Did Trudeau Fail His Country On Covid-19

cannuck · March 30, 2020

36 minutes ago, Argus said:

And yet medical people routinely use surgical masks around patients. And they are not sealed. They wear them to prevent their own germs from infecting the patient, yes. But it should work equally well on anyone else. If I am talking to you and I unknowingly have the virus would it not be better for you if I'm wearing such a mask?

It MIGHT be, and for that reason, I would not discourage use. However, in my technical, logical world, it is more of a vain effort than a probable benefit.

Bottom line is: I don't get to make the laws of physics, I just have to live by them.

Edited March 30, 2020 by cannuck

marcus · March 30, 2020

On 3/22/2020 at 9:37 PM, WestCanMan said:

I absolutely hate Trudeau.

His handling of covid has been a complete joke compared to Trump, and yet we have Canadians beaking off about Trump like he somehow did worse than blankie boy.

Still feel the same?

Shady · March 30, 2020

3 minutes ago, marcus said:

Still feel the same?

Yes. Trudeau hasn't done anything that Trump hasn't, except Trump did them sooner.

marcus · March 30, 2020

7 minutes ago, Shady said:

Yes. Trudeau hasn't done anything that Trump hasn't, except Trump did them sooner.

You keep saying that but the proof shows that their approaches and actions (or inactions) have resulted in different outcomes in each country.

I think we're finally seeing Trump succumb to reality and he's no longer promising "return to the usual by mid-April".

Shady · March 30, 2020

13 minutes ago, marcus said:

You keep saying that but the proof shows that their approaches and actions (or inactions) have resulted in different outcomes in each country.

I think we're finally seeing Trump succumb to reality and he's no longer promising "return to the usual by mid-April".

Which approaches and actions?

marcus · March 30, 2020

1 hour ago, Shady said:

Which approaches and actions?

You haven't been following?

Trump has been in denial of the effects of this pandemic until very recently. He is still contradicting the top health officials in his own administration.

Here is a brief rundown of the differences in approach. But also, do look at the number of infected as well in each country and the trajectory of where they are going. This has very much to do with how each countries responded:

Edited March 30, 2020 by marcus

Shady · March 30, 2020

6 minutes ago, marcus said:

You haven't been following?

Trump has been in denial of the effects of this pandemic until very recently. He is still contradicting the top health officials in his own administration.

Here is a brief rundown of the differences in approach. But also, do look at the number of infected as well in each country and the trajectory of where they are going. This has very much to do with how each countries responded:

He acted sooner than Trudeau did. He hasn't done anything in terms of policy that we haven't done. Except he did them first. Sorry. It's not his fault that the New York City government acted so irresponsibly and told citizens to ignore the corona virus and go about their regular lives. It's not his fault the Louisanna governor didn't cancel Mardi Gras. It's not his fault Florida springbreakers were allowed to get together. He has no control over that. States and municipalities do.

marcus · March 30, 2020

1 minute ago, Shady said:

He acted sooner than Trudeau did. He hasn't done anything in terms of policy that we haven't done. Except he did them first. Sorry.

He acted sooner in what exactly?

You tell me how the approaches of the Canadian government has been the same or how U.S. acted sooner.

Shady · March 30, 2020

5 minutes ago, marcus said:

He acted sooner in what exactly?

You tell me how the approaches of the Canadian government has been the same or how U.S. acted sooner.

Travel restrictions were enacted earlier in the United States than in Canada.

eyeball · March 30, 2020

4 hours ago, Argus said:

Why do you think we maintain a 2 meter distance, btw if the disease is not aerosolized?

To lower the chances we touch one another...either inadvertently or absentmindedly - shaking hands, showing someone something on your phone, a picture in your wallet. All the normal things human beings have been conditioned to do normally all their lives. Learning new social norms is just not going to happen overnight without actual conscious efforts to make it happen.

Argus · March 30, 2020

3 hours ago, cannuck said:

It MIGHT be, and for that reason, I would not discourage use. However, in my technical, logical world, it is more of a vain effort than a probable benefit.

