The Coronavirus

[WestCanMan]

11 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

No, it's not "particles"

It's droplets, and only the ones are your face are going to infect you

Even turning away from someone as they cough or sneeze protects you

I'll do more than just turn my back on this germ geyser, I'm running: https://www.thestar.com.my/lifestyle/health/2017/03/09/beware-snot-and-sneeze

Make sure to watch the video. It's completely disgusting.

 

Edited April 3, 2020 by WestCanMan

[OftenWrong]

22 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

WMD mass casualty event de facto biological warfare in progress

Exponential knock effects inciting chaos, martial law in effect

Pull back inside your compounds and just stay there,  indefinitely as necessary

Enjoy the Staycation, problem solved

This is what starts to happen when you're indoors a little too long. People get loopy.

Oh wait...

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

This is what starts to happen when you're indoors a little too long. People get loopy.

Oh wait...

Patio, deck with a view, yard like a private park, the conservation area woods beyond, river running through it, song dogs howling at the moon right now

This is why we Prep . . .

[Dougie93]

39 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

I'll do more than just turn my back on this germ geyser, I'm running: 

No need to panic, you don't want to go too far out,

stay within short drive of logistics, but otherwise on the edge of some wilderness so you can play outdoors all summer

No need to be a Doomsday Prepper

That is an oxymoron

Doom is doom, there is no escape, other than the grace of the Lord

Edited April 3, 2020 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

Unearthly quiet here now

The valley is bathed in silvery moonlight

I have never experienced quiet like this before

Not in the field in the army in the middle of nowhere was it as quiet as this

I can't hear anything, no traffic in the distance, no wind in the trees, nothing

When I take a drag from my smoke, that is literally the only sound

This feels like the grace of the Lord, right here, right now

This is the pinnacle

It just doesn't get any better than this

Little green planet moving through space time, and I can feel it in real time

Actual bliss

 

[eyeball]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Unearthly quiet here now

The valley is bathed in silvery moonlight

I have never experienced quiet like this before

It's the same here too.

It's like a Silent Spring. Except for the frogs...I got new hearing aids just before this all happened and I can hear the frogs again.  I must have been deaf as a post I honestly thought they'd gone extinct 

[Dougie93]

Just now, eyeball said:

It's the same here too.

It's like a Silent Spring. Except for the frogs...I got new hearing aids just before this all happened and I can hear the frogs again.  I must have been deaf as a post I honestly thought they'd gone extinct 

The wildlife is taking back the night

My sister down in Toronto at City Place says there are coyotes running around the buildings in the desolation

The coyotes here came closer tonight than ever before, never been so close to them, they were right at my back fence

 

[eyeball]

Speaking of silence.

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Humans Are Making Less Seismic Noise Due To Worldwide Lockdown Measures

The world is a quieter place now that one-third of humanity is cooped up indoors under global lockdown measures. At least, that’s what the seismographs say.

https://www.iflscience.com/environment/humans-are-making-less-seismic-noise-due-to-worldwide-lockdown-measures/

 

 

 

[Dougie93]

So beautiful up in here right now, warm sunshine, cool breeze, no bugs crystal clear blue skies, no road traffic, no air traffic, rabbits running around in the yard, birds singing in the trees

I keep forgetting there is a war on

This is like Last of the Mohicans

 

[Argus]

The difficulties of figuring out how to build N95 masks and building up a supply chain for them.

In this strange season, Preston finds himself steering a team of McMaster engineers working “24/7” to churn out a product that up until two weeks ago they had no expertise in: masks. It’s a task that has turned out to be a great deal more complicated than he initially thought.

