The Coronavirus

[eyeball]

9 minutes ago, Shady said:

Again with your false premise.  Nobody is saying laissez faire.  Nobody.

I'm saying it because you're doing it. The term laissez faire was used in the article you posted a few days ago about Denmark thinking about returning to normal . It was used to contrast Denmark's approach against Sweden's much less restricted approach.  An approach they're apparently regretting. 

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COVID-19: As Sweden's death toll mounts, epidemiologists urge leaders to ignore their own public health agency

Sweden, which is an international outlier in resisting a lockdown, has suffered a much higher death toll than Nordic neighbours

https://nationalpost.com/news/world/covid-19-as-swedens-death-toll-mounts-epidemiologists-urge-leaders-to-ignore-their-own-public-health-agency

 

 

Edited April 18, 2020 by eyeball

[Queenmandy85]

On a positive note, we have the federal political parties and all of the provincial governments working as a team. When a disagreement arises, they resolve it. Political rivalries are set aside. This is unprecedented. Even during the Great War and the Second World War, we did not have this kind of national unity. This is not the achievement of one politician. It is the achievement of all of them, regardless of political stripe. We all owe them our thanks for stepping up when it was needed.

[eyeball]

41 minutes ago, Shady said:

Because this is more contagious and a bit more deadly.

Ya think...just a bit? So when do death counts matter enough to the public that the media notices 300 - 400 - 500?  600 or so is the magic wow number?

I mean, it wasn't that long ago that one dead soldier now and then was enough to make people like you collapse in a paroxysm of grief and line highways and bridges in your displays of remorse. 

[eyeball]

1 minute ago, Queenmandy85 said:

On a positive note, we have the federal political parties and all of the provincial governments working as a team. When a disagreement arises, they resolve it. Political rivalries are set aside. This is unprecedented. Even during the Great War and the Second World War, we did not have this kind of national unity. This is not the achievement of one politician. It is the achievement of all of them, regardless of political stripe. We all owe them our thanks for stepping up when it was needed.

Thank fricken Christ Shady isn't our PM.  Trump sounds like a humanitarian genius in comparison to the economic warrior poets we have in here. 

[WestCanMan]

Once we get testing to find out how many people were infected by coronavirus we'll have a better idea of how to treat it, compared to other flus.

In 2019 there were 7,700 deaths/day in the US. In 2020 covid deaths per day peaked around 1,100. [There have been 38,000 covid deaths since the first US covid death on Feb 29th. That's 760/day.]

Of the 760, or 1,100 that died due to covid each day, how many of those people would have died anyways? Has the avg number of deaths per day in the US been up by 1,100? We don't know, and a lot of people are making that exact assumption. Maybe the avg number of deaths/day is only up by 300 because hundreds of those people were going to die anyways. I don't know. I briefly looked and didn't find it.

This is also happening during the world's first exposure to the virus. In subsequent outbreaks, our acquired herd immunity will slow the spread of the disease. Maybe we will have some treatment methods that are proven to be effective as well.

I agree with the people whose fear of covid is diminishing, but I don't think that the science has shown that we should be congregating again yet. 

 

 

 

 

[Shady]

I’m just going to agree to disagree with some people in terms of the response to the outbreak.  What I’m instead going to focus on is new information regarding the virus.  This is very interesting.

Simple statistical analysis demonstrates that the spread of COVID-19 peaks after about 40 days and declines to almost zero after 70 days — no matter where it strikes, and no matter what measures governments impose to try to thwart it.

Analyzing the growth and decline of new cases in countries around the world, showed repeatedly that “there’s a set pattern” and “the numbers speak for themselves.”

https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-israeli-prof-claims-simple-stats-show-virus-plays-itself-out-after-70-days/

[Shady]

Im not sure this entirely accurate, there are probably a number of variables that can alter this supposed timeline.

[eyeball]

40 minutes ago, Shady said:

Some people also suggest that there comes a point when the health of people being confined becomes an issue.  Huge increases in depression, anxiety, domestic violence, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, and suicide.  I’m not sure why you don’t care about that.

If the level of your concern for COVID-19 is anything to go by I'm not sure why I should care until until ER rooms are swamped and trucks start filling up with waves of people who've died from depression, anxiety, domestic violence, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, and suicide. You know, day after year after decade.

