The Coronavirus

[cougar]

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

 When the coronavirus hit, the shutdown, short staff, lack of visits lack of supervision, oversight, standards of care took them right over the brink.

They had one good nurse but sacked her:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtpcDkvHneE

[-TSS-]

Large crowd events like concerts or sports aren't coming back soon but otherwise things are beginning to open up. 

[Boges]

4 hours ago, -TSS- said:

Large crowd events like concerts or sports aren't coming back soon but otherwise things are beginning to open up. 

Murikans still need their church though. 

[Boges]

10 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

 

 

Oh, you mean DoFo and Trudeau didn't know? My my my how naive.

We all knew. To fein outrage now is rich. We all just look the other way. And this will all get much worse as people live longer and less people get life-long pensions. 

That being said, being told you're operating a hell hole by literal soldiers is batshit crazy. 

[Independent1986]

4 hours ago, -TSS- said:

Large crowd events like concerts or sports aren't coming back soon but otherwise things are beginning to open up. 

When it comes to sports the way i deal with it I just think about the Toronto Maple Leafs are still in the playoffs !!!

Edited May 27, 2020 by Independent1986

[Iceni warrior]

20 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

 

While I cannot prove this without data, I believe the quarantine is a waste of time. For one, we are not quarantining. The grocery stores, liquor and beer were open throughout, and we all mingled there, every single one of us. There is no quarantine by half-measures.

 

Speak for yourself, I've not visited a grocery or an alcohol store for over 10 weeks.

We get deliveries or go to a local farm shop where they serve you outside.

If more people had taken it seriously we could have opened up a month ago.

Edited May 27, 2020 by Iceni warrior

[Iceni warrior]

41 minutes ago, Independent1986 said:

When it comes to sports the way i deal with it I just think about the Toronto Maple Leafs are still in the playoffs !!!

...and Leeds United lead the Championship and hold the top promotion spot.

Come on you Leeds and Go Leafs.

[OftenWrong]

5 minutes ago, Iceni warrior said:

Speak for yourself, I've not visited a grocery or an alcohol store for over 10 weeks.

I speak for thousands of people going to the grocery store, which you wouldn’t know if you stay indoors. Whether you like it or not.

You are speaking for yourself.

[Iceni warrior]

2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

I speak for thousands of people going to the grocery store, which you wouldn’t know if you stay indoors. Whether you like it or not.

You are speaking for yourself.

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every single one of us

Perhaps you should be more careful about using absolutes in future.

[Boges]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

I speak for thousands of people going to the grocery store, which you wouldn’t know if you stay indoors. Whether you like it or not.

You are speaking for yourself.

People can certainly mitigate exposure in a Grocery Store by using a mask, copious amounts of hand sanitizer and social distance. 

That's a lot tougher in a restaurant, movie theatre, church or sporting event. 

[New World Disorder]

9 minutes ago, Boges said:

People can certainly mitigate exposure in a Grocery Store by using a mask, copious amounts of hand sanitizer and social distance. 

That's a lot tougher in a restaurant, movie theatre, church or sporting event. 

Only in big box stores can this happen. There are a good amount of smaller stores that cannot do social distancing. I hear it from a couple friends that are working in small grocery stores.  IF those stores close, then you have more people heading to the bigger stores, and that creates yet another problem.

Also Ford failed the people when he said , people can get back to work, opening more businesses, while keeping schools closed and not taking into consideration of daycare.

[Boges]

9 minutes ago, New World Disorder said:

Only in big box stores can this happen. There are a good amount of smaller stores that cannot do social distancing. I hear it from a couple friends that are working in small grocery stores.  IF those stores close, then you have more people heading to the bigger stores, and that creates yet another problem.

Also Ford failed the people when he said , people can get back to work, opening more businesses, while keeping schools closed and not taking into consideration of daycare.

Schools and Daycares are places where it's impossible to Social Distance. 

Tough balancing act there. I think a lot of people are having to work at home because they have kids to take care. Any employer that won't allow it is an awful person. 

[Shady]

19 minutes ago, New World Disorder said:

Only in big box stores can this happen. There are a good amount of smaller stores that cannot do social distancing. I hear it from a couple friends that are working in small grocery stores.  IF those stores close, then you have more people heading to the bigger stores, and that creates yet another problem.

Also Ford failed the people when he said , people can get back to work, opening more businesses, while keeping schools closed and not taking into consideration of daycare.

If distancing is a problem than that’s what masks are for.

[OftenWrong]

3 hours ago, Iceni warrior said:

Perhaps you should be more careful about using absolutes in future.

yeah, good one. That's a real important point to raise.

[bush_cheney2004]

5 hours ago, Boges said:

Murikans still need their church though. 

 

Murikans will fight for their constitutional rights more than Kanadians.

[OftenWrong]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

People can certainly mitigate exposure in a Grocery Store by using a mask, copious amounts of hand sanitizer and social distance. 

That's a lot tougher in a restaurant, movie theatre, church or sporting event. 

Yes they can, but up until this point it has not been a requirement. If they can meet whatever requirements the health authority has set forth, masks or distances, that should be all that is needed. The health authority has allowed these rules for grocery shopping since the pandemic began.