“A mask is not just a piece of fabric you put over your face,” said Preston. “In the medical context it’s a highly regulated device. So we’re all being forced to stretch into new areas and work in ways we haven’t before, but we do have the skills and we’re learning very quickly.”

https://business.financialpost.com/news/economy/brutal-education-inside-the-mad-rush-to-make-masks-to-battle-covid-19

[SpankyMcFarland]

The mask wars have begun:

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Both Prime Minister Justin Trudeau and 3M have responded to U.S President Donald Trump’s request to stop selling N95 respirators to Canada....Visibly and verbally disappointed with the move from the White House, Ontario Premier Doug Ford said “I’m not going to rely on any other country anymore.” Ford hit that ‘economic engine/powerhouse’ button once more, saying Ontario and Canada need to make our own solutions. “I can’t stress how disappointed I am in President Trump for making this decision,” added Ford,
https://barrie360.com/trudeau-3m-respond-to-trumps-request-to-stop-selling-n95-respirators-to-canada/

 

[Rue]

14 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Unearthly quiet here now

The valley is bathed in silvery moonlight

I have never experienced quiet like this before

Not in the field in the army in the middle of nowhere was it as quiet as this

I can't hear anything, no traffic in the distance, no wind in the trees, nothing

When I take a drag from my smoke, that is literally the only sound

This feels like the grace of the Lord, right here, right now

This is the pinnacle

It just doesn't get any better than this

Little green planet moving through space time, and I can feel it in real time

Actual bliss

 

Soldier haiku kind of like it..

[Rue]

1 hour ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The mask wars have begun:

 

...the myth of globalism and free trade....

[SpankyMcFarland]

Scott Moe has just taken a swipe at Trump over masks. 

[Dougie93]

New York City is melting down

WMD mass casualty event

Hundreds of new cases all day everyday, people are sicker than before, people in the 20's are dying, the hospital staff are dying, they are running out of all supplies

One nurse described the mood as "abject terror" and they are all writing their wills

It may not be like the Spanish Flu everywhere yet, but it's just like the Spanish Flu in New York right now

Edited April 4, 2020 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

Can't really tell what the bug is doing in real time, but the effects are spooky af

It seems to have two modes, stealth mode & beast mode

In stealth mode it doesn't attack the cells, so no symptoms, it just reproduces and spreads

Then at some point it reaches a level of concentration to incite into beast mode, and then it goes off like a neutron bomb

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

Can't really tell what the bug is doing in real time, but the effects are spooky af

It seems to have two modes, stealth mode & beast mode

In stealth mode it doesn't attack the cells, so no symptoms, it just reproduces and spreads

 

It is in stealth mode for transmission too, as many western nations had discounted airborne aerosol and asymptomatic infection spread.

The doctors are playing catch up now.

 

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Then at some point it reaches a level of concentration to incite into beast mode, and then it goes off like a neutron bomb

 

Yes...the body's defenses go into overdrive and overwhelms lungs with fluid and organs shutdown from oxygen deprivation.

 

 

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

It is in stealth mode for transmission too, as many western nations had discounted airborne aerosol and asymptomatic infection spread.

The doctors are playing catch up now.

Yes...the body's defenses go into overdrive and overwhelms lungs with fluid and organs shutdown from oxygen deprivation.

I always thought asymptomatic spread, but there is no mechanism for the human body to turn mucus into gas

So if aerosoloized, that would mean industrial mechanism, the implication of which would be someone is releasing it as a gas from a aerosolizer

In terms of the lethality, at first it was just killing old people, now it's starting to go after young people, just like 1919, so the bug seems to be getting stronger

The effects are spooky, like it has a plan, creeping build up to a critical mass, then it detonates

[Dougie93]

Like if you're asymptomatic, that means the protein spikes of the corona are effectively inert then

It's not attacking, it's just reproducing and spreading itself

Then at some point, for whatever factors, the protein spikes go hot, and start picking the locks of the cells at a rate right out of 1919

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I always thought asymptomatic spread, but there is no mechanism for the human body to turn mucus into gas

So if aerosoloized, that would mean industrial mechanism, the implication of which would be someone is releasing it as a gas from a aerosolizer

 

The virus is very small..sub micron small.    People are shedding virus in several ways, even when they are not sick.    Studies are mixed about how much is aerosol vs. droplets.  

 

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In terms of the lethality, at first it was just killing old people, now it's starting to go after young people, just like 1919, so the bug seems to be getting stronger

The effects are spooky, like it has a plan, creeping build up to a critical mass, then it detonates

 

Mortality is much higher than influenza, but the real damaging blow may be to national economies and social order.

