Pipeline protestors need to be jailed

[bush_cheney2004]

7 minutes ago, mowich said:

And after they removed all the thugs and outside interlopers, they had to spend thousands of dollars cleaning up the toxic mess left by the so-called 'defenders of the land and water'.  Same bullshit that goes on with any protest here in Canada - the worst polluters are always those that say they are there to 'defend' something. 

 

The epic failure here is on the part of government...provincial and federal.   Clueless...leaderless...gutless.

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The Trudeau government yet again disguising their fear and impotence with feel good rhetoric. 

They're not afraid of the protestors, they're not afraid of the NDPindians, they're afraid of the Mohawks.

This is why the Mohawks won at Oka, they don't have to go there again since, because just the threat of another Oka is enough to deter the Laurentian Elites.

[mowich]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

The epic failure here is on the part of government...provincial and federal.   Clueless...leaderless...gutless.

I could not agree with you more, bush_cheney 2004.  Our virtue-signalling sickening excuse for a PM hasn't the guts to stand up for the rule of law.  He can mouth all the platitudes he wants but when Canada really needs a strong leader this puke is missing in action.

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

The epic failure here is on the part of government...provincial and federal.   Clueless...leaderless...gutless.

No, it's just that Canada,  to wit Confederation itself is a failed state.

It's not Mexico North yet, because it is propped up by special access to the American markets.

None the less, doesn't matter who is voted in, doesn't matter if you elect a bunch of stalwart heroic geniuses, all the Queen's Horses & all the Queen's men cannot make Confederation work, the failure is built right into the DNA.   It's an archaic British Imperial project which is not dynamic enough to withstand the buffeting of 21st century Information War.

[mowich]

If the Canadian media had an ounce of integrity, they would pull all their so-called journalists and reporters off this story.  Let the mobs and the thugs carry on with their illegal blockades but not a single Canadian news outlet should be seen reporting on them.  No coverage except that which highlights the MAJORITY of FNs and Canadians who support the projects.  Quit pandering to these punks.

[Dougie93]

If you get into an escalatory tit for tat with the Mohawks the whole world's media is going to show up.

That's what saved the Mohawks back in 1990, the whole world was watching.

You can't control CNN.

[Dougie93]

It's like back in 90' at one point a bunch of protestors showed up at my location and since it was just a bunch of leftie protestor types, I had no fear of them.

So I just walk right out and halt them in their tracks.

But as soon as I did that, there were like six cameras in my face, one of which was CNN.

Then I was like a deer in the headlights looking for a way back to being just a face in the ranks.

[Dougie93]

The other thing is that the Liberals are in the middle of pandering for votes for the UN Security Council Seat.

They're up against Ireland, Ireland is going to win, but the Liberals are still going to try.

Can't be having a conflagration with your Aboriginals while you're running for the UNSC.

[Grand Mal]

On 2/11/2020 at 10:25 AM, Argus said:

The ongoing protests in BC, Ontario and elsewhere show the depths of ignorance, stupidity and vapid self-indulgence we've come to expect from much of the activist and progressive populations, along with the sheer bloody cowardice of our governments.

Recall, the pipeline being protested was signed off on by the elected chiefs and band councils of the tribes in the area. The 'hereditary' chiefs tried to get elected in opposition to the pipeline, and failed. From which we can determine the natives in the area didn't care what they had to say and wanted the pipeline and the money and jobs that would bring.

No matter. A chance to protest pipelines?! Progressives aren't gonna miss that if they have the slightest excuse! Watch them standing their, chins elevated, filled with the sense of righteous self-granted nobility and arrogance you only see from those with an enormous regard for themselves. They're 'standing with the natives'! Well, not the actual natives, just the 'hereditary chiefs', who should be in charge, you know! This democracy stuff was imposed by colonialism (yes, they say this.

The bunch sitting on the rail tracks are much the same. Some of them are Mohawks, Many aren't. The Mohawk chief says he didn't authorize any protest and neither did the band council. No matter. The OPP is standing around shaking in terror at the thought of having to say "Boo' to a native. Meanwhile in Vancouver, the police arrested angry people trying to pull down the barricades natives and their far left allies erected in the middle of the road. Arrest the protestors? Oh no! The horror! The horror! Run away! Run away! (that seems to be the motto of both Canada's governments and its police departments whenever native protesters show up).

I'm reminded of a movie called Soylent Green, a cult hit. In one of the scenes, these huge garbage trucks with their scoopers on the ground in front of them move into protesting crowds, scoop them up and dump them into the back of their trucks, to be carted out and processed as food. Excellent idea! I'm sure they'd all be delighted at being recycled into dog food. They're all environmentalists, after all.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/stephen-ledrew-canada-should-enforce-the-law-with-wetsuweten-anti-pipeline-protests?video_autoplay=true

Sounds like there's no shortage of drama queens on both sides of the issue.

[DogOnPorch]

I like The Rebel's question to the protesters: "What is being carried in the gas pipeline?"

Responses were...

Bitumen! 

Crude oil!

Black death!

Think of the environment if there's a spill!

Doh!

[Dougie93]

Reconciliation will never be achieved, Canada will never be able to sign the surrender on the deck of the battleship in order to be officially reconciled.

Nor will Canada change its spots, Keep The Indians Down is baked right into the Confederation Cake.

[eyeball]

On 2/11/2020 at 10:25 AM, Argus said:

The ongoing protests in BC, Ontario and elsewhere show the depths of ignorance, stupidity and vapid self-indulgence we've come to expect from much of the activist and progressive populations

And this one sentence captures the depth of ignorance, stupidity and greedy indifference we've come to expect from right-wing conservatives.  I've long wondered what it is about conserving that conservatives don't get and I think I'm coming to the conclusion that it's strictly right-wing conservatives that are the problem not left wing conservatives.

You people need to be stopped in your tracks and the economy needs to be put on a path towards zero growth so there's still a world worth living in for the future.

[Argus]

37 minutes ago, eyeball said:

And this one sentence captures the depth of ignorance, stupidity and greedy indifference we've come to expect from right-wing conservatives.  I've long wondered what it is about conserving that conservatives don't get and I think I'm coming to the conclusion that it's strictly right-wing conservatives that are the problem not left wing conservatives.

You people need to be stopped in your tracks and the economy needs to be put on a path towards zero growth so there's still a world worth living in for the future.

Oh cry, cry little snowflake. Conservatives built the world. Conservatives are responsible for the greatest cut in world poverty in all history. And you people on the Left don't know a damn thing about economies except how to run them into the ground by taxing the hell out of all the productive people to incentivize the unproductive into staying unproductive.

Edited February 17, 2020 by Argus

[Nefarious Banana]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

 You people need to be stopped in your tracks and the economy needs to be put on a path towards zero growth so there's still a world worth living in for the future.

Just how are all the social programs you left wingers expect . . . . to be paid for.  You really come up with some ignorant statements.  

[Dougie93]

As a right wing conservative I'm perfectly happy for the leftists to #ShutCanadaDown

Canada is an entirely leftist project at this point, so by all means, knock yourselves out.

[Grand Mal]

1 hour ago, Argus said:

Oh cry, cry little snowflake. Conservatives built the world. Conservatives are responsible for the greatest cut in world poverty in all history. And you people on the Left don't know a damn thing about economies except how to run them into the ground by taxing the hell out of all the productive people to incentivize the unproductive into staying unproductive.

Liberals won for you every right and freedom you enjoy, and they fought against conservatives every step of the way. It's still happening. Gay marriags rights, drug law reform, womens right to safe abortion, all resisted by conservatives. The next one will be the right to assisted suicide. Liberals will win that right too, and they'll be opposed by conservatives. Again. Here it is in a nutshell...

Liberal- We can make this better.

Conservative- I liked it how it was before.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Argus said:

Oh cry, cry little snowflake. Conservatives built the world. Conservatives are responsible for the greatest cut in world poverty in all history.

Cool. Now its time for snowflakes to renovate the world and take responsibility for sustaining that well into the future.  

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And you people on the Left don't know a damn thing about economies except how to run them into the ground by taxing the hell out of all the productive people to incentivize the unproductive into staying unproductive.

That's just a stupid Fox New's meme that's been beamed into your brain.  You may think you're some slick shit conservative that's risen above the swamp of intolerable ignorance that passes for right-wing conservatism these days but statements like the one above indicate otherwise.   

The problem with conservatives is they don't know or care a damn bit about the environment and ecosystems at the very foundation of the economy and behave as if we can just grow and consume with no end in sight.

I say again, exactly what the hell is it about conserving that conservatives don't understand or have eschewed and forsaken or written off?  What the hell is the matter with you idiots?

Edited February 17, 2020 by eyeball

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Nefarious Banana said:

Just how are all the social programs you left wingers expect . . . . to be paid for.  You really come up with some ignorant statements.  

The same thing its paid for with now, human ingenuity capital and labour....wtf is the matter with you people?

[Grand Mal]

3 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Cool. Now its time for snowflakes to renovate the world and take responsibility for sustaining that well into the future.  

That's just a stupid Fox New's meme that's been beamed into your brain.  You may think you're some slick shit conservative that's risen above the swamp of intolerable ignorance that passes for right-wing conservatism these days but statements like the one above indicate otherwise.   

The problem is that you right wing conservative people don't know or care a damn bit about the environment and ecosystems that is foundational to the economy and behave as if we can just grow and consume with no end in sight.

I say again, exactly what the hell is it about conserving that conservatives don't understand or have eschewed and forsaken or written off?  What the hell is the matter with you idiots?

What's the matter with those idiots, conservatives, is that they can't see an inch beyond what they've been told on any topic. They will fall in lockstep and toes on the line they've been told to toe by whomever they see as the boss. Here's how it works for conservatives- you know that sign behind the cash register in every diner that says, "If you're so smart, how come you're not rich?". The other side of that sign says, "If you're rich, you must be smart!" and conservatives want to be seen as smart by agreeing with rich people. A conservative who loves to hunt and fish, for example, will be against environmental issues because that's leftist and wealthy people told him to toe the line. 

[eyeball]

36 minutes ago, Grand Mal said:

What's the matter with those idiots, conservatives, is that they can't see an inch beyond what they've been told on any topic. They will fall in lockstep and toes on the line they've been told to toe by whomever they see as the boss. Here's how it works for conservatives- you know that sign behind the cash register in every diner that says, "If you're so smart, how come you're not rich?". The other side of that sign says, "If you're rich, you must be smart!" and conservatives want to be seen as smart by agreeing with rich people. A conservative who loves to hunt and fish, for example, will be against environmental issues because that's leftist and wealthy people told him to toe the line. 

Conservatives say the same or similar things so... I doubt the dialog amongst anyone plunging over a cliff in a car is very nuanced.

[Zeitgeist]

6 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

Reconciliation will never be achieved, Canada will never be able to sign the surrender on the deck of the battleship in order to be officially reconciled.

Nor will Canada change its spots, Keep The Indians Down is baked right into the Confederation Cake.

Okay, let’s look at the alternatives.  Let’s suppose the Trudeau Liberal impotence continues and the blockades remain in place.  The layoffs have already started, so let’s play this out.  Within two weeks the food and fuel shortages seriously kick in.  Job losses mount.  Economic projections spiral downwards. If the government and police inaction continues at that point, labour will finally demand the NDP support the Conservatives in a non-confidence vote.  A coalition government forms, perhaps with some defections of MP’s from the Liberals to the Conservatives.  If at that point the NDP refuse to support removing the blockades, there will either have to be a snap election, which will likely lead to a Conservative majority or, if the coalition already has a Conservative PM, the military can be summoned by the PMO on grounds of national security.  Either way, we will get to action, but the longer it takes, the greater the pull on the elastic, and the greater the blowback.  The longer the standoff, the more likely the violence.  

If even the Conservatives proved impotent on this, then your prediction of Canada becoming a failed state becomes a real possibility.  That would be a worst case scenario for Indigenous, as treaties wouldn’t be honoured and departmental budgets would collapse under a provisional government with no Crown obligations.  No funding for the north.  RCMP collapses or devolves to the provinces.  Same goes for military.  Provinces and territories fend for themselves.  Cities with their own police forces would defend their assets under constrained budgets.  The poorest have-not provinces and territories would be abandoned without a federal government.  The remote, expensive to maintain hinterlands of the provinces would be abandoned.  The only really resilient places would be the biggest and richest cities.  

If the economy and security really tanked, then I could see the US intervening and setting terms. They would have no treaty obligations and no responsibility to respect Canadian laws, institutions, and government, but they’d probably make the trains run on time to protect trade and investments.  So, either we solve these problems ourselves or others step in with their own solutions in their own interests.  

Edited February 17, 2020 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

9 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

then your prediction of Canada becoming a failed state becomes a real possibility. 

It already is a failed state, not all failed states are Somalia, Canada is a failed state like Austria-Hungary or Czechoslovakia, not Somalia

 

[Zeitgeist]

17 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

It already is a failed state, not all failed states are Somalia, Canada is a failed state like Austria-Hungary or Czechoslovakia, not Somalia

 

Canada has been a great success, but it’s a small population scattered across a vast territory.  Trudeau has empowered too many radical threats.  His naïveté and government overreach, overspending and focusing too much attention on matters that aren’t central to governing, are putting the country at risk.  Having a seat on a UN Security Council that our closest allies ignore doesn’t mean much of anything, but having a functioning freight and passenger rail network is critical to the economy.  This has been the theme for Trudeau: stoke identity politics, elevate fringe anti-Canadian narratives, play up the human rights rhetoric while undermining the military that could enforce them. This guy needs to take a hard line soon or he will lose any remaining political currency   

 

Edited February 17, 2020 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Canada has been a great success, but it’s a small population scattered across a vast territory.  Trudeau has empowered too many radical threats.  His naïveté and government overreach, overspending and focusing too much attention on matters that aren’t central to governing, are putting the country at risk.  Having a seat on a UN Security Council that our closest allies ignore doesn’t mean much of anything, but having a functioning freight and passenger rail network is critical to the economy.  This has been the theme for Trudeau: stoke identity politics, elevate fringe anti-Canadian narratives, play up the human rights rhetoric while undermining the military that could enforce them. This guy needs to take a hard line soon or he will lose any remaining political currency  

You simply don't understand what Canada is, you've invented a Canada which doesn't exist and then declared that delusion to be a great success.

Canada is not an idea, that is, again, simply imposing the American paradigm unto Canada to fill the void which Canada has become.

Canada is not the rocks, Canada is not the trees, Canada is not even the economy

Canada is simply an agreement to keep the Americans out, keep the French in, and keep the Indians down.

All of which has failed or is in the process of failing.

[Dougie93]

And Justin Trudeau is not the cause of the failure of Confederation, he's just a symptom.

The vacuous empty void that is Justin Trudeau is simply a product of the void which Canada has dissipated itself into.

To wit, Justin Trudeau did not produce this la-la-land, this la-la-land produced Justin Trudeau.

Edited February 17, 2020 by Dougie93