Dowell Posted March 15, 2022 Report Posted March 15, 2022 14 hours ago, OftenWrong said: I read the bible, not all of it though. I remember it said "it is not what a man puts in his mouth, but that which comes out of his mouth." so eating shrimp's technically allowed, thanks to Jesus. Highly recommended by some. Quote
French Patriot Posted March 15, 2022 Report Posted March 15, 2022 1 hour ago, Dowell said: You may think that you have more credibility than the Misssouri State Medical Association, but you might have difficulty convincing others. The last reported cased was a guy who landed as a spot on the back of a butterfly in heaven. Supernatural should be our last position of belief in something without facts. When they find a God in there who hitches a ride back, let us all know. Regards DL Quote
TreeBeard Posted March 16, 2022 Report Posted March 16, 2022 21 hours ago, OftenWrong said: I read the bible, not all of it though. I remember it said "it is not what a man puts in his mouth, but that which comes out of his mouth." so eating shrimp's technically allowed, thanks to Jesus... Why did God/Jesus change his mind about so many things? Quote
OftenWrong Posted March 16, 2022 Report Posted March 16, 2022 31 minutes ago, TreeBeard said: Why did God/Jesus change his mind about so many things? Not sure. Perhaps a god needs to be flexible. Quote
Dowell Posted March 16, 2022 Report Posted March 16, 2022 7 hours ago, French Patriot said: The last reported cased was a guy who landed as a spot on the back of a butterfly in heaven. Supernatural should be our last position of belief in something without facts. When they find a God in there who hitches a ride back, let us all know. Scoffing at a scientific study just makes you look less intelligent. Quote
Dowell Posted March 16, 2022 Report Posted March 16, 2022 1 hour ago, TreeBeard said: Why did God/Jesus change his mind about so many things? Some of it had to do with keeping the line of Abraham separate, some had to do with the lack of refrigeration. Quote
French Patriot Posted March 16, 2022 Report Posted March 16, 2022 12 hours ago, Dowell said: Scoffing at a scientific study just makes you look less intelligent. The supernatural is far from science. It is fiction. Regards DL Quote
West Posted March 17, 2022 Report Posted March 17, 2022 On 4/7/2021 at 4:32 AM, Jean-Kevin said: It is possible to do the same thing with Muhammad but the problem it is in the end of story, Momo is a pedophile guru, a war chief, a slave driver... a lot of negative things, magic tricks not very difficult to do who let I think in his existence. The case of Jesus is : - full of miracles - born from a virgin - a guy who can die and come back to life - it is himself god It smells like a fake or a mythological story. Then if you look at the story of Krishna (existed before the story of Jesus) you see he is Vishnou avatar (it is god or a god), he born in a almost similar way, he is Messia awaited... full of similarities and this is put in the mythology story box. It could just be that 1. God knew how to speak to a people who believed that gods had to have certain attributes and 2. The writers of the New Testament were using illustrations to capture a non-jewish audience. Quote
West Posted March 17, 2022 Report Posted March 17, 2022 On 3/15/2022 at 8:28 PM, TreeBeard said: Why did God/Jesus change his mind about so many things? Dietary laws of the old testament were probably to prevent disease. Quote
French Patriot Posted March 17, 2022 Report Posted March 17, 2022 34 minutes ago, West said: Dietary laws of the old testament were probably to prevent disease. More economic. Do not buy pigs because that other tribe raised them. Keep buying local. Sounds quite modern eh? Regards DL Quote
West Posted March 17, 2022 Report Posted March 17, 2022 Just now, French Patriot said: More economic. Do not buy pigs because that other tribe raised them. Keep buying local. Sounds quite modern eh? Regards DL Or don't eat animals that carry disease.. sounds like good advice ? Quote
French Patriot Posted March 17, 2022 Report Posted March 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, West said: Or don't eat animals that carry disease.. sounds like good advice ? It is, but that has nothing to do with the dietary, ---- or dress laws if I can get you to look at those, ---- that were in place to promote ones own tribe and products. Regards DL Quote
West Posted March 17, 2022 Report Posted March 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, French Patriot said: It is, but that has nothing to do with the dietary, ---- or dress laws if I can get you to look at those, ---- that were in place to promote ones own tribe and products. Regards DL The dietary laws were 100% about maintaining health of the tribe. If you read the laws it's right in there with isolating if your are sick and not allowing disgusting things to grow in your house and burying your dung after you take a dump. The dress yes was more in relation to the gods or goddesses they worshipped. "Don't use a razor on the side of your head" was to distinguish themselves from the tribes around them who did so out of worship to the different gods 1 Quote
French Patriot Posted March 17, 2022 Report Posted March 17, 2022 19 minutes ago, West said: The dietary laws were 100% about maintaining health of the tribe. Healthy pigs are no less edible than goats. Believe as you will though. Regards DL Quote
Dowell Posted March 18, 2022 Report Posted March 18, 2022 11 hours ago, French Patriot said: Healthy pigs are no less edible than goats. Believe as you will though. Hard to keep pigs healthy in the desert. They are wallowing animals that would foul the scarce water sources, and pigs that can't keep themselves cool by wallowing become ill, and parasite ridden. 1 Quote
SkyHigh Posted March 18, 2022 Report Posted March 18, 2022 The idea that some apocalyptic messianic preacher named Yosef existed in the early 1st century is not only possible but probable, as for the stories about said preacher in the new testament, they on the other hand are neither probable nor possible 1 Quote
French Patriot Posted March 19, 2022 Report Posted March 19, 2022 18 hours ago, SkyHigh said: The idea that some apocalyptic messianic preacher named Yosef existed in the early 1st century is not only possible but probable, as for the stories about said preacher in the new testament, they on the other hand are neither probable nor possible Would you abdicate your own responsibility for your sins, a sin in and of itself, to let someone else have your rightful burden? Moral people think that substitutional punishment is immoral. What do you think of those who want to ride Jesus as their scapegoat/savior? Regards DL Quote
Jean-Kevin Posted March 19, 2022 Author Report Posted March 19, 2022 (edited) Quote I believe based on the expertise of secular scholars like Bart Ehrman. Godless Engineer : "Tonight's show is a bit different in that Dr. Richard Carrier is responding to Bart Herman's Holy Koolaid interview on the Historical Jesus. Recently Dr. Bart Ehrman went on @Holy Koolaid's channel to discuss the historical Jesus and it was historically a disaster. It was so bad that even the commenters on the video were calling out Ehrman's poor understanding." In the comments to the video Michael Champion says something interesting : "I think people are forgetting what education Bart Ehrman has. He does not have a history degree, or a comparative religion degree, all he has is biblical studies and theology degrees from Bible institutions. He was taught to be an apologist, not a historian, and I feel we take him too seriously when he speaks about history. He proved in his debate with Price that he is not well read outside of the bible, he had not even read the early 20th century critiques of the religion." So Bart D. Ehrman's argument from authority is not even particularly strong. I think there must be stronger arguments of authority to establish the existence of Jesus. Edited March 19, 2022 by Jean-Kevin 1 Quote
French Patriot Posted March 19, 2022 Report Posted March 19, 2022 Bart Ehrman I like, but he does lack in knowledge of other disciplines. He knows next to nothing about Gnostic Christianity and has not matured his thinking. Regards DL Quote
SkyHigh Posted March 20, 2022 Report Posted March 20, 2022 20 hours ago, French Patriot said: Would you abdicate your own responsibility for your sins, a sin in and of itself, to let someone else have your rightful burden? Moral people think that substitutional punishment is immoral. What do you think of those who want to ride Jesus as their scapegoat/savior? Regards DL Well i don't believe "sin" exists as that is a concept exclusive to the bible bur in direct response to your question, no i donot believe a blood sacrifice can absolve one of anything. As for those who use Jesus as thier "scapegoat" honestly i feel sad for them, thinking one needs some omnipotent master to keept them on the straight and narrow denies them a the self actuating power of the human will. 1 Quote
French Patriot Posted March 20, 2022 Report Posted March 20, 2022 I share your sentiment and try to reduce the numbers afflicted daily. Regards DL Quote
SkyHigh Posted March 20, 2022 Report Posted March 20, 2022 2 hours ago, French Patriot said: I share your sentiment and try to reduce the numbers afflicted daily. Regards DL A noble pursuit 1 Quote
Dowell Posted March 21, 2022 Report Posted March 21, 2022 On 3/19/2022 at 9:41 AM, French Patriot said: Would you abdicate your own responsibility for your sins, a sin in and of itself, to let someone else have your rightful burden? Moral people think that substitutional punishment is immoral. A sacrifice is giving up something of value for a higher purpose. It is also an admission of transgressions, and an effort to atone for them. It shows remorse, and was a means of supporting the priesthood who consumed the sacrifice once it was consecrated. It is in a way humerous that those who sacrifice nothing, and show no remorse criticize those who do. Quote
French Patriot Posted March 21, 2022 Report Posted March 21, 2022 21 hours ago, SkyHigh said: A noble pursuit Perhaps. I bear the shame of contributing to the negative as well as the positive. I see it more as pay back for my own evil deeds along the way, as well as those I seek to inflict via tough love in the future. Ultimately, I have to follow wherever my selfish gene leads me, and at present, I cannot think of a better way to spend my time. Let's hope we can start a trend. The world could use more payers, instead of takers, given the woes we are working so hard to bring to ourselves and our decaying planet. Regards DL Quote
French Patriot Posted March 21, 2022 Report Posted March 21, 2022 2 hours ago, Dowell said: A sacrifice is giving up something of value for a higher purpose. It is also an admission of transgressions, and an effort to atone for them. It shows remorse, and was a means of supporting the priesthood who consumed the sacrifice once it was consecrated. It is in a way humerous that those who sacrifice nothing, and show no remorse criticize those who do. A God cannot give up anything of it's initial perfection. Regardless, I will take the moral advice from Jesus the Jewish Rabbi and step up to my just reward. I will let the evil Christians ignore Jesus and good old common sense. Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin. Regards DL Quote
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