living and Human Development Index ratings in the world.  It's got a lot going for it, but it's true that the idea or rhetoric of Canada isn't matched by hard power or economic independence, though I'm not sure that could be changed or that it's desirable to substantially change that, as we couldn't match US military might and there are sensible, practical reasons why most of our exports go to the US.  We import roughly the same amount of goods and services from the US, but the US has a few Canada-like states within her own borders, at least economically.

The mistake that Trudeau Junior is making is that he pretends that Canada can make up for and reconcile all past injustices and do this on the backs of the current taxpaying population, most of whom immigrated to Canada over the past few generations.  It's an unreasonable demand that makes Canadians feel badly about who they are and that only leads to demands for even more apologies and reparations.  He should know that there is a segment of the population that relies on government handouts yet bites the hand that feeds it.  It's better to acknowledge the past colonial biases, recognize the good contributions of these founding powers, and integrate new ideas without damning the country.  Junior can't contain the forces he unleased and it will be for future governments to stand up for Canada against any one group or special interest.  

Edited June 17, 2021 by Zeitgeist

[Army Guy]

12 hours ago, Moonlight Graham said:

I appreciate the post.  I'm not a patriot because I do it for other Canadians, or this or any government, and I don't serve and defend it loyally for them, or anyone else.  I do it for my family, to honour their sacrifices, which have ripped my family into pieces over the many decades.  Otherwise everything they sacrificed was for nothing.  So as I said, i'm all in.

My grandfather was the toughest SOB I ever met in my life, and an upstanding person.  Honourable, and honest, and decent.  He wouldn't talk about the war, but I can only imagine what he went through.

I don't have the capacity to serve, I'm not as tough as him.  That job is for better men and women like you and others.  So I find other ways to defend my country.  Like on message boards lol.  But if we were invaded by Russia or China or whatever foreign army you can bet I'd grab a gun and kill every last one of the bastards I could that stepped foot on this soil and would keep fighting if I were the last man left.  They wouldn't take me alive.

But today's enemies aren't on the battlefield.  It's the snakes in the grass you don't see, and I'm out to expose them wherever I can.  Like those snakes working in the virus lab in Winnipeg.  Or the snakes in Parliament trading money for political favours.  Anyone who attempts to undermine this country is my enemy. 

Anyways, thanks again for your service.  The government may be filled with pieces of garbage that treat you and others like crap but I honour your service and sacrifices, and I'm not alone.  Cheers.

You don't need Canada to protect your family, or honor the sacrifices others in your family have made. you protect your family by looking after their security, their financial well being, educate them on those very morals and values you and your family cherish , teach them to do all of that for themselves, you don't need Canada for that, Honor their sacrifices by never forgetting, pass on their legacy to the next generation, so their story is never forgotten. that is the greatest thing you can do to honor them. You don't need Canada for that. 

It does not take a tough SOB to be in the military, the Military and life in general will teach you all of that, our military is made up from people all across the country, not all of them have risen to the standard you think we may have. I have seen leaders of men on their hands and knees crying like a baby, some because they were cowards in the face of the enemy, , others  because there brains have absorbed as much violence as it will allow. even the toughest bastards will eventually come to this point... War takes everything from you, including your sprite, and personality.

I'm not a hero, or anything special, i was a young Canadian that was full of piss and vinegar, one that had yet experienced how evil man can be, or how thoughtless everyone else could be. I really thought i could make a small difference in the world... yes i was naïve,  I'm not proud of everything i have done in my military career, What it has done is made me who i am today, not all of it is good, some of it is very ugly. But i am glad i made the choices i did. 

sorry for the rant, and thank you for your support

[Army Guy]

30 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

it was an honour & privilege

to be just another face in the ranks of the thin red line

most will never have the chance to be part of something like that, to be bonded for life by crucible

In Flanders fields the poppies blow
Between the crosses, row on row,
    That mark our place; and in the sky
    The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.

We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
    Loved and were loved, and now we lie
        In Flanders fields.

Take up our quarrel with the foe: 
To you from failing hands we throw
    The torch; be yours to hold it high. 
    If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
        In Flanders fields.

Amen Brother.

