Pipeline protestors need to be jailed

[bush_cheney2004]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

...If the economy and security really tanked, then I could see the US intervening and setting terms. They would have no treaty obligations and no responsibility to respect Canadian laws, institutions, and government, but they’d probably make the trains run on time to protect trade and investments.  So, either we solve these problems ourselves or others step in with their own solutions in their own interests.  

 

I love this...nothing gets added attention like bringing the American bogeyman to a domestic crisis in Canada.

...but you are right at one level...don't make us come up there, because if we do we are bringing a lot of whup-ass with us.  Fort Drum is just across the border in upstate New York.

 

Edited February 17, 2020 by bush_cheney2004

[Dougie93]

11 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

I love this...nothing gets added attention like bringing the American bogeyman to a domestic crisis in Canada

Indeed a bogey and a canard, but not factual, there is a treaty, it's called the Continental Defense & Security Agreement.

It does bind Americans to follow Canadian law in Canada and that wouldn't be a problem for NORTHCOM

Canada's problem is Canadians obeying and or enforcing their own laws, if the Pentagon is called in, it would be to do that for Canada because Canada is not able.

 

[bush_cheney2004]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Indeed a bogey and a canard, but not factual, there is a treaty, it's called the Continental Defense & Security Agreement.

It does bind Americans to follow Canadian law in Canada and that wouldn't be a problem for NORTHCOM

Canada's problem is Canadians obeying and or enforcing their own laws, if the Pentagon is called in, it would be to do that for Canada because Canada is not able.

 

 

Forgiveness is easier to get than permission.   The Americans were also on Pierre Trudeau's mind when he decided to break Canadian law to stop the October Crisis. 

He didn't want to deal with the optics of American troops putting down an insurrection in Canada.

Now Justin Trudeau has finally cancelled his well timed (February) trip to Barbados to get his ass back home and show his strong leadership.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/trudeau-cabinet-rail-blockades-1.5465966

 

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Forgiveness is easier to get than permission.  

The meme of Americans running roughshod over foreign laws is a false one. 

The relationship between the US and Canadian military is such that the two can seamlessly integrate.

The commander of the Canadian Army, Gen. Eyre just came from Korea where he was the Three Star Deputy, the only foreign officer to ever hold the post.

It would be Team America and Johnny Canuck together vs. the Extinction Rebellion

 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

The meme of Americans running roughshod over foreign laws is a false one.

 

Doesn't matter, because that meme is very healthy in the Canadian psyche, the latest version being a panic over U.S. customs pre-checks at Canadian airports.  

The real civil strife risk here is not so much the natives, but the non-native sympathizers who have joined the cause.

You know somebody is asking why they can't at least arrest the "white people" !

 

[Dougie93]

9 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

The real civil strife risk here is not so much the natives, but the non-native sympathizers who have joined the cause.

You know somebody is asking why they can't at least arrest the "white people" !

 

Exactly, and that's exactly what I would do.

Avoid the Mohawks, go after the white college kids, with the Counter Terrorism Act. 

Deep six them into an extrajudicial black hole for the duration.

[bush_cheney2004]

Hell, trains that don't run on time (or at all) is one of the oldest memes for government dysfunction.    Even the new Ottawaaaaaaaa LRT is a hot mess.

 

Quote

"At least Mussolini made the trains run on time."

 

 

 

[Dougie93]

That's the other funny part, where Zeitgeist thinks Canadian law offers more protections than American law.

It's not the case tho, if a Canadian government wants to take the gloves off, they don't need the War Measures Act.

The Minister for Public Safety in Canada has far more latitude to round people up and throw them in detention than any American politician including the POTUS

They have carte blanche here, they can do whatever they want, there is no congressional oversight in Canada.

[bush_cheney2004]

It just takes Team Trudeau a long time to figure things out.    They are reactive, not pro-active.

Only now is a "crisis team" being organized.

I guess the corona virus evacuation fiasco wasn't enough incompetence for one month.

[Dougie93]

The other thing to note is that there is one place where the protestors are being arrested.

And that is on the pipeline route.

Like I say, they are not afraid of the NDPindians, the Mountie ERT is on the ground in BC hauling the protestors away

The protestors are just camped out in  the woods so the Mounties have to walk in to get to the camp.

