The Lawsuits

[Michael Hardner]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

So now Trump is the bad guy for doing exactly what previous U.S. presidents have done, notably Bill Clinton (1995-1996) and Barack Obama (2013), the latter who shutdown the U.S. government over the ACA (ObamaCare).

But because it is Trump, suddenly it is a big, unprecedented shock.

Lame duck my ass....

 

I think that the circumstances are different this time, which is why people are upset.

And as for lame duck, people seem to think that Trump is trying to assert his relevance by doing anything he can - including not signing the bills before him.

I don't know - but people are saying it.

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

I think that the circumstances are different this time, which is why people are upset.

 

People were very upset by the long, previous government shutdowns as well.   Are they more upset because it is Trump ?   If so, why ?   COVID ?

 

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And as for lame duck, people seem to think that Trump is trying to assert his relevance by doing anything he can - including not signing the bills before him.

I don't know - but people are saying it.

 

Again, Trump is just another U.S. president...doing the things other presidents have done.   That includes:

- pardons

- vetos  (Trump has fewer than many)

- conflict with Congress over federal budget and spending priorities

- U.S. troop withdrawals

- Executive Orders

 

The White House should get something for playing ball, just like any other administration.   The Constitution is written in such a way that the Executive still matters to the very end of term.

Hell, even people in Canada are bitching about the wild spending and lack of transparency by the Trudeau government.

 

[Michael Hardner]

55 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

1. People were very upset by the long, previous government shutdowns as well.   Are they more upset because it is Trump ?   If so, why ?   COVID ?

2. Again, Trump is just another U.S. president...doing the things other presidents have done.   That includes:

- pardons

- vetos  (Trump has fewer than many)

- conflict with Congress over federal budget and spending priorities

- U.S. troop withdrawals

- Executive Orders

 

3. The White House should get something for playing ball, just like any other administration.   The Constitution is written in such a way that the Executive still matters to the very end of term.

 

 

1. Yes, Covid.
2. Context is important.  It's kind of like saying "I shoot things all the time, I shot a deer last fall... so why are people so mad at this Lee Harvey Oswald fellow ?"
3. The only thing that should matter is *THREAD RESET* ... THE LAWSUITS.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Yes, Covid.
2. Context is important.  It's kind of like saying "I shoot things all the time, I shot a deer last fall... so why are people so mad at this Lee Harvey Oswald fellow ?"

 

It would still be a major issue regardless of COVID, same as before.   Yet President Obama was clearly willing to shutdown the government for his health care insurance program (ACA).

 

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3. The only thing that should matter is *THREAD RESET* ... THE LAWSUITS.

 

OK, but the lawsuits are just more of the same...working the system.   It's the same system regardless of who is president.

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

1. It would still be a major issue regardless of COVID, same as before.   Yet President Obama was clearly willing to shutdown the government for his health care insurance program (ACA).

2. It's the same system regardless of who is president.

1. Context, man.
2. Not for long... Q is rising... or... something

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Context, man.
2. Not for long... Q is rising... or... something

 

1.   Not buying it...COVID context is just another context compared to the past.   Conflating the U.S. federal budget just adds more drama, but we have already seen this movie before.

2.  Agreed, and that is by design.  The lawsuits are just part of a strategy to keep the base from wandering away until the next federal election.   Resist....obstruct...disrupt....sound familiar ?

[BeaverFever]

On 12/26/2020 at 2:53 PM, Infidel Dog said:

That's the Progressive Socialist POV. Here's Trumps:

 

Video removed for violating terms of service. LMAO. 

Trumps POV alright!

I know I know it’s that darn VAST WORLDWIDE CONSPIRACY again!

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[BeaverFever]

On 12/26/2020 at 2:56 PM, Infidel Dog said:

And there are, of course, reasons for Trump vetoing Porkulus bills which were supposed to be about helping America and Americans through the troubled times caused by the Chi-Comm flu.

