200 Muslim students exempted from sex education in Québec

[Argus]

4 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Yeah and turns out public schools aren't good at educating kids in general, not just about sex. Who knew?

Parents are uncomfortable talking to their kids about blowjobs and anal sex. Who knew?

[Yzermandius19]

8 hours ago, Argus said:

Parents are uncomfortable talking to their kids about blowjobs and anal sex. Who knew?

Being uncomfortable does not abrogate their responsibility to do so. Being a parent is not about being comfortable talking to your kids, if that how people are parenting their kids, they are doing it wrong.

Edited November 7, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Yzermandius19]

8 hours ago, Argus said:

However, if you compare jurisdictions with sex-ed to those without, the ones without all have higher STDs, higher teen pregnancies, higher abortion rates, etc.

Cite?

[Guest PPC2019]

On 11/4/2019 at 8:57 AM, QuebecOverCanada said:

In Gatineau, Québec, many Muslim parents tried to find a breach in the system so their children remains into the grips of their religious zeal, and made complaints claiming that their children would be traumatized and damaged by Sexual Education classes and claimed religious freedom over their children education and future well being.

Being in Canada, the Muslim parents won and about 200 Muslim Children in Gatineau will be exempt of any sexual education.

Those who need these classes the most are the ones who won't receive them. It's very bad for these children and very bad for their parents too, as they are seen as what they are; zealots.

Good for the Muslim parents. They don't want their kids exposed to the Transgender garbage.

Sometimes I want to become allies with the Muslims.

[Bear Claw]

On 11/4/2019 at 8:57 AM, QuebecOverCanada said:

In Gatineau, Québec, many Muslim parents tried to find a breach in the system so their children remains into the grips of their religious zeal, and made complaints claiming that their children would be traumatized and damaged by Sexual Education classes and claimed religious freedom over their children education and future well being.

Being in Canada, the Muslim parents won and about 200 Muslim Children in Gatineau will be exempt of any sexual education.

Those who need these classes the most are the ones who won't receive them. It's very bad for these children and very bad for their parents too, as they are seen as what they are; zealots.

Only in Quebec..

[Michael Hardner]

Is there a link somewhere?  I can't find anything on this.

 

Could it be fake?

[Michael Hardner]

Yes, when I googled it only this thread came up.  So more disinformation from people trying to foment hatred then?

[Moonlight Graham]

Sex ed has always been controversial

Parents will never agree on what should be taught to children at what age

Edited December 6, 2019 by Moonlight Graham

[scribblet]

It's not fake, there are religious exemptions in Ontario too, can't  post link on a tablet. 

[Michael Hardner]

Still no links ok.

[Rue]

On ‎11‎/‎4‎/‎2019 at 8:57 AM, QuebecOverCanada said:

In Gatineau, Québec, many Muslim parents tried to find a breach in the system so their children remains into the grips of their religious zeal, and made complaints claiming that their children would be traumatized and damaged by Sexual Education classes and claimed religious freedom over their children education and future well being.

Being in Canada, the Muslim parents won and about 200 Muslim Children in Gatineau will be exempt of any sexual education.

Those who need these classes the most are the ones who won't receive them. It's very bad for these children and very bad for their parents too, as they are seen as what they are; zealots.

I edited this response it was not on point enough.  I argue Multi-culturalism in Canada has sent a signal to all Canadians they can be all things at all times. They can not and a class with sexual values is a classic illustration.   Trudeau adds to this with his constant mixed messages such as sucking up to Muslim extremists to get their vote knowing they are fundamentally opposed to his gay and feminist ideology yet after sucking up to Muslim extremists sucking up to gays and feminists. The gay and feminist communities have  fawned over Trudeau  and not called him out while Trudeau fawns over bringing people  to Canadawhose values are anti gay and anti women and anti many other things fundamental democracy believes in and something has to give.

Certain cultural values in Canada may are NOT compatible with ones brought here by certain Muslims and others an views as to sexuality is a classic example. Children can  and should be taught sex education. Learning about the body and its functions can be done early and children deal with it far more rationally than adults riddled with phobias and entrenched bigoted views.. Children need sex education as part of health education to prevent ignorance, illness and be able to unfortunately in this world, protect themselves and know what is private. 