Edited April 18, 2020 by eyeball

[Shady]

“Giving a proper perspective isn’t a cover up of the truth.  It is the truth”

 

[Shady]

42 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'm saying it because you're doing it. The term laissez faire was used in the article you posted a few days ago about Denmark thinking about returning to normal . It was used to contrast Denmark's approach against Sweden's much less restricted approach.  An approach they're apparently regretting. 

 

Denmark is doing it phases.  That’s not laissez faire either.  Nobody in this discussion, or in Canada or the United States is suggesting laissez faire.  Stop the lying already.

[OftenWrong]

2 hours ago, Shady said:

275,000 hospitalizations in the United States in 2009 due to H1N1.  But it wasn’t on the news everyday.

Answer to @eyeball.  Go do your own research, like Shady has done.

Yeah and I bet your mama still dresses and feeds you every day as well. How shameful for an old guy like you.

[Shady]

19 minutes ago, eyeball said:

If the level of your concern for COVID-19 is anything to go by I'm not sure why I should care until until ER rooms are swamped and trucks start filling up with waves of people who've died from depression, anxiety, domestic violence, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, and suicide. You know, day after year after decade.

They won’t die or suffer in ER rooms.  It’ll be at home.  Regardless, you can live your life in a bubble for the rest of your life.  I’m not.  And advocating destroying the lives and livelihoods of millions of people just because they don’t show up in an ER room is demented as fuck.  You need to seek some serious psychiatric help.  You’re a lunatic.

High risk people can be protected and quarantined without the entire population having to be.  Any non-lunatic person can grasp that concept.  At least one that isn’t a government boot licker.

[Shady]

3 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Answer to @eyeball.  Go do your own research, like Shady has done.

Yeah and I bet your mama still dresses and feeds you every day as well. How shameful for an old guy like you.

No wonder he needs the elderly protected at all cost.

[Moonlight Graham]

The government wants to save people with borrowed money, because Canadians want to be saved.  They don't want to be responsible for themselves.  They don't want to have a few months salary saved in case of emergency, they want to blow that money on vacations and a nicer car and borrow more money for housing and toys. 

The Queen's money-nipple is out in full force these days, and most of us are happy to suck on it.  Looks like Canadians have never grown up and left the nest yet.  Still living with mommy bird, Queen Elizabeth II.  And when the Queen's teet dries up, well just borrow more milk from someone else.  Free milk for everybody!

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Shady said:

Denmark is doing it phases.  That’s not laissez faire either.  Nobody in this discussion, or in Canada or the United States is suggesting laissez faire.  Stop the lying already.

I know Denmark is not taking the laissez faire approach and so do you.  This is a quote from the article you posted that uses the terms laissez-faire.

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It’s a clear sign that nations willing to take drastic steps early on now find themselves on a different trajectory to those that were slow to react. In neighboring Sweden, Prime Minister Stefan Lofven recently admitted he’ll need to review his laissez-faire response to the virus, after new forecasts showed that thousands of his countrymen will lose their lives to Covid-19.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-06/denmark-attempts-return-from-virus-lockdown-after-early-response

 

Here's the link to your post where you linked to the article.

 

You see how it works Shady? When you say something and then disavow what you say as being a lie you look like a fucking idiot.

Edited April 18, 2020 by eyeball

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Answer to @eyeball.  Go do your own research, like Shady has done.

 

Shady couldn't research his way out of a wet paper bag.

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Yeah and I bet your mama still dresses and feeds you every day as well. How shameful for an old guy like you.

You really wanna play the Dozens chump?

You should have been there when your mama got around to undressing me. I was tenth in line if I recall.

 

[OftenWrong]

15 hours ago, eyeball said:

Shady couldn't research his way out of a wet paper bag.

You really wanna play the Dozens chump?

You should have been there when your mama got around to undressing me. I was tenth in line if I recall.

 

You really do need a pacifier, don't you little fella. That's alright. I blame the virus for you totally losing your flipped-out mind. It's a problem on the rise. In your case it's even more so than the "normal" level of flipped out. So I really don't need to do anything at all. Just wait, and watch the days go by... watch you squirm in your little shoebox of a house, as you people slowly go mad. Remember, I'm on the outside. Nothing has changed for me. Just you people have all gone totally crazy. Although in your case it could also just be the normal and continual amount of mental deterioration that is expected.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Remember, I'm on the outside. Nothing has changed for me.

Diito. I'll still be enjoying the fruits of your labour. Keep up the good work.  

[Queenmandy85]

Mia Culpa. 21 hours ago I waxed elequently on the unity and co-operation in Canada's government. I may have been premature.

[Rue]

21 hours ago, eyeball said:

Thank fricken Christ Shady isn't our PM.  Trump sounds like a humanitarian genius in comparison to the economic warrior poets we have in here. 

I think Shady would make a great world leader.  He could make sure they give you an iceberg to live on so you won't catch the virus. Have you seen his hat and glasses?  Definitely a curler. He also  reminds me of Mobuto Sese Seko.  He just needs a gin and tonic and a pearl handled gun  and what Tdot refers to as Negro bodyguards. I would lend him some of my crack Hebrue guards but he'd end up robbing them blind in poker waiting for you to overthrow him. I,played for a coach like Shady. He drank and smoked Players cigarettes. Great coach. Hacked a lot at early morning skates. Took his curling seriously as well. Liked Rye and Coke and I saw him drink Molsons Export and he lived.

Edited April 19, 2020 by Rue

[SpankyMcFarland]

Patients with COVID-19 have problems in multiple organs beyond the lung e.g. lymph nodes, the olfactory system, the heart and kidneys. Is this simply a non-specific product of low perfusion etc. due to shock or is the virus actively attacking these organs? The jury is still out.

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For weeks, U.S. government officials and hospital executives have warned of a looming shortage of ventilators as the coronavirus pandemic descended.

But now, doctors are sounding an alarm about an unexpected and perhaps overlooked crisis: a surge in Covid-19 patients with kidney failure that is leading to shortages of machines, supplies and staff required for emergency dialysis.

...It is not yet known whether the kidneys are a major target of the virus, or whether they’re just one more organ falling victim as a patient’s ravaged body surrenders. Dialysis fills the vital roles the kidneys play, cleaning the blood of toxins, balancing essential components including electrolytes, keeping blood pressure in check and removing excess fluids.

...Kidney specialists now estimate that 20 percent to 40 percent of I.C.U. patients with the coronavirus suffered kidney failure and needed emergency dialysis, according to Dr. Alan Kliger, a nephrologist at Yale University School of Medicine who is co-chairman of a Covid-19 response team for the American Society of Nephrology.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/18/health/kidney-dialysis-coronavirus.html?referringSource=articleShare

 

[Moonlight Graham]

Looks like a few people in rural Africa have developed some interesting methods of dealing with self-isolation boredom:

 

[Zeitgeist]

The key is the science-based approach: Rapid widespread testing for the virus and immunity, contact tracing, fast isolation of new cases, and return to full public participation for those with immunity as soon as possible.

https://apple.news/AYMxNIjpGSr6MC13Lhm3bhQ

[pinky tuscadero]

When will we admit those that have said this is akin to a regular to bad flu-season were right all along.

From the beginning numbers to today, the data (as massaged as it was, never, ever fulfilled their ridiculous models or hyperbole.

We sacrificed our freedoms, destroyed lives and livelihoods for a flu, something that occurs every single year with little fanfare.

Yet we still listen to the very people that have been wrong from the beginning,

and the people that have been right from the beginning are still relegated to the hinterlands and called names to discredit their ability to rightly divide this matter.

This is utter madness.

 

Here is today's study corroborating the study done by Stanford from two days ago, that means it is established not fanciful computer models (ie. truth, actual science).

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Preliminary results from antibody tests in Los Angeles County indicate that the true number of COVID-19 infections is much higher than the number of confirmed cases there, which implies that the fatality rate is much lower than the official tallies suggest. "The mortality rate now has dropped a lot," Barbara Ferrer, director of the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health, said at a press briefing today. In contrast with the current crude case fatality rate of about 4.5 percent, she said, the study suggests that 0.1 percent to 0.2 percent of people infected by the virus will die, which would make COVID-19 only somewhat more deadly than the seasonal flu. Link

 

The Stanford study, quoted below, can be found here.

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These prevalence estimates represent a range between 48,000 and 81,000 people infected in Santa Clara County by early April, 50-85-fold more than the number of confirmed cases. Conclusions The population prevalence of SARS-CoV-2 antibodies in Santa Clara County implies that the infection is much more widespread than indicated by the number of confirmed cases. Population prevalence estimates can now be used to calibrate epidemic and mortality projections.

 

Edited April 21, 2020 by pinky tuscadero

[SpankyMcFarland]

A Korean wife can be handy these days. Just ask Larry Hogan:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/20/politics/who-is-yumi-hogan/index.html