[Dougie93]

15 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Amen Brother.

it's the only Canada I ever knew

it's the only Canada that ever mattered

so these remain my solemn watch words

Take up our quarrel with the foe: 
To you from failing hands we throw
    The torch; be yours to hold it high. 
    If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
        In Flanders fields.

so you see, I cannot abide the government in Ottawa who would throw all that away, for a fake country that never existed

[Dougie93]

I mean, I was raised in downtown Toronto, to be a cosmopolitan globalist

not that it wasn't a cushy gig, Toronto was exciting and the party never stopped

but I didn't start to understand my own history, the story of my people, until I got to the RCR Battleschool

the RCR battleschool cured me of being a fake Canadian, made me into a real Canadian

but that's all gone now, the Canadian Forces have fallen to the Woke, it's not my army anymore, it's not my country anymore

 

[taxme]

On 6/15/2021 at 11:40 PM, Yzermandius19 said:

the likes of you calling me a snake

badge of honor

your ridiculous anti-freedom compelled speech being tied to the right to vote

that is openly supporting the Nazification of Canada

Fuck Canada and the Nazi's who demand people swear allegiance to a Fake Nation

The Crown would never demand citizens swear allegiance to Canada to vote or even serve in the military

The Crown doesn't even demand citizens swear allegiance to The Crown to vote either

The Crown does not support your totalitarian bullshit and never will

The Crown supports my right to be as anti-Canada as I want to be, as it should be

GSTQ

The old Canada died back in 1980 when Castro Trudeau won his election and the first words out of his comrade mouth were "welcome to the new Canada". So, just what the hell did that communist buffoon mean by saying those 5 words? 

As I said, Canada died in 1980 and the majority of our politicians of today are the least loyal bum welfare recipients to Canada. The old Canada is gone and has been replaced by a bunch of socialists/communist pro globalist political traitors. 

Swearing loyalty to Canada is a joke. I could be living in some communist country and be forced to swear loyalty to that communist country, but in reality I am totally being disloyal to that communist regime as I would be a true hater of communism. And just how would the commies know that I was being disloyal? They would not be able to know. Just saying. 

[taxme]

On 6/15/2021 at 2:39 PM, Moonlight Graham said:

I propose that before any Canadian citizen casts a vote during an election that they be required to recite an oath of allegiance to Canada and/or the Queen of Canada.

In the USA kids recite a pledge of allegiance.  We don't do such things in Canada (as far as I know).  If you're born in Canada, you don't have to have any loyalty to the country besides following the laws.  You can run off and fight for ISIS and return.  You can be a dual citizen and have your true loyalty with another country, and vote with those loyalties in your heart.  You can be a Quebecois nationalist born in Canada and want the destruction of Canada and never have to declare your loyalty to the country.  How about we separate the snakes who are disloyal citizens of convenience from the loyal Canadians.  We'd see how many oaths people refuse to take.  Even this proposal itself would cause uproar from the traitors.

Thoughts?

That will never work. I can make all the oaths that I am asked or forced to make but that does not mean that I am going to abide by those oaths. The Quebec french separatists in Ottawa have to take a loyalty to Canada and the Crown. But in reality they hate both Canada and the Crown. They laugh at those oaths to Canada and the Crown. Oaths to anything means nothing. No one is able to read another's person's mind or thoughts. 

If one takes an oath to a country that they live in but then spies on their own country for another country, then yes, one can be found to be a spy and traitor and lied about their oath to that country and then can be charged with a crime for lying about their loyalty to their country. This is the only time oaths can work. Just saying. 

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

There are many great attributes to Canada.  Many of our national infrastructure projects, such as the Trans Canada Highway, the first cross-country railway (CPR), the St. Lawrence Seaway, or Confederation Bridge wouldn't be easy without Confederation.

If we're trying to diversify trade away from being dependent on the US market, then having a national government that tries to find common purpose and eliminate infrastructure/trade barriers by overseeing interprovincial projects (and taking away provincial vetoes) is important.

Canada is a safer and more harmonious society, generally, than the US.

Canada is more communitarian or socially-focused and less individualistic than the US.