[Dougie93]

10 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

The virus is very small..sub micron small.    People are shedding virus in several ways, even when they are not sick.    Studies are mixed about how much is aerosol vs. droplets. 

Mortality is much higher than influenza, but the real damaging blow may be to national economies and social order.

Let's do the math, New York City was 30,000 killed out of 5.6 million in 1919

Right now they are at about a 1000 a day in NYC, so in 30 days of this, they will have hit 30,000,

with twice the population now,  in 60 days of this, they have matched the Spanish Flu

So it's killing at a Spanish Flu 1919 rate in New York City right now, may not last as long, but the pace is comparable

Edited April 4, 2020 by Dougie93

[bush_cheney2004]

34 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

So it's killing at a Spanish Flu 1919 rate in New York City right now, may not last as long, but the pace is comparable

 

Spanish Flu killed about 60,000 in Canada, in multiple waves over two years.

There were no long term economic impacts, but shorter term labour and market disruption.

Obviously things bounced back through the 1920's, until the Great Depression.

 

[eyeball]

10 hours ago, Rue said:

...the myth of globalism and free trade....

Way worse than a myth, it was just a theory.

[Rue]

11 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

I always thought asymptomatic spread, but there is no mechanism for the human body to turn mucus into gas

So if aerosoloized, that would mean industrial mechanism, the implication of which would be someone is releasing it as a gas from a aerosolizer

In terms of the lethality, at first it was just killing old people, now it's starting to go after young people, just like 1919, so the bug seems to be getting stronger

The effects are spooky, like it has a plan, creeping build up to a critical mass, then it detonates

No..no..not necessarily...its actually not necessarily getting stronger, the underlying conditions of the people you refer to are not being reported..lending to your assumptions....also please understand that if a virus does mutate to become harder to fight as an individual patient,  it also necessarily means it becomes less contagious... as Sars showed us...meaning it also becomes less lethal as it no longer spreads...so lethal depends on context...

...even where it becomes  more lethal to individual patients it  becomes less lethal to humanity as a whole..which is where  better medical treatments and an eventual vaccine come in....they can and are being developed as we speak.. increasing survival rates...

Recovery rates are growing with new approaches so because we are adapting through  trial and error as physicians mix and match medications to see what works best until a vaccine is developed..the virusvin that sense becomes less lethal..

Pathologists analyze cause of death to better understand how to treat it and are working with immunologists to better  identify underlying medical conditions so they are not missed.

The term lethal is used by most of us in subjective context because we see only death not the actual cause of it..making all deaths the same to us. They are not.

The fact remains what appears lethal may be to some but not others.  We need to take proper time not to distort causes of death.... the info out there actually shows the majority of people do not die from this virus and those who do were immune compromised not healthy and those thought to be healthy in fact had  underlying causes that were not looked for...that is also because we  just do not have sufficient pathologists available to examine all deaths to come up with proper data as to the causes of death.

There is no medical data showing the virus mutating into  a death strain on healthy people in fact it shows no evidence of that but it does show if we miss underlying causes we can make false conclusions as to cause of death and assign imother virus in error.

As we speak new treatments are working and being tested that will be used to lower rates of death..rates of death peak but medical treatments eventually develop to help lower rates...

 

 

 

 

 

Edited April 4, 2020 by Rue

[Argus]

20 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

The mask wars have begun:

Nonsense.They began weeks ago. Germany banned the export of masks, so did France, then the EU overall did. China and South Korea and Taiwan had already banned their export, and the export of other PPE gear. The only reason it's on the news now is because someone finally got around to telling Trump that some US masks are exported so he banned them too. But there was never any question he would do so. I'm actually surprised it took this long, but then, as I said, probably nobody mentioned it to him before now. Anyone who expects a man like Trump to stick by his friends when times get tough should be reminded that Trump HAS no friends, that in a lifetime of partying and palling around with others, celebrity-like, he's never managed to retain anyone you could call a real friend. That's because Trump has long demonstrated that he has no loyalty to anyone but himself, and will stab anyone in the back for even a temporary advantage.