Bottom line is: I don't get to make the laws of physics, I just have to live by them.

Well, I don't claim to be any sort of expert on the subject. But it seems to me that if a nurse wears it so her germs won't get on a patient if she coughs then it ought to work the same way for me. Mind you, this is an academic argument since the morons in charge never imagined there could be an epidemic and so we have no stock and nobody who makes the masks anyway.

Argus · March 30, 2020

2 hours ago, Shady said:

Yes. Trudeau hasn't done anything that Trump hasn't, except Trump did them sooner.

To my mind you're talking about Dumb and Dumber and praising Dumb to high heaven as a wonderful leader.

Argus · March 30, 2020

42 minutes ago, Shady said:

He acted sooner than Trudeau did. He hasn't done anything in terms of policy that we haven't done.

Well, I'd say acting sulky and suggesting that if governors want help from the federal government's stocks they better be nice to him and say nice things about him is at least a little different.

Most of Canada's response to this has been by the provinces. The federal government has only really brought in economic responses to the economic issues the epidemic raised. So to my mind Trudeau and his government have done pretty much nothing about fighting the actual virus itself.

Trudeau's failure was in not closing the border earlier. And in failure to check people coming in across the border, something which continues to this day.

In the US, however, the federal CDC screwed up royally. They insisted on developing their own test rather than using the ones already available, and banned private labs from processing any of those other tests or the ones they developed. Then it took too long to develop their own test, and when they did it didn't work, which required another long delay. Then it took them too long to make more test kits and too long to approve private labs processing them. Because of this the US was very, very slow to get off its ass and start testing people. As a result, the US, despite closing the border earlier, lost its chance to gain control of the virus before it spread far and wide into community transmission. They have a higher rate of infection and a higher death rate than us.

42 minutes ago, Shady said:

Except he did them first. Sorry. It's not his fault that the New York City government acted so irresponsibly and told citizens to ignore the corona virus and go about their regular lives. It's not his fault the Louisanna governor didn't cancel Mardi Gras. It's not his fault Florida springbreakers were allowed to get together. He has no control over that. States and municipalities do.

Yeah, it kind of was, because his attitude drove theirs. The Louisana governor said he allowed mardi gras to continue because the administration's attitude was that this was no big deal. Because of Trump's attitude Republican controlled states were far behind the curve both in testing and in closing things down. Many are still far behind the curve.

WestCanMan · March 30, 2020

8 hours ago, Boges said:

So in this era when medical professionals can't get enough N95 masks, your solution is to fit EVERYONE!!!! with N95 masks.

Or people could, you know, just stay the fuck home. And when you do go out don't touch your face and wash your hands a lot.

Where in my post did you see that this is the time and place to buy some masks and stroll around?

Congrats on winning your straw-man argument Boges.

WestCanMan · March 30, 2020

3 hours ago, marcus said:

Still feel the same?

Of course, why wouldn't I?

All I can judge people by is the actions that they took, or failed to take.

Trudeau did nothing this whole time but plan a spending $100 billion spree. He didn't close off routes for the virus to get into the country until we had to shut the entire country down, he didn't do a damn thing except say things like "shutting down incoming flights from covid hotspots is unnecessary, the risk to Canadians is low".

March 18th: Visitors can fly into the country, walk through a crowded airport, they only need to self-quarantine if the mood strikes them, they can hop on our subways and skytrain, they can go eat at a buffet, no one is practicing social distancing.... it's all good.

March 28th: Canadians face mandatory quarantine upon returning to the country or face a maximum $1M fine or 6 months in jail, restaurants are closed, schools are closed, all non-essential workplaces are closed, kids can't even play baseball outside, you can't even go for a walk in a 20 sq km park.

Can you NAME ONE THING that Trudeau did to slow the progress of the virus into Canada before March 19th, when he finally just copied Trump 45 days later? ONE THING MARCUS. Just one thing.

Boges · March 30, 2020

3 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

Of course, why wouldn't I?

