The Lawsuits

[Argus]

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

Giuliani's team blew another one but...

Federal appeals court dismisses Trump campaign lawsuit over Pennsylvania voting procedures

A federal appeals court dismissed a lawsuit by the Trump campaign over Pennsylvania's voting procedures on Friday, paving the way for the issue to escalate all the way up to the Supreme Court.

That biased judge who wrote the decision was appointed by... uh... Donald Trump

“Free, fair elections are the lifeblood of our democracy. Charges of unfairness are serious. But calling an election unfair does not make it so. Charges require specific allegations and then proof. We have neither here,” 3rd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals Justice Stephanos Bibas wrote in a 21-page opinion issued Friday.

The three-judge panel noted that the campaign’s grievances amounted to “nothing more” than allegations that Pennsylvania restricted poll watchers and let voters fix technical defects in their mail-in ballots.

“The Campaign tries to repackage these state-law claims as unconstitutional discrimination. Yet its allegations are vague and conclusory,” the opinion says.

“It never alleges that anyone treated the Trump campaign or Trump votes worse than it treated the Biden campaign or Biden votes.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/court-rejects-trump-pa-election-180520069.html

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

The SCOTUS interprets the US Constitution.  Whether they use science or tea leaves is up to them.

 

Equal treatment under the law has nothing to do with God.

God is actually more relevant to Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms (Preamble).

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Equal treatment under the law has nothing to do with God.

God is actually more relevant to Canada's Charter of Rights and Freedoms (Preamble).

 I think were all agreed that it certainly shouldn't have anything to do with a God.

As for Canada, they could well do with losing that reference too.                                                             

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

He wasn't investigating obstruction of justice. It would be like Giuliani admitting he had no case for election fraud or irregularities then saying however let's talk about Hunter Biden saying his dad takes kickbacks.

That is one of the stupidest things you’ve said which is saying quite a lot! Do you also believe that if a bank robber shoots at police he can’t be charged for it because at the time the police were investigating the bank robbery and not being shot at?  It doesn’t make any sense.  It’s not at all like Giuliani changing the subject from his bogus election  fraud claims to his bogus hunter Biden claims. The Russia investigation and the obstruction of the Russia investigation are related. 
 

Also he didn’t say he has no evidence of obstruction. In fact I believe he said there is significant evidence of obstruction. Once Trump is out of office he’s no longer immune from being charged for such things and we’ll see if the Dems have the gonads to look into it further or are too worried about being “divisive”. 

Edited November 27, 2020 by BeaverFever

[Cannucklehead]

"In God We Trust", also "In God we trust", is the official motto of the United States of America and of the U.S. state of Florida. It was adopted by the U.S. Congress in 1956, supplanting E pluribus unum, which had been in use since the initial 1776 design of the Great Seal of the United States. 

 

Seriously?    

[bush_cheney2004]

4 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

 I think were all agreed that it certainly shouldn't have anything to do with a God.

As for Canada, they could well do with losing that reference too.                                                             

 

It doesn't have anything to do with God.   Equal protection is a well established concept with lots of precedent, regardless of COVID-19.

Canada purposely incorporated God into the Charter to gain political support...kinda ironic, eh ?

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

"In God We Trust", also "In God we trust", is the official motto of the United States of America and of the U.S. state of Florida. It was adopted by the U.S. Congress in 1956, supplanting E pluribus unum, which had been in use since the initial 1776 design of the Great Seal of the United States. 

 

Seriously?    

Did it say which God?  Odin's fairly trustworthy, I think.  Of course, Zeus might also be a good choice.

[WestCanMan]

3 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

 And what is this supposed to prove?

It sounds more like "Wah! I couldn't produce evidence of a crime but that doesn't mean that maybe somehow, some way there maybe, might have been one. Oh and Trump is a big, fat poopie head."

Really it's just Mueller admitting he had nothing.

That's the FBI's way of trying to act like the collusion fiasco was somehow justifiable. 

"We didn't find evidence that he colluded, but we didn't prove that he never colluded either."

The Dems love making serious accusations which can never be disproven. Kavanaugh's was the exact same formula: "At an undisclosed location, in un undisclosed month, in an undisclosed year, Kavanaugh almost raped me." Try to disprove an accusation that vague.... it's impossible.

[sharkman]

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

Well, the SCOTUS has aleady ruled for God over science this week, so who can say they won't find for Trump as well.  The evidence doesn't matter.  What matters now are the tea leaves.

 

I’m not surprised at this as the left is pretty predictable.  They’ll go from blaming the evidence(as being made up or imagined) to blaming SCOTUS before they even take the case or make a ruling.   
 

It doesn’t matter, though, Justice will be brought to you by(wait for it) the KRAKEN!

[Guest]

19 minutes ago, sharkman said:

I’m not surprised at this as the left is pretty predictable.  They’ll go from blaming the evidence(as being made up or imagined) to blaming SCOTUS before they even take the case or make a ruling.   
 

