Doug Ford and Covid 19

[dialamah]

10 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Take a moment (an hour, actually) from your click-bait panic porn to watch some real science. Facts and data from the CDC's own website and the FDA.  And then tell me again, why we're listening to politicians and not scientists.

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AAPS - The Association of American Physicians and Surgeons is a politically conservative non-profit association that promotes medical disinformation, such as HIV/AIDS denialism, the abortion-breast cancer hypothesis, vaccine and autism connections, and homosexuality reducing life expectancy. Wikipepedia

What they oppose:  abortion;  gun control;  health care reform (opposition to Texas House Bill 2029, which was written to address the medical workforce shortage and improve public access to healthcare);  

AAPS co-signed a letter to the Surgeon General of the United States Jerome Adams with the anti-LGBT group American College of Pediatricians, the Catholic Medical Association, and the pro conversion therapy group the Alliance for Therapeutic Choice and Scientific Integrity.

APS published an article claiming that then-candidate Barack Obama was captivating his audiences through hypnosis.

AAPS filed a lawsuit against the Food and Drug Administration to "end its arbitrary interference with the use of hydroxychloroquine (HCQ)."^[63][64] The group's position was used to justify President Donald Trump taking HCQ as protection against COVID-19 by his campaign manager Brad Parscale.^[65] Several AAPS members and supporters went on the record advocating for HCQ as an effective treatment against COVID-19, led by Ukrainian-American physician Vladimir Zelenko with a three-drug regimen of off-label hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and Azithromycin as part of an experimental outpatient treatment for COVID-19 that became known as the Zelenko Protocol

How strange is it that a group you seem to think has the "truth" is on the opposite side of almost every other scientist - from promoting a debunked experimental cocktail of drugs to treat covid, while now promoting the danger of a treatment that has proven effective in reducing the transmission of Covid, as well as it's severity of the illness if it's contracted.

Oh, I just heard your guy say "that people who've taken the vaccine are permanently disabled;  the vaccine has only been available since December, not even a year so how can he possibly conclude there are permanently disabled people?  Even long-haul Covid patients who have been affected up to a year and a half are not yet considered "permanently" disabled because the data isn't there, yet. It takes a lot longer than a few months to write off the ability of people to recover.  So why is your guy claiming that people are permanently disabled within a few months at most?  

There's so much stuff he's claiming that don't make sense or are not supported by credible data.  

You should do some research on your 'sources', make sure they're credible and haven't promoted and supported whacko theories or campaigned against measures that would actually help people.

[Boges]

Just now, Goddess said:

Great..  Now you can go back to getting your science from Global News.

See this is the moronic nature of your debating style. 

Do you think the MSM just makes these reports up from whole cloth? NO! There is always citation and some report behind it. 

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, dialamah said:

There's so much stuff he's claiming that don't make sense or are not supported by credible data.  

1.  You didn't watch the video.

2. You discount everything he says and try to discredit him instead of trying to refute it.

3. Then why is he speaking at this meeting if he's so "whacko"?

4.  Any scientist that disproves your Global News reports (LOL) is automatically dismissed by you without even a second thought or giving it any consideration.  That much is obvious.

Please.

Edited October 8, 2021 by Goddess

[Boges]

Just now, Goddess said:

1.  You didn't watch the video.

2. You discount everything he says and try to discredit him instead of trying to refute it.

3. Then why is he speaking at this meeting if he's so "whacko"?

4.  Any scientist that disproves your Global News reports (LOL) is automatically dismissed by you without even a second thought or giving it any consideration.  That much is obvious.

Please.

I would discount anyone who'd speak at a conference for an organization that promotes conversion therapy. 

[Goddess]

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

Do you think the MSM just makes these reports up from whole cloth? NO! There is always citation and some report behind it. 

Good lord.

[Boges]

Just now, Goddess said:

Good lord.

Excellent retort. 

[dialamah]

2 minutes ago, Boges said:

You're cite involves a one hour video? 

