Did Trudeau Fail His Country On Covid-19

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, eyeball said:

Once to Buffalo as a kid, once to Hawaii as a wedding gift and a couple times to visit family...like I said a handful. Then there were all the times I fished out on the Fence in disputed waters. So several more times probably according to your Coast Guard but they never did bust me so....

 

Gee...just can't seem to stay away from the evil USA....better work on that if you are afraid of the virus.

Here is a U.S. hosted server....and U.S. forum engine.    You're welcome.

[eyeball]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Gee...just can't seem to stay away from the evil USA....better work on that if you are afraid of the virus.

Done and done.

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Here is a U.S. hosted server....and U.S. forum engine.    You're welcome.

I am indeed.  Sucker.

[Right To Left]

On 5/7/2020 at 8:11 PM, WestCanMan said:

The US federal government did far better than the Canadian gov't did. Like I said, we are naturally social-distanced to a great extent by our geography.

AT what? Maybe it's living in Southern Ontario, but I don't consider where I live to be as 'socially distanced' as I was for 9 years while I was living and working in the US.

Maybe there's too many of us crowded along the Great Lakes/St. Lawrence River region, who didn't or couldn't move north. Maybe climate change will take care of that problem....if it doesn't fry us all first!

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In the US there were extremely bad decisions made at the state and local levels which will eventually have to be sorted out.

You really need to try to find someone connected with the Trump Administration, cause Donnie and the boys are really struggling now trying to make up excuses for their failures and continued bad judgment! 

During an emergency....any emergency, it ultimately falls on the federal government to deal with the crisis and make sure money and resources are in place to deal with the crisis or reduce harm as quickly as possible. 

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It seems as though old-age care facilities were being forced to take in covid patients in NY state. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/coronavirus-spreads-new-york-nursing-home-forced-take-recovering-patients-n1191811 (The same types of things happened in Mtl.)

If that's true, and if there were already covid-only hospitals set up at the time that had room for more patients, there will be hell to pay. It's always tough to say what's what with covid though, because some people have it for a long time before they get symptoms, or they never get them at all. There could have been covid carriers in all those care homes for a long time which nobody even suspected.

 

Big IF in that 2nd paragraph! 

There seems to be empty beds in NY hospitals now, but according to your NBC source, it was in late March when decision was made by Gov. Cuomo to send covid patients to some nursing homes in NYC. And that was during the height of the pandemic in New York, when patients were waiting in hallways and emergency rooms were overcrowded.

Be that as it may, we do know now that Cuomo's administration has kept cutting hospital and related medical care funding, even in the current year. So, with a bed shortage that was putting the system at the breaking point already, there was no room in many hospitals for thousands of sick people coming in with this brand new virus. 

So, that's on Cuomo! And if that doesn't blow up this goofy idea many pro-business Democrats have of swapping out hapless and hopeless Joe for the dynamic and surprisingly popular New York Governor as presidential candidate, then it's further proof that the Dems don't have a clue how to win.....or don't want to win anyway!

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Would you care to cite some rural US stats? I'm not going to go looking for them to suit you. 

That should be on you to prove, NOT me!  Because you're the one who proposed...with no supporting evidence, that the #1 difference between covid infection rates between Canada and the US is population density. I say horseshit, because Canada has more wide open spaces where few people live...like in the far north, than in the lower 48 of the US. 

Here's How Quickly Coronavirus Is Spreading in Your State

A TIME analysis of the per capita spread of the epidemic in all 50 states and Washington, D.C. found considerable range in the rate of contagion, and, in some parts of the country, a significant disparity compared to the national figure. The U.S., unlike nations such as South Korea and now Italy, has yet to show signs of bringing the runaway spread of the virus under control. However, while no single state is yet showing strong signs of bending the curve, some are faring much worse than others.

 

 

But density is far from the only explanation for the disparity. California, the 11th densest state is faring considerably better than the country as a whole, with a per capita rate of 38 cases per 100,000 residents compared to national figure of 103. California’s success is widely attributed to its early exposure to the virus when the benighted Grand Princess cruise ship lingered in the San Francisco Bay, prompting the state to encourage social distancing much earlier than other parts of the country.

By comparison, Louisiana, a far more rural state, is overwhelmed with 280 cases per 100,000 residents—a ballooning crisis that may have been abetted by Mardi Gras in February, before “social distancing” was a household-bound term.

[Right To Left]

On 5/7/2020 at 5:31 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

The U.S. is actually doing far better than some nations in Europe, especially the United Kingdom with their NHS:

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

Well, even after Thatcher turned everything upside down in England and successive Conservative and "Third Way" Blairite Labour Governments kept underfunding and defunding the NHS, the majority of Brits want the NHS strengthened and improved/ NOT replaced with for-profit medicine. The Brits started the NHS because during times like these, when infectious diseases are spreading, that's a time when everyone with a brain becomes a socialist....at least on the subject of healthcare! Fact remains that if contagious diseases are allowed to spread unchecked through a population, a lot of people are going to die before any 'herd immunity' can diminish the consequences of the disease. 

Boris Johnson was preaching the virtues of herd immunity and going about in early March...shaking hands with public audiences, and then he had to be rushed to the hospital and was in ICU for several days at death's door before he realized the error and started applying some of the time-honored methods of dealing with incurable diseases: social distancing, frequent cleaning and handwashing and quarantining those who are contagious.

Here in Canada, things have gone better across most of the country because...as much of a needy, cloying dweeb as Justin Trudeau is, he does have enough sense to listen to his science advisers and take proper precautions.

[WestCanMan]

 

5 hours ago, Right To Left said:

AT what?

They did better than Canada at fighting covid, obviously. 

Do you get that doing absolutely nothing to fight covid until March 16th was really bad? Do you get that every country who successfully fought covid took the exact opposite strategy from us on travel bans?

Do you get that actively telling people not to wear masks was really bad? Do you get that every country that successfully fought covid did the exact same thing with masks, the common sense thing, the thing that Drs and scientists have been doing for 100 years, but our gov't told us not to do? 

WTF IS YOUR PROBLEM DUDE? You're busy trying to look into the intricacies of where the virus is spreading in the US, and assigning your partisan reasons for it, that's obviously just some retarded, deflecting bullshit.

In MID-JANUARY, the Chinese gov't already knew that masks were important. https://globalnews.ca/news/6858818/coronavirus-china-united-front-canada-protective-equipment-shortage/ Why did it take months after that for our gov't to figure it out?

THE ABSOLUTE, UNDISPUTED FACT OF THE MATTER IS THAT OUR GOVERNMENT DIDN'T DO A SINGLE GOD-DAMNED THING TO FIGHT COVID UNTIL MARCH 16TH. THEIR MAIN CONTRIBUTION TO THAT POINT WAS GIVING BAD ADVICE AND CALLING PEOPLE RACISTS FOR BEING SMARTER THAN THEM. 45 DAYS AFTER THE US AND DOZENS OF OTHER COUNTRIES WERE ALREADY DOING THE MAIN THINGS RIGHT. OUR GOVERNMENT WAS ACTIVELY SPREADING BAD ADVICE. OUR GOVERNMENT STILL HASN'T WOKEN UP TO THE FACT THAT THE WHO SCREWED THE PLANET. IT'S A FUCKIN' JOKE AND YOU"RE TELLING ME THAT YOU DON'T SEE THAT?

Why is the US in bad shape? That has nothing to do with how bad Trudeau screwed up, but maybe a big part of their problem is that 50% of the country is still stupid enough to listen to Pelosi, and at the end of FEBRUARY she was still telling people to gather in huge throngs and hug each other. 

Yeah I get that you hate Trump and you hope that Americans die so that Trump looks bad, but remember that the main people who were actively giving BAD ADVICE on both sides of the border were our government and the Dems. 

Don't wear masks, go to Chinatown and get into these large groups, travel bans are racist.... Can you explain to me how the leftists in NA got the fight against covid right? NO ONE ON THE PLANET DID A WORSE JOB OF FIGHTING COVID OR GIVING COVID ADVICE THAN OUR LEFTIST DOLTS.

 

[Zeitgeist]

While perhaps they are all “dolts”, our dolts have done relatively well compared to some dolts in other countries, but if our federal response was more coordinated, you still have to look province to province and state to state.   BC and California are pretty good models, but now we have to look at how the reopening is managed.  That’s a new set of circumstances.

Your partisan hyper-support of Trump doesn’t resonate with most people, I bet even among many Republicans.  

[WestCanMan]

14 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

While perhaps they are all “dolts”, our dolts have done relatively well compared to some dolts in other countries, but if our federal response was more coordinated, you still have to look province to province and state to state.   BC and California are pretty good models, but now we have to look at how the reopening is managed.  That’s a new set of circumstances.