All I can judge people by is the actions that they took, or failed to take.

Trudeau did nothing this whole time but plan a spending $100 billion spree. He didn't close off routes for the virus to get into the country until we had to shut the entire country down, he didn't do a damn thing except say things like "shutting down incoming flights from covid hotspots is unnecessary, the risk to Canadians is low".

March 18th: Visitors can fly into the country, walk through a crowded airport, they only need to self-quarantine if the mood strikes them, they can hop on our subways and skytrain, they can go eat at a buffet, no one is practicing social distancing.... it's all good.

March 28th: Canadians face mandatory quarantine upon returning to the country or face a maximum $1M fine or 6 months in jail, restaurants are closed, schools are closed, all non-essential workplaces are closed, kids can't even play baseball outside, you can't even go for a walk in a 20 sq km park.

Can you NAME ONE THING that Trudeau did to slow the progress of the virus into Canada before March 19th, when he finally just copied Trump 45 days later? ONE THING MARCUS. Just one thing.

Name one thing Trump did. Because clearly closing the border to China hasn't helped.

The US situation right now is quite dire.

taxme · March 30, 2020

On 3/26/2020 at 1:24 PM, Moonbox said:

I'm not so sure that it was a deliberate power-grab, but rather just something they wanted to do to avoid delays on further action down the road. It was a poor decision and even poorer attempt regardless, and the government ought to be embarrassed that they even tried.

Pretty much most of our politicians have been a disappointment and embarrassment to Canada period. This constant over and over and over again on TV pretty much for twenty four hours a day is going beyond bloody ridiculous. We know already ease up a little will you. I do not need to keep hearing the same old bull chit every hour of every day. This appears to be more like a bit of social engineering brainwashing going on here. What else can be said about it all. Enough already. :unsure:

taxme · March 30, 2020

2 hours ago, marcus said:

You haven't been following?

Trump has been in denial of the effects of this pandemic until very recently. He is still contradicting the top health officials in his own administration.

Here is a brief rundown of the differences in approach. But also, do look at the number of infected as well in each country and the trajectory of where they are going. This has very much to do with how each countries responded:

The problem that you appear to be having is that you have been paying way too much attention to what the Canadian media has to say. They may be blowing the statistics way out of proportion as to how many people do have the virus. There are many strains of corona virus and one of them that some people come into contact with are all being lumped together to make it appear as though we are in a full blown pandemic. It is reported that 700,000 people every year suffer from some kinds of flu around the world and many die from the regular common flu so what makes this one so bad? Can you explain this to me? No one ever panicked this much over the SARS and H1N1 viruses that we had come about several years ago.

They say statistics speak for themselves. Those statistics speak for those that compile those statistics. We have no way of knowing if any of those statistics are all or real, and who really are these people that are making up those statistics? They could all be just exaggerated statistics made up to make it appear as though we are all in deep doo-doo if we do not do follow what our dear leaders or the media tells us to do. I do not practice social distance because to me it is ridiculous. Standing six feet away from the person in front of you does not mean that person will still not give it to you if he is carrying the virus. Sadly, lemmings will be lemmings and that will never change. Aw well.

WestCanMan · March 30, 2020

4 minutes ago, Boges said:

Name one thing Trump did. Because clearly closing the border to China hasn't helped.

The US situation right now is quite dire.

Closing off travel from China and other places where the virus was rampant 45 days ahead of our PM was a really good one. Trump gets top marks for that, even if America wasn't successful in stopping the virus outbreak.

FYI Boges things are absolutes. Social distancing works. Closing off international travel works. Quarantines work. Masks work. Washing your hands works.

All of those things work or we wouldn't be doing them.

Trump started 45 days earlier than Trudeau. Luckily he did. It definitely saved lives, because taking the prescribed precautions to stop the spread of a virus works. Countries closer to China than Canada is have their covid well under control because they closed their borders and took other precautions right away.