 

Oh but he didn’t veto it, he just signed it. You lose again MWOP MWOP

I can’t really blame you though this time it’s really not your fault. Your Dear Leader is so unstable and erratic he pulls 180s on his 180s depending on his blood sugar levels and what he saw on Fox News in the last half hour so it’s really hard to be constantly apologizing for a moving target like that. 

[Infidel Dog]

Not exactly...

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As President, I have told Congress that I want far less wasteful spending and more money going to the American people in the form of $2,000 checks per adult and $600 per child.

 

As President I am demanding many rescissions under the Impoundment Control Act of 1974. The Act provides that, “whenever the President determines that all or part of any budget authority will not be required to carry out the full objectives or scope of programs for which it is provided, or that such budget authority should be rescinded for fiscal policy or other reasons (including termination of authorized projects or activities for which budget authority has been provided), the President shall transmit to both Houses of Congress a special message” describing the amount to be reserved, the relevant accounts, the reasons for the rescission, and the economic effects of the rescission. 2 U.S.C. § 683.

I will sign the Omnibus and Covid package with a strong message that makes clear to Congress that wasteful items need to be removed. I will send back to Congress a redlined version, item by item, accompanied by the formal rescission request to Congress insisting that those funds be removed from the bill.

I am signing this bill to restore unemployment benefits, stop evictions, provide rental assistance, add money for PPP, return our airline workers back to work, add substantially more money for vaccine distribution, and much more.

 

On Monday the House will vote to increase payments to individuals from $600 to $2,000. Therefore, a family of four would receive $5,200. Additionally, Congress has promised that Section 230, which so unfairly benefits Big Tech at the expense of the American people, will be reviewed and either be terminated or substantially reformed.

Likewise, the House and Senate have agreed to focus strongly on the very substantial voter fraud which took place in the November 3 Presidential election.

The Senate will start the process for a vote that increases checks to $2,000, repeals Section 230, and starts an investigation into voter fraud.

Big Tech must not get protections of Section 230!

Voter Fraud must be fixed!

Much more money is coming. I will never give up my fight for the American people

https://djhjmedia.com/kari/relief-bill-causes-distress-statement-from-trump-impoundment-control-act-explained-line-item-veto/

What this all means though, we will see.

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Not exactly...

https://djhjmedia.com/kari/relief-bill-causes-distress-statement-from-trump-impoundment-control-act-explained-line-item-veto/

What this all means though, we will see.

Interesting that Trump agrees with Democrats on increasing the payments to individuals, while the Republicans oppose it Because Socialism. 

[Michael Hardner]

11 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

1.   Not buying it...COVID context is just another context compared to the past.   Conflating the U.S. federal budget just adds more drama, but we have already seen this movie before.

2.  Agreed, and that is by design.  The lawsuits are just part of a strategy to keep the base from wandering away until the next federal election.   Resist....obstruct...disrupt....sound familiar ?

1. "Just another context compared to the past" is a meaningless qualifier.  The day the earth explodes is one of those also.  You are not a bug (I think) but presumably someone who cares about people, as evidenced by your oft-hidden devotion to military duty.  Some things matter, whether you admit it on here or not.
2. Sounds like the Marxist playbook.  And anyone who cares about their country should be worried about objectivity right now.  I know I am.

[bush_cheney2004]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. "Just another context compared to the past" is a meaningless qualifier.  The day the earth explodes is one of those also.  You are not a bug (I think) but presumably someone who cares about people, as evidenced by your oft-hidden devotion to military duty.  Some things matter, whether you admit it on here or not.
2. Sounds like the Marxist playbook.  And anyone who cares about their country should be worried about objectivity right now.  I know I am.

 

1.  Not meaningless at all...using your analogy....the life and death of stars/planets is a very common and ordinary occurrence.   It just takes a long time from our short perspective.  

Some things seem to matter so much more when "Trump" is involved....strange.

Trump will fade away too...if you let him.

2.  Exactly the point...I have a much longer perspective for my country's history and challenges.   Trump is just another U.S. president, and less impactful than many others in several, significant ways.   But he has mastered modern media so well, it evens works on Canada.

 

[Michael Hardner]

35 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

1.  Not meaningless at all...using your analogy....the life and death of stars/planets is a very common and ordinary occurrence.   It just takes a long time from our short perspective.  

2. Some things seem to matter so much more when "Trump" is involved....strange.

3. Trump will fade away too...if you let him.

4. (was 2.)  Exactly the point...I have a much longer perspective for my country's history and challenges.  

5. But he has mastered modern media so well, it evens works on Canada.

 

1. Oh come ON.   Unless you are a terminally ill misanthrope... you are not sitting on your porch happily watching the comet barreling towards us.  Presumably there are people you love, who will outlive you and you care what happens.  You are, like me, a cynic and a clever court jester to a degree but nobody cares that little.  

2. If you are as clever as it appears, you can help all of us by delving into why that is ?  Why do these lawsuits upset some people so much ?

3. Letting him involves a kind of mass-scale therapy that isn't possible.  Even if I were to engage in much-needed therapy, should it be needed, would I be able to let this go ?  Can you show me some ink blots now Dr. Bush ?

4. Longer perspective ?  From 1. you are going back to the big bang, which means your perspective is God's.

5. I would counter that he was never bought in to the new channels of the literati, other than recognizing the power of direct communication via Twitter (as FDR and Hitler recognized the power of radio).  Trump has what Pelosi, Cuomo, and the literati could never have: the sensibility of the outsider, of those left behind. 

So those of us who felt that our patriarchal generosity was generous are shocked to find out that people are resentful to be viewed as needing help.  

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Oh come ON.   Unless you are a terminally ill misanthrope... you are not sitting on your porch happily watching the comet barreling towards us.  Presumably there are people you love, who will outlive you and you care what happens.  You are, like me, a cynic and a clever court jester to a degree but nobody cares that little.  

2. If you are as clever as it appears, you can help all of us by delving into why that is ?  Why do these lawsuits upset some people so much ?

3. Letting him involves a kind of mass-scale therapy that isn't possible.  Even if I were to engage in much-needed therapy, should it be needed, would I be able to let this go ?  Can you show me some ink blots now Dr. Bush ?

4. Longer perspective ?  From 1. you are going back to the big bang, which means your perspective is God's.

5. I would counter that he was never bought in to the new channels of the literati, other than recognizing the power of direct communication via Twitter (as FDR and Hitler recognized the power of radio).  Trump has what Pelosi, Cuomo, and the literati could never have: the sensibility of the outsider, of those left behind. 

So those of us who felt that our patriarchal generosity was generous are shocked to find out that people are resentful to be viewed as needing help.  

 

1.   One can still care without losing perspective.   And one should most certainly not lose perspective over a single president...especially in another country. 

2.  Why ?   Because it is Trump...being Trump...and they are triggered by anything Trump does.   They never really accepted Trump's election in 2016 (but call for "unity" now, of course).

3.  The secret is to never have become so obsessed with Trump in the first place.   Don't take the bait...or at least understand what he is doing and why he is doing it if you must take the bait.

4.   No...I am a pagan and have no need for your God.   I can see "God" on any clear night and take its picture.    Space-time doesn't care about Trump.

5.   Trump is just a symptom of much larger issues.   "Needing help" has been co-opted for political gain....do think most Americans really need 60,000 pennies to survive COVID ?

I suppose that consuming so much American media will inevitably lead to Trump intoxication for some...but Trump's lawsuits are trivial and will not lead to another civil war in the United States.  

[Argus]

16 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

People were very upset by the long, previous government shutdowns as well.   Are they more upset because it is Trump ?   If so, why ?  

Because Trump took no part in the decision making or negotiations between the White house/Republicans and the Democrats. He attended no briefings. He read no materials. He did not say or do a thing. The White House signed off on the budget and the covid stimulus bill. Remember that the Republican position all along was to oppose money for ordinary people. They grudgingly gave in to the $600 checks. Not a single Republican wanted more. Nor did the White House suggest it.

Suddenly, up pops Trump, probably because he saw something on cable TV and thought he could make himself look good, and also to make trouble for the Republicans who wouldn't support him over his bullshit claims of fraud. And it looked like not only was he going to delay the covid checks (and did) but shut down the government. During the midst of a terrible pandemic.

You can't compare that to any previous cases because in previous such cases the president had at least a clue what was going on and the White House made their opposition known well in advance

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Again, Trump is just another U.S. president...doing the things other presidents have done.   That includes:

- pardons

Other presidents mostly pardoned non-violent strangers who had been sentenced unjustly to long periods of prison where they had learned their lessons already. The pardon in modern terms has become a relief of what is seen by many as an unjust sentence.

Trump has instead used it for his friends and relatives and aides. So yeah, that's quite different.

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- vetos  (Trump has fewer than many)

Because the Senate served as his veto, not passing anything he expressed opposition to.

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- conflict with Congress over federal budget and spending priorities

There was no conflict because he took no part in the negotiations.

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- U.S. troop withdrawals

Other presidents arranged this in concert with the best advice of the pentagon. Trump has ignored them just as he's ignored his own party's wishes.

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- Executive Orders

Trump railed against executive orders until he got into power, then used them relentlessly and often unconstitutionally.

You  frantic Trump cultists just can't accept reality. Partly because you don't ever read anything which might contradict your silly views on what's happening in the world.

 

Edited December 28, 2020 by Argus

[WestCanMan]

16 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Again, Trump is just another U.S. president...doing the things other presidents have done.   That includes:

You forgot, "pardoning terrorists'. IIRC Clinton and Obama were into that. 

Did Trump do that?

[WestCanMan]

11 minutes ago, Argus said:

Because Trump took no part in the decision making or negotiations between the White house/Republicans and the Democrats. He attended no briefings. He read no materials. He did not say or do a thing. The White House signed off on the budget and the covid stimulus bill. Remember that the Republican position all along was to oppose money for ordinary people. They grudgingly gave in to the $600 checks. Not a single Republican wanted more. Nor did the White House suggest it.

Suddenly, up pops Trump, probably because he saw something on cable TV and thought he could make himself look good, and also to make trouble for the Republicans who wouldn't support him over his bullshit claims of fraud. And it looked like not only was he going to delay the covid checks (and did) but shut down the government.

1) You know that the Dems were stalling on those since the middle of summer, right?

To Demmies, Trump almost talking about holding up aid to Ukraine was theoretically a big deal but the Dems actually holding up aid just to make Americans suffer is somehow A-OK....

2) What reliable source did you get this info from....? Are you quoting CNN again  

"An anonymous source close to the WH tells us that Trump never ever talked to anyone about a stimulus bill! That is what constitutes absolute proof within leftist media circles." 

Edited December 28, 2020 by WestCanMan

[Argus]

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

1) You know that the Dems were stalling on those since the middle of summer, right?

I know they opposed the determined effort by the Republicans to insulate American corporations from being sued for forcing their employees to work in dangerous circumstances while doing nothing to protect them. Was that what you meant?

8 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

"An anonymous source close to the WH tells us that Trump never ever talked to anyone about a stimulus bill! That is what constitutes absolute proof within leftist media circles." 

Do you imagine the White House aides who were communicating with the Republicans in congress simply ignored Trump's expressed wishes? Because if they did why hasn't he fired them? And if they didn't, why didn't they tell the Republicans that $600 was unacceptable to le grande orange?

Use your goddam brain for once.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

I know they opposed the determined effort by the Republicans to insulate American corporations from being sued for forcing their employees to work in dangerous circumstances while doing nothing to protect them. Was that what you meant?

Blah, blah, blah. Dangerous my arse.

Almost no one who is still young enough to be working has to worry about C19.

Only high-risk people need to stay off work.

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Do you imagine the White House aides who were communicating with the Republicans in congress simply ignored Trump's expressed wishes? Because if they did why hasn't he fired them? And if they didn't, why didn't they tell the Republicans that $600 was unacceptable to le grande orange?

Use your goddam brain for once.

More idiotic bullshit.

Do you think that Trump needed to be briefed on aid packages daily, while knowing that Dems were just going to block everything anyways? That's no more useful than following NASA's Santa tracker. 

Pelosi and Schumer did everything that they could to make Americans miserable leading up to the election. They view that as their job as Demonrats. 

Edited December 28, 2020 by WestCanMan

[Argus]

36 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Almost no one who is still young enough to be working has to worry about C19.

There are children dying of this thing. Not that you'd care, I guess.

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Do you think that Trump needed to be briefed on aid packages daily, while knowing that Dems were just going to

You didn't answer the question. Did your mind shy away from it in terror?

Did the White House approve of the deal because they didn't give a shit what Trump had to say or did they think Trump just didn't care? It has to be one of those. Which is it?

Edited December 28, 2020 by Argus

[WestCanMan]

6 minutes ago, Argus said:

There are children dying of this thing. Not that you'd care, I guess.

BS. 

2,000 children in the US died from Swine Flu under Obama and they did nothing about. 

How many kids in the US have died of C19, pray tell?

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You didn't answer the question. Did your mind shy away from it in terror?

 

I don't fear your stupid questions, I just ignore them. 

If you recall, I categorized your comments as "CNN gossip" and you never gave reason to assume that it was more than that.  

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Did the White House approve of the deal because they didn't give a shit what Trump had to say or did they think Trump just didn't care? It has to be one of those. Which is it?

Did "The White House" approve of the deal Argus?  

Do you have a cite for that, or is it just more of your beloved CNN gossip? (that was a rhetorical question)

FYI, you really do have a bad habit of citing turdbits of gossip as statements of fact.

[bush_cheney2004]

4 hours ago, Argus said:

You  frantic Trump cultists just can't accept reality. Partly because you don't ever read anything which might contradict your silly views on what's happening in the world.

 

...and the frantic Trump haters like you still haven't figured out why Trump was elected in the first place.

 

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He did not say or do a thing.

 

Nonsense...President Trump clearly stated that he wanted more stimulus cash for Americans way back in September.

 

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September 17, 2020

 

President Trump on Wednesday called on congressional Republicans to support a massive economic relief bill with “much higher numbers” and stimulus payments for Americans, abruptly proposing an entirely different plan from what the Senate GOP sought to advance in recent days.

https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:uV5phhIxofsJ:https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/09/16/trump-stimulus-payment-economic-relief/+&cd=7&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-b-1-d

 

Edited December 28, 2020 by bush_cheney2004

[Argus]

12 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

...and the frantic Trump haters like you still haven't figured out why Trump was elected in the first place.

Because of the poor education system in the US.

Are you gonna cry when your god gets dragged out of the white house by the ankles? Are you gonna cash in your pension and send it all to your glorious orange saviour?

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Argus said:

Because of the poor education system in the US.

Are you gonna cry when your god gets dragged out of the white house by the ankles? Are you gonna cash in your pension and send it all to your glorious orange saviour?

 

No...I didn't even vote for Trump in 2016, while you have been flipping out over him for years...FROM A FOREIGN COUNTRY !

I have already stated many times that Trump is just another U.S. president...you are the one who has elevated him to godlike status in your mind, where he lives...rent free.

[Moonlight Graham]

19 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

...and the frantic Trump haters like you still haven't figured out why Trump was elected in the first place.

Because your government is corrupt garbage and has created a new superpower about to overtake the US as the biggest economy in the world because Americans are mentally retarded.