Your partisan hyper-support of Trump doesn’t resonate with most people, I bet even among many Republicans.  

If your grandma/mom/wife/sister/daughter worked in a physical rehabilitation wing of the hospital, and her boss told her not to wear a mask, and to let people with COVID come into her wing and walk about freely, would you have a problem with that? Why is it any different from our government? 

Our government told us not to wear masks, and they let people with covid waltz right on in here with unfettered access to every inch of our country. It is the exact same thing, on a grand scale.

On Apr 3rd Trump started telling Americans to wear masks https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-03/trump-says-cdc-suggests-use-of-cloth-masks-to-prevent-virus but our government still hadn't changed their tune. Masks BAD!!! https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/to-wear-or-not-to-wear-canadian-doctors-weigh-in-on-use-of-face-masks-for-all-1.4880928

 

I knew that telling people not to wear masks was stupid. Trudeau didn't. You didn't. History proved me right. Do you still believe that masks are bad? Do you still believe that banning travel from China was racist? 

I think we both know that it's time to get rid of the village idiot.

 

People who were saying this: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-scheer-conservatives-raise-concerns-about-who-data-relationship-with/ a long time ago are smart. People who still defend the catastrophic advice of the WHO & our moronic, myopic government are just plain stupid. 

[WestCanMan]

10 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Gee...just can't seem to stay away from the evil USA....better work on that if you are afraid of the virus.

Here is a U.S. hosted server....and U.S. forum engine.    You're welcome.

Damn, the FBI is watching. Maybe I'll tone down the level of truth here so that I don't get a bullseye on my back. 

[Argus]

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

If your grandma/mom/wife/sister/daughter worked in a physical rehabilitation wing of the hospital, and her boss told her not to wear a mask, and to let people with COVID come into her wing and walk about freely, would you have a problem with that? Why is it any different from our government? 

Our government told us not to wear masks, and they let people with covid waltz right on in here with unfettered access to every inch of our country. It is the exact same thing, on a grand scale.

On Apr 3rd Trump started telling Americans to wear masks https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-03/trump-says-cdc-suggests-use-of-cloth-masks-to-prevent-virus but our government still hadn't changed their tune. Masks BAD!!! https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/to-wear-or-not-to-wear-canadian-doctors-weigh-in-on-use-of-face-masks-for-all-1.4880928

 

I knew that telling people not to wear masks was stupid. Trudeau didn't. You didn't. History proved me right. Do you still believe that masks are bad? Do you still believe that banning travel from China was racist? 

I think we both know that it's time to get rid of the village idiot.

 

People who were saying this: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-scheer-conservatives-raise-concerns-about-who-data-relationship-with/ a long time ago are smart. People who still defend the catastrophic advice of the WHO & our moronic, myopic government are just plain stupid. 

You’re just illustrating ignorance here.  Health care workers were always told to wear masks.  The main reason we were told not to rush to all wear masks was because there weren’t enough, and what few were available were needed for healthcare workers.  There was also worry that people would assume wearing a mask is sufficient protection and people who aren’t used to wearing them might touch their faces.  I’m tired of repeating myself.  You’re a propaganda machine.  

[New World Disorder]

11 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Gee...just can't seem to stay away from the evil USA....better work on that if you are afraid of the virus.

Here is a U.S. hosted server....and U.S. forum engine.    You're welcome.

This is quite the shtick you got going on here. It's a lot of work to maintain this stance. You must be tired, take a break.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

You’re just illustrating ignorance here.  Health care workers were always told to wear masks.  The main reason we were told not to rush to all wear masks was because there weren’t enough, and what few were available were needed for healthcare workers.  There was also worry that people would assume wearing a mask is sufficient protection and people who aren’t used to wearing them might touch their faces.  I’m tired of repeating myself.  You’re a propaganda machine.  

I'm making a comparison to health workers so that YOU UNDERSTAND that wearing masks has ALWAYS BEEN considered protection from getting/spreading diseases, period. 

I already understand that wearing masks is beneficial. I never doubted it. Most people are in the same boat as me. 

The WHO should NEVER have been telling the world not to cover their virus vents. NEVER. Our government never should have done it either. Period. You're so full of excuses. 

Did Trump ever tell Americans not to wear masks? I never even thought to check before. If he did then at least moron Demwits would have one good reason to criticize him for something. 