There should be many outbreaks linked to grocery shopping one would think, but I haven't heard of it. Habeus corpus?

[Boges]

3 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

There should be many outbreaks linked to grocery shopping one would think, but I haven't heard of it. Habeus corpus?

If I end up getting it, I'll assume it was due to carelessness at a Grocery Store. 

But how will I ever really know. 

[OftenWrong]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

Schools and Daycares are places where it's impossible to Social Distance. 

Tough balancing act there.

I heard that some places they are letting kids return to school as of May 25. "Schools have reopened in most of Quebec."
Link

It seems hard to find anything specific on this. Would be interesting to know what safeguards they've put in place.

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

I heard that some places they are letting kids return to school as of May 25. "Schools have reopened in most of Quebec."
Link

It seems hard to find anything specific on this. Would be interesting to know what safeguards they've put in place.

And because it's so late in the School year, some said that it's better to plan to start again in September. 

That's what Ontario did. 

COVID-19 or not, parents will always have a difficult balance with parenting and work. You can't rely on schools as fulltime childcare. 

[OftenWrong]

Just now, Boges said:

And because it's so late in the School year, some said that it's better to plan to start again in September. 

Oh I know. These early opening are going to be like little "experiments". We will find out what happens. But I suspect the only surprise will be- no outbreak. I base that on the experience we've had in grocery stores for the past 3 months. There's been plenty of time to show a correlation, yet there appears to be none.

[Argus]

On 5/25/2020 at 2:03 PM, WestCanMan said:

Politifact is bullshit. Your post is 100% wrong.

Except we can look at the things he said because they have directly quoted them, and we can then easily determine that they were lies.

But truth is simply not a consideration for Trumptards.

 

 

[Boges]

9 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Oh I know. These early opening are going to be like little "experiments". We will find out what happens. But I suspect the only surprise will be- no outbreak. I base that on the experience we've had in grocery stores for the past 3 months. There's been plenty of time to show a correlation, yet there appears to be none.

I think people are now very careful when going to Grocery Stores, and very mindful of their surroundings. 

Can you do that at a restaurant, mall or a gym? Maybe, don't know though. 

This past season of Curb Your Enthusiasm on HBO had Larry David opening up a Coffee Shop to spite another Coffee Shop owner. Because he was a germaphobe before all this he had Purell on every table. 

I think that's going to be the reality of all restaurants (even the fancy ones) going forward. 

[Argus]

5 hours ago, Boges said:

We all knew. To fein outrage now is rich. We all just look the other way. And this will all get much worse as people live longer and less people get life-long pensions. 

That being said, being told you're operating a hell hole by literal soldiers is batshit crazy. 

These soldiers don't have any experience dealing with the kinds of people in these end of life homes. Almost all have cognitive issues, and a number of them are violent. They all have multiple physical ailments, as well. Many can't make it to toilets. Even those who can often don't because they're confused. The only way to actually take full proper care of them is to have a staffing ratio of something like one to one, or one to two. Guess what? No on can afford that. Swedish end of life homes have been similarly devastated, as have those in the UK, France, Spain, Italy, the US, etc. There's nothing unique about Canada, nor Ontario (see Quebec's crappy end of life homes).

These are the waiting rooms for the funeral parlors. No one is expected to live long once they're admitted. Not because of the staffing or care but because these are very sick people right at the end of their lives.

Edited May 27, 2020 by Argus

[Boges]

3 minutes ago, Argus said:

These soldiers don't have any experience dealing with the kinds of people in these end of life homes. Almost all have cognitive issues, and a number of them are violent. They all have multiple physical ailments, as well. Many can't make it to toilets. Even those who can often don't because they're confused. The only way to actually take full proper care of them is to have a staffing ratio of something like one to one, or one to two. Guess what? No on can afford that. Swedish end of life homes have been similarly devastated, as have those in the UK, France, Spain, Italy, the US, etc. There's nothing unique about Canada, nor Ontario (see Quebec's crappy end of life homes).

These are the waiting rooms for the funeral parlors. No one is expected to live long once they're admitted. Not because of the staffing or care but because these are very sick people right at the end of their lives.

I agree, you go there to die.

So why are we shocked people are dying there? 

[WestCanMan]

8 minutes ago, Argus said:

Except we can look at the things he said because they have directly quoted them, and we can then easily determine that they were lies.

But truth is simply not a consideration for Trumptards.

You talking down about the intelligence of Trump supporters is like Adolf Hitler talking down about Sister Theresa's altruism. 

Did you read that post? Did you see just how inaccurate PolitiFAKE is? Only an idiot would regurgitate their screed.

You're COMPLETELY duped by CNN and all their toadies Argus. You gobbled their crap up HOOK, LINE AND SINKER every time and I've helped you muddle through their idiocy dozens of times here Argus.

Tell the same lie enough times and it becomes the truth. "Let's put a fake story out there, and we'll get all of our faked-check websites to say it's true! Idiots will believe it, even when they see video evidence that it's a lie, just like Argus did with the video of Obama."