It doesn’t matter, though, Justice will be brought to you by(wait for it) the KRAKEN!

The Kraken's mythical, isn't it?  Like the evidence.  Seems appropriate.

[Infidel Dog]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

That biased judge who wrote the decision was appointed by... uh... Donald Trump

Who said he was a biased judge? I said Giuliani blew another one, but at least it gets them closer to the supreme court.

The previous cases were about things like slowing the process down so the Dem crooks didn't have a chance to ditch more evidence. Those were crooked judges and officials aiding and abetting that.

These schmucks are stuck in a position where the better part of valor is to cover their nuts say there's not enough evidence to change an election and move it up the ladder.

To be honest it won't surprise me if even the Supremes have to shrug their shoulders and say 'too bad, so sad, guys. They hid the smoking gun and made cucks of all of us."

I'll still say it was a fixed election attempt at a coup though.

Whether or not the coup was 100% successful or not will really depend on what happens in January. Will the Progressive globalists and their corporate sponsors be able to fix the two Senate runoffs as easy as they fixed the Presidential?

If they can, then America - in fact, all of the free West is toast.

Oh and Beave you're clueless as always. I'm not going to retry the Mueller, collusion delusion with you. I'll tell you the same thing you'll be telling me if your corporate backed, globalists and leftists are able to fix these two elections. Mueller lost. You lost. Get over it.

Edited November 28, 2020 by Infidel Dog

[sharkman]

28 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

The Kraken's mythical, isn't it?  Like the evidence.  Seems appropriate.

No, the Kraken is hacking software developed by the Defence Department

[Infidel Dog]

Actually...there may be even more to it than that and she may have physical evidence:

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Powell tweeted: ‘The #Kraken was just released on #Georgia’, along with a link to her website.
She added: ‘Exhibits to follow. Also #ReleaseTheKraken in #Michigan’.

Today during a telephone interview she made another huge claim that her team got pictures of the check stubs paid to people to ballot harvest.”

In her bombshell statements on Thanksgiving Powell claimed that China and Iran used these voting systems to influence the US election and that 96,000 votes cast for Biden in Georgia were illegally counted.( page 10

Additionally, incontrovertible evidence Board of Elections records demonstrates that at least 96,600 absentee ballots were requested and counted but were never recorded as being returned to county election boards by the voter. Thus, at a minimum, 96,600 votes must be disregarded.

In her bombshell claims, she also noted that officials in one Georgia county forced everyone to evacuate because of a water leak, only for counters to stay unsupervised to tamper with the votes.

Powell also claimed that 20,311 absentee or early voters in Georgia that voted while registered have actually moved out of state and may have voted twice.

https://conservativeus.com/sidney-powell-weve-got-pictures-of-the-check-stubs-paid-to-people-to-ballot-harvest-audio/

[Guest]

20 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Actually...there may be even more to it than that and she may have physical evidence:

https://conservativeus.com/sidney-powell-weve-got-pictures-of-the-check-stubs-paid-to-people-to-ballot-harvest-audio/

Well, if people were paid to commit crimes, and those who paid them were dumb enough to write the crimes on the pay cheques, they deserve to have a Kraken sicced on them.

[BeaverFever]

 

[Infidel Dog]

Is Maher happy because the neo-liberal war machine is back?

 

[Charles Anthony]

Guys, 

Please do not cluster-fuddle the forum with cartoons.  If you have nothing to contribute of your own words to accompany the post, then please avoid posting photo-play thumbnail links.

 

The free-wheeling comedy club department is down a few levels.  Feel free to have at it over there. 

[Infidel Dog]

Cartoons?

Bill Maher and Paul Joseph Watson are political commentators from opposite sides of the political spectrum.

But I guess if you'd rather not hear them engage in a duel of wits on video, oh well...

You're running the show.

Edited November 28, 2020 by Infidel Dog

[sharkman]

Okay, this story just happened last night, and at this point I can't find much on it with google.  I'm not sure why, it's pretty big news.

 

A Pennsylvania Judge ruled last night that the election as it was conducted  violated their State Constitution.  Mailing out ballots en mass is the issue.  The PA State Constitution is very specific on why a person is allowed to use a mail in ballot.  

So the Judge, Patricia McCullough, has ruled that the Pennsylvania election was unconstitutional.  She is giving the State legislature the power to choose the electors.  The legislature is controlled by the Republicans.

 

 

Edited November 28, 2020 by sharkman

[Charles Anthony]

^ That is how you do it.

[sharkman]

Okay, it looks like the video above that I linked, jumped the gun a little bit.  The judge in question was responding with an opinion only, saying that the Republicans who filed the lawsuit(seeking that the state's certification of the election results be set aside) would probably win it.  

Here's further analysis of the situation.

Pennsylvania Commonwealth Judge Patricia McCullough made the assessment as part of an opinion explaining her rationale for blocking Pennsylvania’s election certification.

A group of Republican lawmakers and candidates sued the Keystone State earlier this week, arguing that the state legislature’s mail-in voting law—Act 77—violated the commonwealth’s constitution.