Trudeau did the wrong thing, by checking absolutely none of the boxes on the anti-viral precautions list, we are just lucky that our population is so much more spread out that America's is or we'd be in a much worse situation. A big part of America's problem was the mayor of NYC and his top public health official telling people that they should just keep riding the subways, going to restaurants, etc. That's where the virus blew up in NA. There were about 30,000 cases there the last time I looked.

"We got lucky" isn't a feather in Trudeau's cap. He was stupid, useless, he has been in hiding for almost 3 weeks now, and he was out of the country being an idiot before that. We have a graphics designer running the show on this health crisis, and our actual public health minister was even worse: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/the-road-to-canadas-covid-19-outbreak-timeline-of-federal-government-failure-at-border-to-slow-the-virus/ar-BB11N7dR?ocid=sf

WestCanMan · March 30, 2020

2 hours ago, marcus said:

What a liar. His adherence to scientific recommendations included leaving the main path of the virus open to our country, and telling us all that closing travel wasn't important.

If you want, I can show you video of him saying that closing off travel was the wrong thing to do. It's racist lol.

eyeball · March 30, 2020

2 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

"We got lucky" isn't a feather in Trudeau's cap. He was stupid, useless, he has been in hiding for almost 3 weeks now, and he was out of the country being an idiot before that. We have a graphics designer running the show on this health crisis, and our actual public health minister was even worse

I just wish we had people like you, Shady and of course AlwaysRight running the show according to your insights and wouldas couldas and shouldas. Coronavirus would already be a fading memory and the demand for new panties would mirror that of face masks.

taxme · March 30, 2020

20 minutes ago, Boges said:

Name one thing Trump did. Because clearly closing the border to China hasn't helped.

The US situation right now is quite dire.

It sure took your dear leader Emperor Trudeau long enough to finally shut down Roxham Road in Quebec from all of those criminal so called illegal refugees from entering into Canada freely. I wonder as to how many of those illegals brought with them the virus and maybe other different kinds of viruses that people like you are all up in arms over. No one that I know of here appeared to have given a chit about what went on at Roxham Road? It took Ezra Levant and The Rebel to bring it all out and point this all out to the bunch of lemmings out there. If it were not for the alternative media, we would never have got Emperor Trudeau to do anything about all the illegals entering Canada illegally at Roxham Road.

Finally, Trudeau had to stop all of this illegal bs going on at Roxham Road and I am pretty sure that he has to be very sad about this because we all should know by now that he loves his criminal illegals entering Canada illegally. But I am also pretty sure that after all of this bs is over, he will reopen up Roxham Road once again for all those illegals that want to enter Canada illegally. What a country and what aj oke this Canada has become. So sad indeed. :wacko:

Rue · March 30, 2020

3 hours ago, marcus said:

You keep saying that but the proof shows that their approaches and actions (or inactions) have resulted in different outcomes in each country.

I think we're finally seeing Trump succumb to reality and he's no longer promising "return to the usual by mid-April".

He did not promise anything nor has he denied anything.

Rue · March 30, 2020

6 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I just wish we had people like you, Shady and of course AlwaysRight running the show according to your insights and wouldas couldas and shouldas. Coronavirus would already be a fading memory and the demand for new panties would mirror that of face masks.

You do have me and my panties... I am here for you. Actually they are depends. I am trying not to cough or laugh because I want them to last longer what with the stay at home thing.

taxme · March 30, 2020

10 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

What a liar. His adherence to scientific recommendations included leaving the main path of the virus open to our country, and telling us all that closing travel wasn't important.

If you want, I can show you video of him saying that closing off travel was the wrong thing to do. It's racist lol.

I guess that is why the media will not call this virus for what it should really be called. The China virus. Now today in these days of political correctness saying China virus is considered to be saying something racist. Now if this virus came from Britain or Australia the f'n media would be still calling it the British or Australian virus and that would not be seen as being racist. This Canadian so called media is so bloody anti-white it is truly on believable. Our bought off Canadian media will say anything to make Trump look bad but will never try to make Emperor Trudeau look bad. :unsure: