Boges Posted June 24, 2020 Report Posted June 24, 2020 15 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: California did better than New York, Ontario, and Quebec, but still have hot spots. California is now a Hotspot, likely because of neighbouring states. Quote Why ? Did Ontario and Quebec "see it coming" ? Much of the Western World saw it coming when Italy became a shit show. That's why we all locked down in Mid-March. The places that opened up early and not in stages are now suffering from a resurgence. Quote
Boges Posted June 24, 2020 Report Posted June 24, 2020 17 minutes ago, Shady said: Exactly, if you look at the rates of infection and fatality, New York dwarfs them by a factor of a hundred, if not more. Those states have been open for 2 months, and only recently have seen an increase of cases. It's not because of when they opened, it's people getting complacent. Which is natural and be expected. Just like the parks and beaches were packed with people in Ontario this past weekend. People are going to live their lives. There may never be a vaccine. Some people still don't understand that, and think that lockdowns will go on indefinitely. Some states in the US will become the next New York and Italy based on hospitalization rates. GOP governors refuse to do anything about it. Except in Texas where Shutdowns may return. Remember when Texas had like no cases? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 24, 2020 Report Posted June 24, 2020 1 minute ago, Boges said: Much of the Western World saw it coming when Italy became a shit show. That's why we all locked down in Mid-March. The places that opened up early and not in stages are now suffering from a resurgence. Resurgence compared to what ? Many have still done far better than New York, Quebec, or Ontario. More cases are expected for several reasons, in many areas. That is the choice that has been made. Just get on with it.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted June 24, 2020 Report Posted June 24, 2020 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Just get on with it.... No. People said that shutdowns where panicky and un-needed. The fact that previous hotspot can now safely and gradually re-open, but US states that scoffed at the shutdowns are now struggling is most certainly a teaching moment. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 24, 2020 Report Posted June 24, 2020 Just now, Boges said: No. People said that shutdowns where panicky and un-needed. The fact that previous hotspot can now safely and gradually re-open, but US states that scoffed at the shutdowns are now struggling is most certainly a teaching moment. Nonsense....shutdowns were to "bend the curve" for hospital capacity, not any kind of teaching moment. Get your story straight...if you have one. Many areas around the world are re-opening regardless of what you think about it. 1 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted June 24, 2020 Report Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Nonsense....shutdowns were to "bend the curve" for hospital capacity, not any kind of teaching moment. Get your story straight...if you have one. Many areas around the world are re-opening regardless of what you think about it. The teaching moment is that whole "Bend the Curve" mentality is completely lost on places in the US that are seeing a a spike now. There are a comparable number of active COVID cases in the state of Arizona than all of Canada. That's a shit show. Edited June 24, 2020 by Boges Quote
Shady Posted June 24, 2020 Report Posted June 24, 2020 25 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Resurgence compared to what ? Many have still done far better than New York, Quebec, or Ontario. More cases are expected for several reasons, in many areas. That is the choice that has been made. Just get on with it.... Places that opened early are not seeing increases because they opened early. That is a flat out lie. They’ve been opened for 2 months and have seen increases in the last week or so. Quote
Shady Posted June 24, 2020 Report Posted June 24, 2020 Regardless, cases isn't really the most important thing, it's hospitalizations. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 24, 2020 Report Posted June 24, 2020 49 minutes ago, Boges said: The teaching moment is that whole "Bend the Curve" mentality is completely lost on places in the US that are seeing a a spike now. There are a comparable number of active COVID cases in the state of Arizona than all of Canada. That's a shit show. So Arizona bad, but Ontario, Quebec, and New York good. Got it....and it makes no sense except for your anti-Trump/GOP crusade...from Canada. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted June 24, 2020 Report Posted June 24, 2020 55 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: So Arizona bad, but Ontario, Quebec, and New York good. Got it....and it makes no sense except for your anti-Trump/GOP crusade...from Canada. Just a Canadian pointing out the the US seems completely incapable of getting this virus under control. Unlike almost all other developed nations on Earth. Quote
Shady Posted June 24, 2020 Report Posted June 24, 2020 Again, hospitalizations are the most important factor, not cases. Regardless, do the lockdown enthusiasts know that there may never be a vaccine for covid-19? That means, you need to take care of yourself and make sure your immune system is strong, and then live your life. Quote
Boges Posted June 24, 2020 Report Posted June 24, 2020 12 minutes ago, Shady said: Again, hospitalizations are the most important factor, not cases. Regardless, do the lockdown enthusiasts know that there may never be a vaccine for covid-19? That means, you need to take care of yourself and make sure your immune system is strong, and then live your life. Hospitalizations are up in these states too. And Hospitalizations and Deaths are lag indicators from a spike in positive cases. We're still seeing 10 or so deaths a day in Ontario, likely lagging from when the cases load was much higher a few weeks ago. Being healthy is something Murikans have a bit problem with. Your friend Bill Maher reminds everyone of that regularly. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 24, 2020 Report Posted June 24, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Boges said: Just a Canadian pointing out the the US seems completely incapable of getting this virus under control. Unlike almost all other developed nations on Earth. You are continuing to contradict yourself....praising New York....which is part of the U.S. For some reason it is very important for you to compare "all other developed nations" to America, while refusing to do the same for Canada. California has far more confirmed cases (178K) but far fewer deaths than Canada, which has a smaller population/density, spike or not. Edited June 24, 2020 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Shady Posted June 24, 2020 Report Posted June 24, 2020 43 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: You are continuing to contradict yourself....praising New York....which is part of the U.S. For some reason it is very important for you to compare "all other developed nations" to America, while refusing to do the same for Canada. California has far more confirmed cases (178K) but far fewer deaths than Canada, which has a smaller population/density, spike or not. It should have read "Just a Canadian obsessed with the US". Quote
OftenWrong Posted June 24, 2020 Report Posted June 24, 2020 6 hours ago, eyeball said: You're the topic as evidenced by your response. Speaking of being on topic what does your its-just-the-flu expert have to do with your precious concern for dead drug addicts? What will you when Dr Henry declares the 2nd wave lockdown, find a new expert that's more on topic? I gave you polite answers showing the experts I have cited. I am not the topic. My purpose in coming here is not to lie or deceive people, or make them hurt. Any of you who think that should kindly fuck right off. You know who you are. You don't deserve an answer from me. Now since you have no more questions on topic... Quote
Boges Posted June 25, 2020 Report Posted June 25, 2020 15 hours ago, Shady said: It should have read "Just a Canadian obsessed with the US". Yep, the US is bungling COVID-19 very badly and it's worth discussing. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 25, 2020 Report Posted June 25, 2020 11 minutes ago, Boges said: Yep, the US is bungling COVID-19 very badly and it's worth discussing. It is also is a fine distraction from this...worth discussing: Quote Canada ranks among worst in OECD for long-term care deaths Canada has done a far worse job of protecting nursing-home residents from the coronavirus than other wealthy countries, according to a new analysis that shows the places that fared best made sweeping changes at seniors’ facilities as soon as they shut their societies down. Just over 80 per cent of Canada’s known COVID-19 deaths were in residents of nursing or retirement homes as of May 25, nearly double the average for countries in the Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development, says a new report from Canada’s health care statistics agency. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-new-data-show-canada-ranks-among-worlds-worst-for-ltc-deaths/ Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted June 25, 2020 Report Posted June 25, 2020 16 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: You are continuing to contradict yourself....praising New York....which is part of the U.S. For some reason it is very important for you to compare "all other developed nations" to America, while refusing to do the same for Canada. California has far more confirmed cases (178K) but far fewer deaths than Canada, which has a smaller population/density, spike or not. The death rate will drop as doctors find out how to treat the disease. Unless. . . the hospitalization rate spills over capacity. Which is very possibly in Sunbelt states in the US. Then you have another New York, Italy and Spain. During the peak of the outbreak in Canada, there were never 4,000 cases a day like we're seeing in Florida right now. I'm praising New York for getting a handle on the virus. They shutdown, the cases dropped and now they're gradually re-opening. That's the blueprint for controlling COVID. That seems to be lost on Sunbelt states where wearing a mask is somehow a political issue. Quote