Multiculturalism allows a variety of cultures to flourish and prevents one ethnic group from dominating, as sometimes happens with Quebecois nationalism.  There are upsides and downsides to this, as this new Canada has unsettled traditionally dominant groups such as the French and English, and it's uncertain how this will play out in altering traditions and values going forward.  It can slide into "Post-national State," bereft of history and susceptible to nihilism and totalitarianism in my opinion.  We do see the current federal Liberals' vulnerability here, as they try to be all things to all people and sometimes appear to stand for nothing.

I do think that Pierre Trudeau, for all his faults weakening Canada's military and sowing some of the seeds of the conflict between new and old Canada, was trying to forge a very distinct Canadian identity that is not just English, French, American, or Indigenous.  PET was building on L.B. Pearson's peacekeeping legacy and the very modern cosmopolitan values of a late 60's Canada that was coming into its own around the time of the Centennial and Expo '67.  This was also the time of McLuhan, Joni Mitchell, Neil Young, Robbie Robertson, Lennon and Yoko bed love-ins in Montreal, Maggie serenading Castro and dating Mick Jagger, and the strong-arm martial stance against the FLQ.  PET flexed his patrician nationalist muscle in the face of Presidents Johnson and Nixon and pushed for the Canada Act and Charter in 1982.  

PET would not tolerate threats to Canada, which asserted herself with strength and flair globally at that time.  We're still riding that wave.  However, Pierre was a pacifist who substantially drew down the strength of Canada's military.  It all sounds very progressive and cool, in the age of Vietnam and the draft dodge.  He certainly understood media and the Information Age.  The problem is that as all of this was happening rhetorically on stage, in reality Canada was beginning to squander the strength she had demonstrated in the World Wars, first in places like Vimy and the Somme, later in her massive armament production and liberation of Holland.  

Canada's diminution of hard power coincided with the signing of NAFTA and greater integration with and trade dependence on the US.  It has made Canada more dependent economically and militarily on the US, which makes us vulnerable when a US administration doesn't see eye to eye with the Canadian government on major issues.

France long ago abandoned Quebec.  Dougie is right on that.  However, Britain is also hands-off, particularly after the Treaty of Westminster put Canada's government on equal footing with Britain as independent states in the 30's.  Canada stopped fighting wars for the British Empire, though she does fight wars for NATO.  

The Canada Act of 1982 reduced the Crown's role to one of symbolism and tradition, as the head of state for the signing of legislation resides in Canada now.  

Fake country?  Well, Canada does enjoy one of the highest standards of living and Human Development Index ratings in the world.  It's got a lot going for it, but it's true that the idea or rhetoric of Canada isn't matched by hard power or economic independence, though I'm not sure that could be changed or that it's desirable to substantially change that, as we couldn't match US military might and there are sensible, practical reasons why most of our exports go to the US.  We import roughly the same amount of goods and services from the US, but the US has a few Canada-like states within her own borders, at least economically.

The mistake that Trudeau Junior is making is that he pretends that Canada can make up for and reconcile all past injustices and do this on the backs of the current taxpaying population, most of whom immigrated to Canada over the past few generations.  It's an unreasonable demand that makes Canadians feel badly about who they are and that only leads to demands for even more apologies and reparations.  He should know that there is a segment of the population that relies on government handouts yet bites the hand that feeds it.  It's better to acknowledge the past colonial biases, recognize the good contributions of these founding powers, and integrate new ideas without damning the country.  Junior can't contain the forces he unleased and it will be for future governments to stand up for Canada against any one group or special interest.  

wtf does any of that matter now ?

literally every institution in Canada has fallen to an American pseudo Nazi cult called the Woke

literally every government policy of the government of Canada is about Wokeness now

why bother to post that wall of text, when that Canada is gone ?

  it was gone overnight, the moment the American Woke showed up

lift up your head and look around, who are you even trying to convince ?

there are those of us who remember Canada, we're called the old people

the young in Canada know nothing other than this witches brew of Wokeness, Green & Modern Monetary Theory

Canada is selling everything you believe in down the river to the highest bidder

the Woke Americans, or the Red Chinese, those are Canada's masters now

if you are not in revolt against this Canada now, you are not even Canadian at all

[taxme]

2 hours ago, cougar said:

Good post, except you should not be giving your life for your comrades either.  You may like them and they may like you and be exactly like you, but they will not ask for your life.   You will be giving your life away not for them.   You will give it to make some fat capitalist richer.