 

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, WestCanMan said:

Why is the US in bad shape? That has nothing to do with how bad Trudeau screwed up, but maybe a big part of their problem is that 50% of the country is still stupid enough to listen to Pelosi, and at the end of FEBRUARY she was still telling people to gather in huge throngs and hug each other. 

Perhaps a better question is why Canada is doing better?  Maybe the answer is that most Canadians were smart enough to figure out themselves they better take precautions and listened more closely to what their provincial and local governments were saying than Trudeau.

Think about it for an hour or so and you just might perceive the possibility that more Canadians can see Trudeau's basic ineffectualness than you're allowing for.  Unfortunately the only allowance you do seem capable of granting anyone is one that's based on whether they have their tongue shoved up Trump's ass like yours.  That's it, that's your whole problem in a nutshell.

[bush_cheney2004]

9 hours ago, Right To Left said:

Well, even after Thatcher turned everything upside down in England and successive Conservative and "Third Way" Blairite Labour Governments kept underfunding and defunding the NHS, the majority of Brits want the NHS strengthened and improved/ NOT replaced with for-profit medicine.

 

That's great, but the NHS has not been the differentiator for COVID-19 deaths in the UK compared to America.   Italy also has a national single payer health insurance program....still not so good.   Michael Bloomberg bragged about his health care initiatives in New York City....still didn't matter, because other relevant factors are in play.

[WestCanMan]

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Perhaps a better question is why Canada is doing better? 

We're not doing better than the US, we're doing better than the New York MSA.

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Maybe the answer is that most Canadians were smart enough to figure out themselves they better take precautions and listened more closely to what their provincial and local governments were saying than Trudeau.

Think about it for an hour or so and you just might perceive the possibility that more Canadians can see Trudeau's basic ineffectualness than you're allowing for.  Unfortunately the only allowance you do seem capable of granting anyone is one that's based on whether they have their tongue shoved up Trump's ass like yours.  That's it, that's your whole problem in a nutshell.

So you're saying that because Canadians are too smart to listen to the village idiot, he didn't fail us?

[bush_cheney2004]

1 hour ago, New World Disorder said:

This is quite the shtick you got going on here. It's a lot of work to maintain this stance. You must be tired, take a break.

 

No...it never gets old...because even if I dropped dead today...America would still dominate many topics here.

[eyeball]

14 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

We're not doing better than the US, we're doing better than the New York MSA.

MSA? Is this a continent in the geography book you use?  Last time I looked New York was still in the USA as opposed to the other way around as you seem to think is the case in California LA.

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So you're saying that because Canadians are too smart to listen to the village idiot, he didn't fail us? 

It certainly helped compared to other places where people paid attention to the village idiot running their country.

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[bush_cheney2004]

19 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

We're not doing better than the US, we're doing better than the New York MSA.

So you're saying that because Canadians are too smart to listen to the village idiot, he didn't fail us?

 

Yes....that's what it looks like.   Many Canadians stopped listening to the village idiot even before COVID-19.

[WestCanMan]

36 minutes ago, eyeball said:

MSA? Is this a continent in the geography book you use?  Last time I looked New York was still in the USA as opposed to the other way around as you seem to think is the case in California LA.

Metro area.

Vancouver's population is only 700K. That's a useless stat. The GVRD population is 2.5M, which is more representative of the area.

Toronto's pop is only 2.9M. GTA is 6M. That number means a bit more. 

If you weren't familiar with Vcr or TO then you wouldn't know to use the terminology GTA or GVRD, but you could type in MSA, metropolitan statistical area, to get the same info. 

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Metro area.

Vancouver's population is only 700K. That's a useless stat. The GVRD population is 2.5M, which is more representative of the area.

Toronto's pop is only 2.9M. GTA is 6M. That number means a bit more. 

If you weren't familiar with Vcr or TO then you wouldn't know to use the terminology GTA or GVRD, but you could type in MSA, metropolitan statistical area, to get the same info. 

If you were familiar with geography you'd realize the world is carved up into countries which is what we're talking about.  Notice the word Country you put in the thread title?

[WestCanMan]

24 minutes ago, eyeball said:

If you were familiar with geography you'd realize the world is carved up into countries which is what we're talking about.  Notice the word Country you put in the thread title?

Riiiiight. Country.