Tell me if I'm wrong. This guy is saying that the deaths reported from the CDC VAERSE is too big a risk to have the vaccine on the market. 

I did watch a bit of it. 

The AAPS is a "medical" association for quacks and republican polticians - Rand Paul, for one. "In 1966, The New York Times described AAPS as an "ultra-right-wing ... political-economic rather than a medical group", and said some of its leaders were members of the John Birch Society.^[4]"

One of the members of AAPS has claimed that immigrants are bringing leprosy as part of an agenda to destroy American Health Care.  The group advocated against bans on indoor smoking.

I'm  listening to the talk; it's full of fear-mongering  hyperbole about the vaccine.  No wonder Goddess is scared.

[Boges]

It's lazy debating to just post a video and then tell people to "REFUTE THIS". 

What are we refuting? That the vaccine is dangerous? Based on what? VAERSE? That's patently ridiculous!

Especially if the organization advocates for HCQ. 

[dialamah]

12 minutes ago, Goddess said:

1.  You didn't watch the video.

2. You discount everything he says and try to discredit him instead of trying to refute it.

3. Then why is he speaking at this meeting if he's so "whacko"?

4.  Any scientist that disproves your Global News reports (LOL) is automatically dismissed by you without even a second thought or giving it any consideration.  That much is obvious.

Please.

1,  Yes, I am -- at this moment.  Muti-tasking as it were.

2. I'm discounting the organization he's speaking for.

3. Because even whackos can find an audience.  You, for instance.

4. Any scientist that disproves your whacko sources is automatically dismissed by you without even a second thought or giving it any consideration.  That much is obvious.

Please what?  I should listen to a group that promotes whacked out ideas, like "Obama is hypnotizing vast numbers of people" or "immigrants are spreading leprosy"?  Who supported tobacco companies in their fight against banning indoor smoking?

Give your head a shake.

Edited October 8, 2021 by dialamah

[dialamah]

LOL, this guy doesn't even understand how mutations work.  He's claiming the virus won't mutate if the vaccine remains n the same "because it doesn't have to".  Mutations don't care if they 'need' to or not; they just happen.  Every day, in every organism, at the DNA level.

Mutations can result from DNA copying mistakes made during cell division, exposure to ionizing radiation, exposure to chemicals called mutagens, or infection by viruses. Germ line mutations occur in the eggs and sperm and can be passed on to offspring, while somatic mutations occur in body cells and are not passed on.  From the National Human Genome Research Institute.

 

Edited October 8, 2021 by dialamah

[dialamah]

Oh, here he goes again - recommending "Covid parties" because "natural immunity" is the only way to beat Covid.  Never mind the 600,000+ Americans who died, even without trying to get Covid on purpose - or the millions of the others around the world who've died.

And people believe this.  Geeze.

Happy Goddess?  Mere common sense debunks this charlatan.

[Goddess]

1 hour ago, dialamah said:

Give your head a shake.

Give your's a shake.  You have argued for years that Muslims are able to do their jobs without their religion affecting it.    But somehow "conservative" scientists are full of baloney and unable to be objective in the pursuit of science.

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds at this point.

[Goddess]

56 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Never mind the 600,000+ Americans who died,

You are conflating deaths "with covid" and deaths "from covid."  It's a common mistake, given your reliance on Global News and MSM for your information.  There are many in the healthcare community are raising the same objection.  Your  "common sense", while common is making less and less sense to thinking people and many in the health and sciences professions.

[dialamah]

3 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Give your's a shake.  You have argued for years that Muslims are able to do their jobs without their religion affecting it.    But somehow "conservative" scientists are full of baloney and unable to be objective in the pursuit of science.

Your hypocrisy knows no bounds at this point.

Wow, you must be losing this debate hard to bring up old arguments.

Anyway, I don't disbelieve all conservative medical scientists; only the ones that join fringe organizations. 

