Boges Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: But why Florida ? Why not Brazil....or Belgium...or UK ? What is so damn important about Florida to you ? Because the US has a leader that's lying about the figures. The UK and Brazil are in a pretty bad spot too though. Quote 100% correct. I also want all U.S. automakers to close their plants in Ontario because of this and future risks. Keep the border closed, just like Canada wants...for a very long time. That's a very fringe position. Just hope you realize that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 Just now, Boges said: Because the US has a leader that's lying about the figures. The UK and Brazil are in a pretty bad spot too though. Lying about Florida, but not Texas or Arizona ? We all know this is just about Trump to you anyway. Quote That's a very fringe position. Just hope you realize that. Not so fringe...this is an opportunity to repatriate jobs and industry back to the U.S., something that was already happening before COVID. GM Oshawa shut down in December, and Ford Oakville has no follow-on model for the Flex crossover. Boeing can also leave Winnipeg now after layoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Lying about Florida, but not Texas or Arizona ? We all know this is just about Trump to you anyway. If you refer to earlier posts I mention Sunbelt states. Quote Not so fringe...this is an opportunity to repatriate jobs and industry back to the U.S., something that was already happening before COVID. GM Oshawa shut down in December, and Ford Oakville has no follow-on model for the Flex crossover. Boeing can also leave Winnipeg now after layoffs. Those aren't real drivers to keeping the border opened/closed. Lots more manufacturing and agriculture trade than just cars. The US Auto Industry is in trouble. Moving Canadian jobs to US won't really fix that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, Boges said: Those aren't real drivers to keeping the border opened/closed. Lots more manufacturing and agriculture trade than just cars. The US Auto Industry is in trouble. Moving Canadian jobs to US won't really fix that. Not trying to fix anything, but consolidate what is left during and after the COVID impacts. Canada exports 85% of automotive production to the U.S. Oil and gas are also collapsing fast in Canada...bring the American capital home for more fracking. Migrant labour is in short supply too....Canada will get less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Not trying to fix anything, but consolidate what is left during and after the COVID impacts. Canada exports 85% of automotive production to the U.S. Oil and gas are also collapsing fast in Canada...bring the American capital home for more fracking. Migrant labour is in short supply too....Canada will get less. Fine. Not going to happen, but keep dreaming. Trump has been POTUS for 3.5 years and hasn't really taken any jobs from Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 5 minutes ago, Boges said: Fine. Not going to happen, but keep dreaming. Trump has been POTUS for 3.5 years and hasn't really taken any jobs from Canada. Yes he has, but that's for another thread. COVID will have winners and losers, including all that cross border commerce traffic that Canadians want at a 2:1 ratio, despite the U.S. having 10X the population. Keeping the border closed for at least another year with more limitations even after it opens will force consolidations and changes to commerce traffic. For instance, Air Canada is going to close down several U.S. destinations for hubs and partner routes, and they may never return because of the reduced travel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Yes he has, but that's for another thread. COVID will have winners and losers, including all that cross border commerce traffic that Canadians want at a 2:1 ratio, despite the U.S. having 10X the population. Keeping the border closed for at least another year with more limitations even after it opens will force consolidations and changes to commerce traffic. For instance, Air Canada is going to close down several U.S. destinations for hubs and partner routes, and they may never return because of the reduced travel. Reduced Air Travel is a concern for everyone. The idea that people can do a lot of business travel on a computer. Cite a source that either side wants the border closed for a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 18, 2020 Report Share Posted June 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, Boges said: Reduced Air Travel is a concern for everyone. The idea that people can do a lot of business travel on a computer. Cite a source that either side wants the border closed for a year. No problem....keep the border closed....make Canada...Canada again. Quote Less than one-in-five Canadians polled (19%) said the border should open when the current deadline expires, Angus Reid reported. Most (42%) said September would be a good target to re-open the border to non-essential traffic, while more than a quarter of those polled (26%) said the countries should wait until 2021. https://www.bellinghamherald.com/news/coronavirus/article243441091.