This pipeline is going through in the end, it's part of a forty billion dollar project which is owned by the Japanese, Koreans and Chinese.

The Liberals are just stalling for time while the RCMP carries on.

It's not the Mounties in BC refusing to enforce the law, it's the OPP in Ontario.   Where, again, they are afraid of the Mohawks.

Edited February 17, 2020 by Dougie93

[bush_cheney2004]

9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The other thing to note is that there is one place where the protestors are being arrested.

 

This just puts more pressure on the inaction elsewhere.

It is now Monday...a work day in bustling Canada...(but not for me).  

It will be interesting to see if new pain points emerge because rolling stock ain't a rollin'.

 

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

This just puts more pressure on the inaction elsewhere.

It is now Monday...a work day in bustling Canada...(but not for me).  

It will be interesting to see if new pain points emerge because rolling stock ain't a rollin'.

 

This is not the main event, this is just nascent.

The sea change is that the Climate Doomsday Cult has discovered what the Mohawks already know.

Canada cannot secure its lines of communications across such vast and remote territory with such a tiny army and security force.

Thus Canada can be ground to a halt, relatively quickly and easily, by quite a small cohort of simply determined individuals.

Because this a Doomsday Cult, as they progress along their narrative towards the Doomsday, they will no doubt become even more hysterical.

This is just a taste of what is going to become a persistent threat with ever more insistent attempts to sabotage.

[Dougie93]

The protestors don't have to win outright, they just have to poison the waters of investment to make Canada such a pain in the ass that the capital simply walks away.

In this case they won't be able to, because there is really big Asian money behind this project, so this project is going to be rammed through in the end.

But most investors, those not backed by China, are going to stay away when the Extinction Rebellion becomes what Canada is known for.

This is also how China will continue to subjugate Canada nary a shot fired, as China becomes the only investor willing to deal with Canada on this scale.

Edited February 17, 2020 by Dougie93

[bush_cheney2004]

18 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

...The sea change is that the Climate Doomsday Cult has discovered what the Mohawks already know.

Canada cannot secure its lines of communications across such vast and remote territory with such a tiny army and security force.

Thus Canada can be ground to a halt, relatively quickly and easily, by quite a small cohort of simply determined individuals.

 

Trudeau will just blame Facebook and smartphones.   Black Lives Matter tried these tactics on U.S. interstates but failed when state patrol officers pre-empted the protests by closing ramps and diverting traffic.   Tear gas and arrests soon followed.

I was surprised a few years back when the failure of the new Nipigon River Bridge stopped east-west vehicle traffic for all of Canada.   Can one highway bridge really do that ?   And now the rail lines have no workable redundancy, for protests or disaster.

It's like government doesn't want to anticipate these possibilities, or plan to do anything about it even if they could.

 

Edited February 17, 2020 by bush_cheney2004

[bush_cheney2004]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

This is also how China will continue to subjugate Canada nary a shot fired, as China becomes the only investor willing to deal with Canada on this scale.

 

True dat...China specializes in backfilling failed states with their own brand of getting the trains to run on time.  

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

It's like government doesn't want to anticipate these possibilities, or plan to do anything about it even if they could.

The government is captured by parochial regional interests, like Unifor, or JD Irving,

Once they've handed out the pork to those interests, they don't have much money left over to do the infrastructure, also why the military has collapsed.

Also, Canadians are pathologically cheap, they're not in favour of spending money on anything, unless it is ostensibly do gooderism.

That is why everybody in Canada has a sob story, that's how you get the money from the nanny state.

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

True dat...China specializes in backfilling failed states with their own brand of getting the trains to run on time.  

Indeed, Hockey Night In Canada brought to you by Hauwei says it all.

If America is not going to tie Canada's shoelaces for them anymore, Canada has to find someone else to do it, because Canada can't do it, because Canada is a failed state which cannot function without an external hegemonic power running its macro affairs. 

[bush_cheney2004]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The government is captured by parochial regional interests, like Unifor, or JD Irving,

Once they've handed out the pork to those interests, they don't have much money left over to do the infrastructure, also why the military has collapsed.

Also, Canadians are pathologically cheap, they're not in favour of spending money on anything, unless it is ostensibly do gooderism.

That is why everybody in Canada has a sob story, that's how you get the money from the nanny state.

 

"Peace, order, and good government" only works until one group decides to blow things up.   Then chaos has to be dealt with on the defensive.

Pierre Trudeau's "just watch me" legacy is now a problem for the newly bearded Justin.

There is a time for "dialogue"...and there is a time for action.

 

[Dougie93]

Zeitgeist's assertion that "Canada" is a great success is simply not true.

Canada has always been a clown show, it was a clown show when Britiain was running it, it has been clown show while America has been running it too.

The saving grave has been big British and American projects, run for Canada, wherein Canada provided the labourers.

It's like saying Canada has been a great success in Space, because NASA let them put the CANADARM on the Space Shuttle.

Like as if NASA couldn't build their own robot arm, they had to go to Canada for one, this is the kind of Kool Aid Canada drinks.

Canada, on its own, unprompted nor assisted by America and/or Britain, has actually done jack shit for all intents and purposes in 150 years.

Edited February 17, 2020 by Dougie93

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

...The saving grave has been big British and American projects, run for Canada, wherein Canada provided the labourers.

It's like saying Canada has been a great success in Space, because NASA let them put the CANADARM on the Space Shuttle.

 

It's worse than that....Canada now wants to ignore its own history in favour of virtue signaling, apologizing for anything and everything that built the nation to begin with.   It is now a "post national state" with serious domestic issues that are deflected by pointing at Trump / America.

 

 

[Dougie93]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

It's worse than that....Canada now wants to ignore its own history in favour of virtue signaling, apologizing for anything and everything that built the nation to begin with.   It is now a "post national state" with serious domestic issues that are deflected by pointing at Trump / America.

It's a full on failed state, all this absurdist behavior is simply Canadians trying to fill the void left by surgically removing Britain from their narrative, with nothing to replace it with.

If you took away the safety net of America propping Canada's economy up, it would collapse into civil disorder, riots in the streets.

At which point, again, their patron of last resort is China and no other.  

[Dougie93]

It's like Zeitgeists bogey of the Reb Menace taking Canada over.

America is not trying to take Canada over, what Americans who even notice Canada, are aware that Canada is a frozen socialist la-la-land and want to have nothing to do with running it.  Even if they like Canada, they do not want to be responsible for trying to make it work.

It is simply the case that entropy is the nature of the universe and Canada's phony made up "culture" and "history", issued from Ottawa in the 1960s, has for the most part failed to launch, because it's all bullshit, and the resulting void is simply being filled by America by default.

Edited February 17, 2020 by Dougie93

[bush_cheney2004]

The Liberals are satisfied just to say that things would not be any different with Conservatives in power, so just sit back and enjoy the dysfunction.

The false choice of America vs. China logically means that they have already given up on Canada.

It's crap like this that makes history, like bread riots in Petrograd !

Edited February 17, 2020 by bush_cheney2004

[Dougie93]

10 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

The Liberals are satisfied just to say that things would not be any different with Conservatives in power, so just sit back and enjoy the dysfunction.

The false choice of America vs. China logically means that they have already given up on Canada.

It's crap like this that makes history, like bread riots in Petrograd !

Indeed, the idea that Canada would do something other than extract resources for a foreign hegemonic power as their sycophantic crony, is not even discussed.

[Dougie93]

What's so strikingly evident to me, having worked for DND as it degenerated into collapse,  is that the cancer that killed the Canadian military has now spread to the entire government.

It used to be that only DND was totally paralyzed and riven with dysfunction while the other government departments were at least semi-functional.

Now every department is malignant with the same pathological parochial regionalism which destroyed the military.

The dynamic which destroyed the military is that the department became nothing more than porkbarreling, porkbarreling for its own sake.

All countries do defense pork,  but only Canada does it without actually generating any real military power at all.

The pork barreling became so all consuming, pork barreling that produces nothing in the end, that it ended up consuming the military itself, so many stupid useless boondoggles, that there was literally nothing left over for the actual military.

That is now the entire Government of Canada.  

They can't even handle the basics anymore, because they only know how to pork barrel,  that's the sole purpose they serve, every Canadian has a sob story, and you use those as rubrics to funnel money to your cronies,

As with the military, the other core competencies have simply been jettisoned, and once those go, you can't just buy them off the rack.

Canada has become utterly vacuous, there's no there there, Trudeau is perfect as PM, because he does indeed represent what Canada is all about.

Edited February 17, 2020 by Dougie93