[Argus]

3 hours ago, sharkman said:

Okay, this story just happened last night, and at this point I can't find much on it with google.  I'm not sure why, it's pretty big news.

 

A Pennsylvania Judge ruled last night that the election as it was conducted  violated their State Constitution.  Mailing out ballots en mass is the issue.  The PA State Constitution is very specific on why a person is allowed to use a mail in ballot.  

So the Judge, Patricia McCullough, has ruled that the Pennsylvania election was unconstitutional.  She is giving the State legislature the power to choose the electors.  The legislature is controlled by the Republicans.

The state has already certified the election, and this will be immediately overturned by the Pennsylvania supreme court. The law allowing for mail-in votes was passed by the GOP controlled legislature more than a year ago and has been used in two elections since without anyone complaining.

Like usual, Republican extremists only want to find things unfair when they lose.

McCullough, a Republican, said the GOP was likely to succeed in establishing that the procedure by which Pennsylvania’s GOP-controlled legislature instituted new mail-in voting methods as part of the 2019 Act 77 violated the state’s constitution. The judge didn’t say whether she thinks that means that any votes cast by mail-in ballot must be disqualified.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-11-28/pennsylvania-judge-backs-trump-claim-in-case-over-mail-voting

Edited November 28, 2020 by Argus

[sharkman]

I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on tv, but the issue may be more related to the adjustments regarding mail in ballots that were made more recently than over a year ago.   Like earlier this fall, not just in PA, but in several states they kept relaxing the rules to such an extent that many states simply mailed out ballots en masse.  

Again, this has to do with the Pennsylvania state constitution.  Below you can see it gives specific reasons why a person may vote by mail.  I can't claim to know whether a national pandemic would provide a case in which the law could be ignored.  But as it is written, the risk of getting a virus is not included.  

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§ 14. Absentee voting. (a) The Legislature shall, by general law, provide a manner in which, and the time and place at which, qualified electors who may, on the occurrence of any election, be absent from the municipality of their residence, because their duties, occupation or business require them to be elsewhere or who, on the occurrence of any election,

are unable to attend at their proper polling places because of illness or physical disability or who will not attend a polling place because of the observance of a religious holiday or who cannot vote because of election day duties, in the case of a county employee, may vote, and for the return and canvass of their votes in the election district in which they respectively reside.

(b) For purposes of this section, "municipality" means a city, borough, incorporated town, township or any similar general purpose unit of government which may be created by the General Assembly.

 

 

 

[Infidel Dog]

2 hours ago, Argus said:

The law allowing for mail-in votes was passed by the GOP controlled legislature more than a year ago and has been used in two elections since without anyone complaining.

Possibly but there's this:

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One posited solution to a potentially corrupt voting system, proposed by Ellis and former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani, is for the Pennsylvania legislature to select the electors for the Electoral College. This was first mentioned by Republican State Rep. Dawn Keefer, who noted that the Constitution gave the legislature that ability, but added that the legislature ceded the power to the Secretary of State by a statute, and they were advised by attorneys that it was therefore out of their control.

In response, Trump attorney Jenna Ellis explained that the Pennsylvania legislature can “take that power back at any time”:

When you have the delegation of authority, the legislature can take that back. You also have an instance here that the law was completely ignored, so even though you have a manner in which your electors are generally selected in Pennsylvania, and that’s worked for the past presidential elections since the statutes were authorised and gone through the legislature, this is an election that has been corrupted, so you can’t go through that method. Those laws were violated. The general assembly here, the legislature, is the authorised entity in the constitution that selects the manner. You can take that power back at any time.

 

Edited November 28, 2020 by Infidel Dog

[Cannucklehead]

1 hour ago, sharkman said:

I'm not a lawyer, nor do I play one on tv, but the issue may be more related to the adjustments regarding mail in ballots that were made more recently than over a year ago.   Like earlier this fall, not just in PA, but in several states they kept relaxing the rules to such an extent that many states simply mailed out ballots en masse.  

Again, this has to do with the Pennsylvania state constitution.  Below you can see it gives specific reasons why a person may vote by mail.  I can't claim to know whether a national pandemic would provide a case in which the law could be ignored.  But as it is written, the risk of getting a virus is not included.  

 

https://www.aclupa.org/en/legislation/sb-421-election-reform

Senate Bill 421 (PN 1330) was signed by Governor Wolf on October 31, 2019 as Act 77 of 2019. It creates sweeping reforms to Pennsylvania's election law that will expand access to the ballot by:

• Changing the deadline to submit absentee ballots from 5 p.m. the Friday before the election - which is the earliest deadline in the country - to 8 p.m. on Election Day
• Creating a vote-by-mail option that will allow anyone to vote by mail without giving a reason for doing so. Currently, Pennsylvanians can only vote absentee for a limited number of reasons, which they attest to under penalty of law.
• Shrinking the voter registration deadline from 30 days before an election to 15 days before an election.

 

 

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