Boges Posted June 25, 2020 Report Posted June 25, 2020 6 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: It is also is a fine distraction from this...worth discussing: It's also worth discussing how this means that Canadian community spread is quite low. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 25, 2020 Report Posted June 25, 2020 1 minute ago, Boges said: The death rate will drop as doctors find out how to treat the disease. Unless. . . the hospitalization rate spills over capacity. Which is very possibly in Sunbelt states in the US. Then you have another New York, Italy and Spain. During the peak of the outbreak in Canada, there were never 4,000 cases a day like we're seeing in Florida right now. Florida and Canada are two very different places, and Canada has not kept up with testing capacity or certificates of death for presumed cases. The rate for infection and hospitalizations were fully expected to increase. Quote I'm praising New York for getting a handle on the virus. They shutdown, the cases dropped and now they're gradually re-opening. That's the blueprint for controlling COVID. That seems to be lost on Sunbelt states where wearing a mask is somehow a political issue. They were told not to wear masks early on...same as some of the clueless doctors in Canada. Blueprint ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 25, 2020 Report Posted June 25, 2020 2 minutes ago, Boges said: It's also worth discussing how this means that Canadian community spread is quite low. Great...just kill off the old geezers instead...great blueprint ! Sorry grandma....it is more important to worry about the Sunbelt in another country. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Boges Posted June 25, 2020 Report Posted June 25, 2020 14 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Great...just kill off the old geezers instead...great blueprint ! Sorry grandma....it is more important to worry about the Sunbelt in another country. Well you're quoting a story from a few months ago. Much has been done to help spread in LTC Homes. Even in the US, LTC has been a problem. It's a closed environment filled with all people at risk of death from COVID. What's being done to stop community Spread in the Southern US? In fact some God fearing people are actually playing defence to stopping the spread. https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/2020/06/24/mask-mandate-florida-anger-erupts-coronavirus-vpx.cnn Quote
Shady Posted June 25, 2020 Report Posted June 25, 2020 35 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Great...just kill off the old geezers instead...great blueprint ! Sorry grandma....it is more important to worry about the Sunbelt in another country. People still continue to ignore population density as a major cause of virus spread. Also complacency. States that have been open for close to 2 months are experiencing that, just like New York will after it's been open for a couple of months. It's just natural. Quote
Boges Posted June 25, 2020 Report Posted June 25, 2020 17 minutes ago, Shady said: People still continue to ignore population density as a major cause of virus spread. Also complacency. States that have been open for close to 2 months are experiencing that, just like New York will after it's been open for a couple of months. It's just natural. In the US, you're seeing spread now that are greater than the original spread in April. If people wear masks in public and continue a level of Social Distancing, you may not see a noticeable spike going forward. There's no evidence that COVID-19 will come back harder in the fall/winter. A second wave can be avoided with behaviour. Europe, Oceana, and Canada have been able to keep new infections down despite re-opening measures. I just checked Italy, their new cases are below even Canada's. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 25, 2020 Report Posted June 25, 2020 44 minutes ago, Boges said: Well you're quoting a story from a few months ago. Much has been done to help spread in LTC Homes. Even in the US, LTC has been a problem. It's a closed environment filled with all people at risk of death from COVID. A few months ago...nice try. The latest study was posted just a few hours ago in the Globe & Mail. Canada is far worse than the U.S. and many other "developed nations" for LTC deaths from COVID-19. Quote What's being done to stop community Spread in the Southern US? Spread it faster to get it over with. Does Canada even have a Sunbelt ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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