Did you know there are roughly a million doctors in the US, along with about 4.7 million scientists?  Did you know that about half of them are Republican?  AAPS has around 5000 members, not all of whom are scientists or doctors.  Since the majority of doctors, scientists and other experts support vaccines, I can only suppose that the majority of conservative doctors, scientists and other experts do as well.  So I have no reason to disbelieve any doctor or scientist just because they are conservative.  

If an individual Muslim doctor joined the AAPS, I'd not believe him/her either.  But I wouldn't automatically believe or disbelieve a Muslim doctor merely because they are Muslim.  That's the difference between judging a "group" and judging "individuals".

Maybe you could start addressing the comments I made on the video and your hero, rather than attacking me, hmm?  

 

[Goddess]

29 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Wow, you must be losing this debate hard to bring up old arguments.

Anyway, I don't disbelieve all conservative medical scientists; only the ones that join fringe organizations. 

Did you know there are roughly a million doctors in the US, along with about 4.7 million scientists?  Did you know that about half of them are Republican?  AAPS has around 5000 members, not all of whom are scientists or doctors.  Since the majority of doctors, scientists and other experts support vaccines, I can only suppose that the majority of conservative doctors, scientists and other experts do as well.  So I have no reason to disbelieve any doctor or scientist just because they are conservative.  

If an individual Muslim doctor joined the AAPS, I'd not believe him/her either.  But I wouldn't automatically believe or disbelieve a Muslim doctor merely because they are Muslim.  That's the difference between judging a "group" and judging "individuals".

Maybe you could start addressing the comments I made on the video and your hero, rather than attacking me, hmm?  

 

It's become increasingly obvious that unless the scientist or factoid agrees with your pre-conceived, MSM and Global News panic and fear-mongering, no common sense views, it really doesn't matter.  You will find any reason to disagree  - even blaming the person's religion.

It will all come out eventually.  And I really really believe that you and your panic fueled, terror ridden  cohorts who want unvaxxed people sent to camps....are going to come out on the wrong side of history on this one.

[dialamah]

2 minutes ago, Goddess said:

t's become increasingly obvious that unless the scientist or factoid agrees with your pre-conceived, MSM and Global News panic and fear-mongering, no common sense views, it really doesn't matter.  You will find any reason to disagree  - even blaming the person's religion.

It will all come out eventually.  And I really really believe that you and your panic fueled, terror ridden  cohorts who want unvaxxed people sent to camps....are going to come out on the wrong side of history on this one.

I've never said I want people sent to camps.  But I suppose if you aren't able to see people as individuals and must instead lump them all together into some group so you can either "adore" or "hate" them, you'll believe I've said all the worst things people have said about anti-vaxers.

Anyway, I'm getting bored.  Can you do better to engage in a conversation, or are insults, misreprensentation and lies the best you can manage?

[Goddess]

20 minutes ago, dialamah said:

I suppose if you aren't able to see people as individuals and must instead lump them all together into some group so you can either "adore" or "hate" them

Excuse me?  You're the one advocating unvaxxed people be segregated from society - be careful what you wish for. Your voice is added to the ones calling for camps and killings of the unvaxxed.  You're the one with zero common sense.  Vaxxed people are spreading covid and dying of it, but you're okay with vaxxed people being part of society.  Quickly googling something to support your views is not the same as being receptive to what is changing day by day.  Don't act like quickly googling something to support your panic porn views is in any way the same as someone making informed decisions about their health.

[Goddess]

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[Boges]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

You are conflating deaths "with covid" and deaths "from covid."  It's a common mistake, given your reliance on Global News and MSM for your information.  There are many in the healthcare community are raising the same objection.  Your  "common sense", while common is making less and less sense to thinking people and many in the health and sciences professions.

When someone dies "with COVID" because they can't breath or experience acute organ failure. What would you attribute it to? 