The military establishment makes billions from their selling of war merchandise. As Winston Churchill once said, "wars are nothing more than a racket". Sadly, those people who join the military have been led to believe that they are hero's who are ready to sacrifice their lives for the good of their country and freedom. Their own country could careless about their safety and lives. Even H. Kissinger once said that "soldiers are dumb stupid animals". Ready to die for billionaires like H. Kissinger and the many other globalist ilk out there. Name a billionaire of today that was in the military? 

On the contrary, the good of the country means nothing to these arms dealers nor to our politicians who keep going along with this war madness. Ordinary citizen's do not create wars, it is the elite globalists, along with our political leaders, who help create and start wars. The majority of our politicians today have blood on their hands. But ask them if they care? Ha-ha. 

Edited June 17, 2021 by taxme

[Dougie93]

15 minutes ago, taxme said:

As Winston Churchill once said, "wars are nothing more than a racked".

it wasn't Churchill who said it, that was United States Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler

[Dougie93]

I can say that my mental faculties were not suspended while serving in the army

I grew up in the shadow of Vietnam and the Pentagon Papers

I was not in anyway naive about the Military Industrial Congressional Complex

but that is a civilian thing, it is the civilians who run the racket

the point of being an infantryman was simply the male dominance hierarchy

to be a hunter killer, to go and see the Elephant as the British used to say

I went in eyes wide open, knowing full well what the context was

but as Army Guy says, it's not about the politics, it's only about the men to the left & right of you

we few, we happy few, we band of brothers who face the crucible together

there was no politics therein, the politics was for the civilians, we were simply the instruments of their policies

once they turned it into a Woke feminist vagina monologue however, it lost all meaning to we alpha males

Edited June 17, 2021 by Dougie93

[taxme]

10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

it wasn't Churchill who said it, that was United States Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler

I stand corrected. I never did like Churchill or Roosevelt ans Wall Street that teamed up with comrade Stalin to go after Hitler together to try and defeat Nazism. Stalin and communism was the biggest threat to America, Britain, Canada and pretty much the rest of the free world. But yet they joined forces against Hitler and Hitler lost the war. That has never made any sense to me. Communism was more of a threat to world freedom than Nazism could have ever been. After all Nazism was anti communism. Go figure, eh? 

I often wonder what the world would be like today if communism had defeated communism? Would China, North Korea or Cuba be free countries today if communism were defeated by Hitler? Would hundreds of thousands of innocent people have died at the hands of communism if Stalin was defeated? We will never know now. The world may have been able to defeat and end communism forever but the powers to be at the time screwed that all up. Too late now. Aw well. 

[taxme]

19 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

it wasn't Churchill who said it, that was United States Marine Corps Major General Smedley Butler

I stand corrected. Thank you. 

[Dougie93]

Just now, taxme said:

I stand corrected. I never did like Churchill or Roosevelt ans Wall Street that teamed up with comrade Stalin to go after Hitler together to try and defeat Nazism. Stalin and communism was the biggest threat to America, Britain, Canada and pretty much the rest of the free world. But yet they joined forces against Hitler and Hitler lost the war. That has never made any sense to me. Communism was more of a threat to world freedom than Nazism could have ever been. After all Nazism was anti communism. Go figure, eh? 

I often wonder what the world would be like today if communism had defeated communism? Would China, North Korea or Cuba be free countries today if communism were defeated by Hitler? Would hundreds of thousands of innocent people have died at the hands of communism if Stalin was defeated? We will never know now. The world may have been able to defeat and end communism forever but the powers to be at the time screwed that all up. Too late now. Aw well. 

well, Churchill was actually a British Imperial warmonger, Churchill absolutely believed in the efficacy of war

Churchill only ever fought for the Empire, both wars were in defence of Suez as the gateway to India & the Far East

here's Churchill with his buddy the Kaiser, who was Queen Victoria's grandson actually

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, taxme said:

I stand corrected. Thank you. 

just a pilgrim passing on the American religion

Smedley Butler is your guy

most decorated Marine in the history of the Corps