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New World Disorder Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 5 hours ago, Boges said: For someone who posts in a debate forum, you like to try and stiffle debate a lot. Seems contrary to the purpose of a site like this. Antifa like divide and conquer tactics. He obviously is not here to debate. Shitposting? Absolutely! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New World Disorder Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 (edited) 4 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: No problem....keep the border closed....make Canada...Canada again. Only close to ground traffic. I can still catch a flight to the USA. Not that I want to. Edited June 19, 2020 by New World Disorder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSS- Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 A mask protects you from the virus like barbed wire protects you from mosquitos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSS- Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 It looks like the disease has been suppressed here in Finland. There are less than 20 people in hospital-treatment for the disease and people are acting like the virus is just a bad memory. My main fear is that people will fetch the disease back by travelling as tourism begins to open up. Unfortunately many Finns are such oikophobic people that the idea of spending an entire year in our home-country is just too much to ask for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 Europe, Canada and much of the developed world has seen the downside of the virus. And are re-opening. Well not in parts of the US of A. In Red Sunbelt states the infection rate is climbing and if it continues the hospital systems in these states could be overwhelmed. Florida saw almost 4,000 cases. At the height of the pandemic, Ontario never saw even 1,000 daily cases. That's the scenario that caused shut-downs in the first place. These governors have no appetite for that. The could get ugly for these states very soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 On 6/19/2020 at 2:16 PM, -TSS- said: A mask protects you from the virus like barbed wire protects you from mosquitos. Not true. It less protects you from someone sneezing on you. But it protects other people from you. And if everyone wore a mask, it creates a low-grade herd immunity. I don't really like wearing masks, I definitely won't wear one outside. But it a large public area like a grocery store, I certainly will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 A good way to hide COVID deaths https://www.thedailybeast.com/floridas-seen-a-statistically-significant-uptick-in-pneumonia-deaths-the-cdc-says-its-likely-covid Quote Since the beginning of this year, Florida has experienced an uptick in the number of pneumonia and influenza deaths, according to data from the Centers for Disease and Control. Experts and Trump administration officials responsible for keeping tabs on mortality rates across the country believe that many of those individuals had likely contracted and died from COVID-19. No one technically dies of AIDS either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rue Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 On 6/18/2020 at 3:04 PM, bush_cheney2004 said: Lying about Florida, but not Texas or Arizona ? We all know this is just about Trump to you anyway. Not so fringe...this is an opportunity to repatriate jobs and industry back to the U.S., something that was already happening before COVID. GM Oshawa shut down in December, and Ford Oakville has no follow-on model for the Flex crossover. Boeing can also leave Winnipeg now after layoffs. Repatriate jobs in the US? That has not happened and will not happen. You think when given a choice of cheap slave labour in third world countries of having to pay people even the minimum wage in the US, businesses will repatriate? That sounds very socialist of you. How wonderfully romantic and nationalistic of you to buy into that horsecrap of a lie. This was never about repatriation.Your damn messiah leader is all about exploiting cheap labour in third world countries and getting deals to exploit 3rd world markets not repatriation. Go on list for us all the businesses since Trump's claim to make America strong again that returned. What a joke and you parrot that brainless bilge. Look at what he did with aluminum. He deliberately violated the free trade act with Canada and slapped a huge tarriff on Canadian aluminum to protect aluminum production in the US. Did any worker see one plug nickel of the increased profit the aluminum manufacturers made from uncompetitive prices that allow them now to sell their inferior product at higher prices? Not one phackin penny. It went into the hands of who? Go find out. Your President is a mouthpiece. He's a blow job. He opens his mouth and blows. He's done nothing for the American economy. Not a damn thing but start a trade war with China and Europe he has no idea how to finish. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, Rue said: Repatriate jobs in the US? That has not happened and will not happen. You think when given a choice of cheap slave labour in third world countries of having to pay people even the minimum wage in the US, businesses will repatriate? That sounds very socialist of you. How wonderfully romantic and nationalistic of you to buy into that horsecrap of a lie. Well, economic orthodoxy says that trade imbalances should even out in the long term when currencies are free. Couldn't that happen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CITIZEN_2015 Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 (edited) I demanded at the beginning back in February to CLOSE the damn borders. Nobody listened and the government kept borders open until the pandemic took over Canada too, mainly by travelers back in February and March. As a result over 7000 Canadians died and now the pandemic is slowing BUT KEEP THE DAMN BORDERS CLOSED until there is a vaccine for this disease and most Canadians are vaccinated. Edited June 22, 2020 by CITIZEN_2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Rue said: Repatriate jobs in the US? That has not happened and will not happen. You think when given a choice of cheap slave labour in third world countries of having to pay people even the minimum wage in the US, businesses will repatriate? That sounds very socialist of you. How wonderfully romantic and nationalistic of you to buy into that horsecrap of a lie. ...and how Canadian of you to worry about it. Trump was doing very well on jobs growth before COVID-19, but you will never admit that. China or Canada...doesn't matter to me if it means bringing jobs back to the U.S. Coronavirus accelerates the opportunity to bring more jobs home. Quote According to Moser's research, things have picked up under Trump, with work largely shifting away mostly from China and other parts of Asia. “In 2017, companies announced 170,000 manufacturing jobs coming back from offshore, up 50 percent from 2016.” (This includes both reshoring and foreign direct investment jobs.) https://www.pri.org/stories/2018-12-26/trump-hypes-jobs-relocating-back-us-are-they Edited June 22, 2020 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Trump was doing very well on jobs growth before COVID-19, but you will never admit that. So was Obama before he left office, you'll never admit that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 2 minutes ago, Boges said: So was Obama before he left office, you'll never admit that. Sure I will, and did so in several threads, with charts and graphs. Trump did better on more manufacturing jobs that Obama said would never come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 22, 2020 Report Share Posted June 22, 2020 CBC News takes on the Trudeau government's response to COVID-19....ouch ! Quote COVID-19 taught Canada a costly lesson — that early border closures can work https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/covid-coronavirus-pandemic-trudeau-borders-1.5619705 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted June 23, 2020 Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 Bill Maher with a great prospective on the virus. Nobody has perspective anymore. What ever happened to it? Did progressives cancel that too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted June 23, 2020 Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 (edited) Big beach party in Toronto this weekend: Quote Images coming out of Cherry Beach on Saturday, June 20, shocked many social media users due to the sheer volume of bodies seen gathered along the sand: more than you'd usually see on a Saturday afternoon at the shady beach, and way more than what the province legally permits at this time. Link The article makes a rather significant observation: Quote Despite the histrionic cries of nay-sayers who warned that the Bellwoods situation would most definitely lead to another COVID-19 outbreak, Toronto Public Health stated on June 8 that there had "been no evidence of increased COVID-19 activity that can be linked to the gathering in Trinity Bellwoods Park on May 23rd," despite mass social distancing violations. This is evidence, not opinion. Edited June 23, 2020 by OftenWrong added link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted June 23, 2020 Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 13 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: Big beach party in Toronto this weekend: Link The article makes a rather significant observation: This is evidence, not opinion. It seems that outdoor exposure is a lot less of an issue. Especially with all the warm weather. That being said, those people are way to close. What's the issue is people gathering indoors: clubs, bars and restaurants. . . Orrrrr political rallies. The spike in cases in the South and Western US can't be denied. They're seeing spikes and because they're not likely to shut down again, the curve may be way more difficult to flatten. Canada, Europe and the Northeast US have all seen cases, deaths and hospitalizations drop. The shutdown, mask wearing and cautious opening has certainly helped handle COVID-19. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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