[Boges]

20 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Excuse me?  You're the one advocating unvaxxed people be segregated from society - be careful what you wish for. Your voice is added to the ones calling for camps and killings of the unvaxxed.  You're the one with zero common sense.  Vaxxed people are spreading covid and dying of it, but you're okay with vaxxed people being part of society.  Quickly googling something to support your views is not the same as being receptive to what is changing day by day.  Don't act like quickly googling something to support your panic porn views is in any way the same as someone making informed decisions about their health.

Are unvaxxed being locked in their homes? 

They're just being restricted from large indoor gatherings. 

[Goddess]

29 minutes ago, Boges said:

They're just being restricted from large indoor gatherings. 

And small indoor gatherings and family Thanksgivings.

[Infidel Dog]

25 minutes ago, Boges said:

Are unvaxxed being locked in their homes? 

They're just being restricted from large indoor gatherings. 

They are in Australia. Or at least they have been restricted to within 5 kilometers of their homes. They're also building a megacamp for what, we don't exactly know. We only know it's supposedly Covid related and it won't be finished until 2024,

So how far are we from them I wonder when the goalposts shift every week.

[dialamah]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

Excuse me?  You're the one advocating unvaxxed people be segregated from society - be careful what you wish for. Your voice is added to the ones calling for camps and killings of the unvaxxed.  You're the one with zero common sense.  Vaxxed people are spreading covid and dying of it, but you're okay with vaxxed people being part of society.  Quickly googling something to support your views is not the same as being receptive to what is changing day by day.  Don't act like quickly googling something to support your panic porn views is in any way the same as someone making informed decisions about their health.

Excuse me?  You're the one advocating that people not get vaccinated - be careful what you wish for. Your voice is added to the ones calling for millions more deaths because herd immunity is so much better.  You're the one with zero common sense.  Unvaxxed people are getting Covid and dying of it in far greater numbers than vaxxed people, but you're okay with that, as long as you don't have to be socially responsibly.  Quickly googling something to support your views is not the same as being receptive to what experts and peer reviewed studies have shown throughout this pandemic.  Don't act like quickly googling something to support your panic porn views is in any way the same as someone making informed decisions about their health.

See how those words work both ways.  

Anyway, you're only worth ignoring at this point.  

[dialamah]

1 hour ago, Infidel Dog said:

They are in Australia. Or at least they have been restricted to within 5 kilometers of their homes. They're also building a megacamp for what, we don't exactly know. We only know it's supposedly Covid related and it won't be finished until 2024,

So how far are we from them I wonder when the goalposts shift every week.

Do you believe everything you read on Facebook?

A Facebook post claims Australians who are not fully vaccinated for COVID-19 by the end of the year will be put into isolation camps.

 

There are no plans to put unvaccinated Australians into isolation camps – and the screenshot used to circulate the claim is from a hoax social media account.

7NEWS has a number of city and state-based Instagram accounts, including 7NEWS Melbourne, 7NEWS Sydney and 7NEWS Queensland, however it does not have an account with the handle “7newsvictoria”. No such user could be found on Instagram at the time of writing.

In an email to AAP FactCheck, a spokesman for the media company said: “7NEWS has never published this and the account is fake.”

But I get it; you'll insist your fake news is the real deal, because anything that makes you even a potential victim of government oppression must be true.

Edited October 8, 2021 by dialamah

[Goddess]

2 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

They are in Australia. Or at least they have been restricted to within 5 kilometers of their homes. They're also building a megacamp for what, we don't exactly know. We only know it's supposedly Covid related and it won't be finished until 2024,

So how far are we from them I wonder when the goalposts shift every week.

They are calling them "Mandatory Quarantine Camps."

Which makes me wonder what the concentration camps were marketed as to the German public?  I doubt the townspeople were told what was really going to be happening there when the "facilities were being built.

Dialamah will be one of those old German women who complained to the authorities that there are "ashes" getting all over her nice clean clothes on the clothesline......can't they do something about that?

I'm astonished that all this is rolling along, in just a year and half.  But I guess it didn't take long in 1938, either.