You have a problem about sex behavior and identity choices understand that is not synonomous  with sexual education. Sexual education is about teaching children health, hygiene and how bodies of homo sapiens and other animals work. Issues as to sexology and psychology are not the same as what we are talking about. The curriculum mixed them up because the person who wrote them for the Ontario school system was a pedophile and felt projecting sexual values on children was acceptable. Sex education is not about gender identity choices or sexual behavior-its about anatomy. Issues about sexual or gender preference, identity, feelings are for another subject called human relations which contains sociology, psychology, sexology, some basic genetics , neurology and biology. Sex education is about specific body parts and what they do and why we have them and is a sub-issue under health issues as to hygiene and health and wellness issues.

If people are ignorant and want to panic because they can't deal with anatomy and basic health concepts then not in the public system. Take their ignorance to a private school. They should not expect public schools to cater to their beliefs.

I get keeping human relations until  children are reaching puberty but that is a different subject and for that matter when its time to explain gender identity choices it can be done in an apolitical, non-denominational way.

Edited December 6, 2019 by Rue

[dialamah]

10 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Still no links ok.

I found this when I googled "students exempted from sex ed Quebec".  Various iterations of  "Muslim students exempt from sex ed Quebec" got no hits at all.

Quote

 

Every Quebec elementary and high school student will receive mandatory sex education, integrated into their current classes, as of next September, Education Minister Sébastien Proulx announced Thursday morning. 

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About a million students will have access to age-appropriate information on sexuality, anatomy, body image, social roles, sexual assault, sexual relations, stereotypes and sexually transmitted diseases, among other topics. 

Clearly fake news and look how many people were happy to fall for it.  

Edited December 6, 2019 by dialamah

[scribblet]

Clearly not as there is a duty to accommodate by law and in Ontario students can opt out of sex ed classes  (also music and art) although they will try to negotiate.   Quebec did allow an exemption but apparently they are taking that back and making it mandatory, probably you need to search French language papers to the whole story there.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/local-news/almost-all-sides-declare-ontarios-new-sex-ed-curriculum-a-victory

https://globalnews.ca/news/5792939/effects-of-no-sex-education/

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-new-sex-ed-curriculum-1.5254327

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-parents-will-be-allowed-to-remove-children-from-sex-ed-classes-under/

https://globalnews.ca/news/4198673/quebec-releases-criteria-for-requesting-exemption-under-face-covering-law/

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/education/toronto-schools-to-allow-religion-based-class-exemptions/article31731974/

https://www.thestar.com/yourtoronto/education/2016/05/13/toronto-school-offers-sanitized-sex-ed-amid-parent-concern.html

http://www.peelschools.org/aboutus/Documents/FINALReligiousAccommodationCOMS8.pdf

http://thelinkcanada.ca/ontario-sex-ed/

Edited December 6, 2019 by scribblet

[Michael Hardner]

Ok, so seems like we are saying that the story wasn't real.

[scribblet]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

Ok, so seems like we are saying that the story wasn't real.

No, it does not seem that way as Quebec only made it mandatory in 2017, prior to that there were exemptions.   As I said, someone needs to google the French papers. 

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/quebec-becomes-latest-province-to-make-sex-education-compulsory/article37335042/

[QuebecOverCanada]

3 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ok, so seems like we are saying that the story wasn't real.

Éducation à la sexualité: plus de 200 élèves exemptés

Quelque 80% des étudiants libérés d’éducation à la sexualité viennent de la même commission scolaire

https://www.journaldemontreal.com/2019/11/04/education-a-la-sexualite-plus-de-200eleves-exemptes

[QuebecOverCanada]

Un record provincial d’exemptions au cours d’éducation à la sexualité à la CSPO

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/1375936/retraits-cours-sexualite-enfants-ecole-cspo-outaouais-ministre-education

[Goddess]

6 hours ago, dialamah said:

Clearly fake news and look how many people were happy to fall for it. 

I dont' know how you and MH couldn't find anything. 

I  found the articles in French - in an easy, no-brainer search, but felt QOC could supply the links for his own thread and wanted to see how far you and MH would go in screeching "Fake News!!!!".

Edited December 6, 2019 by Goddess

[taxme]

On 11/4/2019 at 5:57 AM, QuebecOverCanada said:

In Gatineau, Québec, many Muslim parents tried to find a breach in the system so their children remains into the grips of their religious zeal, and made complaints claiming that their children would be traumatized and damaged by Sexual Education classes and claimed religious freedom over their children education and future well being.

Being in Canada, the Muslim parents won and about 200 Muslim Children in Gatineau will be exempt of any sexual education.

Those who need these classes the most are the ones who won't receive them. It's very bad for these children and very bad for their parents too, as they are seen as what they are; zealots.

Well, at least those Muslim children won't have to worry about their children being brainwashed into being told just how great it is to be gay or trans, and be indoctrinated into those perversions, or have grown up men dressed up like females invited to schools to talk to a bunch of seven to ten year olds, and be forced to listen to those silly looking creeps. Are non-Muslim children allowed to be dismissed from having their children being fed sexual perversion nonsense from those weird people?

I have to say though that I am with the Muslims on this one even though I have no love for their archaic tenth century religion. Do non-Muslim parents really want to have their children learn all about the lifestyles of the gay and trans or the girlie men's lifestyle? i am pretty sure that if they are allowed the opportunity to not have their children listen to those people, I am pretty sure that they would say, not for my kids. Those parents will be showing that they are not all about wanting to promote the sexual perversion lifestyle on and maybe later be promoted by their children. Works for me. 

[taxme]

On 11/6/2019 at 9:08 PM, Yzermandius19 said:

Being uncomfortable does not abrogate their responsibility to do so. Being a parent is not about being comfortable talking to your kids, if that how people are parenting their kids, they are doing it wrong.

Wth? Parents talking to their kids about blowjobs and anal sex is okay with you? I pity your kids, if you have any? And if you do, are you willing to sit down one day with them and talk to them about blowjobs and anal sex or have you done that already? Just asking? 

[taxme]

On 12/5/2019 at 11:31 AM, Bear Claw said:

Only in Quebec..

It would appear as though everything that is wrong with Canada today, started in french Quebec. French Quebec has always been the rest of Canada's thorn in the side problem. "Only in Quebec" is right. and they always will run Canada and feed us garbage until the rest of Canada cans separate from french Quebec. 

[Teena]

9 minutes ago, taxme said:

Well, at least those Muslim children won't have to worry about their children being brainwashed into being told just how great it is to be gay or trans, and be indoctrinated into those perversions, or have grown up men dressed up like females invited to schools to talk to a bunch of seven to ten year olds, and be forced to listen to those silly looking creeps. Are non-Muslim children allowed to be dismissed from having their children being fed sexual perversion nonsense from those weird people? I don't see how Muslim children will have it any better in their brain washing religion. While I agree that sex education is going too far, being Muslim with all the restrictions on females is not much better Look at all the corruption in these Muslim dominated countries. They don't have anything right. I think Doug Ford is correct in keeping the 1998 sex education program

 

 

[Guest ProudConservative]

12 minutes ago, taxme said:

It would appear as though everything that is wrong with Canada today, started in french Quebec. French Quebec has always been the rest of Canada's thorn in the side problem. "Only in Quebec" is right. and they always will run Canada and feed us garbage until the rest of Canada cans separate from french Quebec. 

Did they force you to take 9 years of French in public school? They waste 20% of a students time learning a language they should never have to use, just to appease the French people, who hate our guts anyways. I consider making 7 year olds learn French, child abuse.

Edited December 6, 2019 by ProudConservative

[taxme]

2 minutes ago, Teena said:

 

As I already said, I have no love for the Islamic religion. An archaic religion full of cruelty and full of inhuman sickos called Imams. I despise Islam like I despise liberalism today. 

I do not think that teaching young children in schools about the gay and trans and men dressed up like women lifestyles is something young children need to learn about at their age. Keep sex and religion out of schools. No exceptions. Parents have the responsibility to teach their children all about sex, not what some lesbian like Wynne wants to do to young impressionable children.

Dam, the more religions we seem to be bringing into Canada, things seem to get worse. And trying hard to turn Canada into another Sodom and Gomorrah country is starting to cause more problems for this country. The liberals/socialists/communists programs and agendas are starting to destroy this once great Christian nation with sexual perversions of all kinds. Next has to be incest and pedophilia and then beastiality. Mark my words that those mentioned are next on the agenda for Canada. 

[Goddess]

14 minutes ago, ProudConservative said:

Did they force you to take 9 years of French in public school? They waste 20% of a students time learning a language they should never have to use, just to appease the French people, who hate our guts anyways. I consider making 7 year olds learn French, child abuse.

My children both went to French Immersion, despite us not living in a "French" province.  My son has used his French fairly extensively and my daughter works for a government agency that pays her extra $$/hr because she speaks French - which she uses every day.  Both have also learned enough Spanish to converse because the languages are so similar.

Neither of them has expressed any regrets or feel abused for having to learn another language.  It's only been a benefit to them as they grew up and began working.