Trudeau failed our country. Verified. I've posted plenty of video and articles that prove that Trudeau didn't do anything until March 16th to protect us from covid. He banned travel from foreign countries 45 days afer Trump, he told us not to wear masks, and even after Trump had started recommending that Americans wear them Canadians were advised not to. 

I have a hunch that the people who still don't know why the USA is a bad comp for Canada would suddenly get their unnerstannin' hatz on if I compared Canada to Greenland. It's a partisan thing. 

 

[Zeitgeist]

7 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Riiiiight. Country.

Trudeau failed our country. Verified. I've posted plenty of video and articles that prove that Trudeau didn't do anything until March 16th to protect us from covid. He banned travel from foreign countries 45 days afer Trump, he told us not to wear masks, and even after Trump had started recommending that Americans wear them Canadians were advised not to. 

I have a hunch that the people who still don't know why the USA is a bad comp for Canada would suddenly get their unnerstannin' hatz on if I compared Canada to Greenland. It's a partisan thing. 

 

Where do you live "WestCanMan"?  Are you actually in Canada?  It seems like you haven't been exposed to the same media most Canadians have experienced.  The country went into fairly widespread shutdown on March 14.  The heavy messaging started after that.  Within a week the country was pretty much where it is now in terms of shutdowns and has stayed that way.  There has been some very tentative reopening in a few provinces over the past week.  If you enter a park you can still get a ticket.  Masks are required where social distancing can't be maintained.  It's pretty tight.  The hospitals haven't been overwhelmed here and most of the Covid deaths, 75-80%, have been in seniors' homes.  The major cities in Central Canada are still concerning and shouldn't open up too much for a while, but they will reopen like everywhere else that wants to have a reasonably functioning economy by the end of this.     

[bush_cheney2004]

11 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Where do you live "WestCanMan"?  Are you actually in Canada?  It seems like you haven't been exposed to the same media most Canadians have experienced.  The country went into fairly widespread shutdown on March 14.  The heavy messaging started after that.  Within a week the country was pretty much where it is now in terms of shutdowns and has stayed that way.  

 

OK, but in British Columbia / Vancouver Island, Kitsilano Beach, Whistler, etc. people flouted the distancing rules early and often.

 

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[eyeball]

25 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

OK, but in British Columbia / Vancouver Island, Kitsilano Beach, Whistler, etc. people flouted the distancing rules early and often.

We had people dragging logs across roads on my Vancouver Island on Mar 17th, we had police checkpoints a week later.  You must be talking about a different Vancouver Island.

As early as Mar 7th crews on BC ferries to my Island were flouting Transport Canada regulations that said passengers needed to exit their vehicles and moooove upstairs with everyone else.

That's right...

 

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[WestCanMan]

48 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Where do you live "WestCanMan"?  Are you actually in Canada?  It seems like you haven't been exposed to the same media most Canadians have experienced.  The country went into fairly widespread shutdown on March 14.  The heavy messaging started after that.  Within a week the country was pretty much where it is now in terms of shutdowns and has stayed that way.  There has been some very tentative reopening in a few provinces over the past week.  If you enter a park you can still get a ticket.  Masks are required where social distancing can't be maintained.  It's pretty tight.  The hospitals haven't been overwhelmed here and most of the Covid deaths, 75-80%, have been in seniors' homes.  The major cities in Central Canada are still concerning and shouldn't open up too much for a while, but they will reopen like everywhere else that wants to have a reasonably functioning economy by the end of this.     

I live in BC, but I grew up in Alberta and I've also lived in Halifax.

March 14th, really? Listen to this dipshit's own words on March 13th: https://toronto.citynews.ca/video/2020/03/13/trudeau-on-why-canada-is-not-banning-international-travel/ Are you sure that you're in Canada?

We still had our airports open for international travellers on March 14th. Nice, big crowded airports with no social distancing regulations or screening of passengers whatsoever. Travellers from Italy, Spain, the UK and China could waltz right in and go eat in any restaurant in Canada, ride on our transit, swim in our pools, etc. A week later we couldn't even walk in a public park a few blocks from our own home.  

International travel wasn't banned until March 16th, because the properties of viral transmission suddenly changed in those 3 days. Watch the little moron say that somehow the gov't was protecting Canadians prior to that, although they still hadn't ever done anything yet:  https://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/justin-trudeaus-address-to-the-nation-on-border-restrictions-full-transcript/

You're the one who doesn't seem overly concerned with the plight of Canadians, while you're deeply concerned about US deaths. Are you sure that you're not from NJ or NY?