Trudeau test drives his smear campaign

[jacee]

3 minutes ago, scribblet said:

Let me clarify something for you ----  NO THEY ARE NOT

Don't be silly. Of course they are! 

Every vote is important. 

[scribblet]

36 minutes ago, jacee said:

Don't be silly. Of course they are! 

Every vote is important. 

Don't be silly, this is a lie and you should  be ashamed of buying into liberal smears.

[jacee]

20 minutes ago, scribblet said:

Don't be silly, this is a lie and you should  be ashamed of buying into liberal smears.

It's what I've observed, long before Trudeau started his "smears".

True though it is,  I don't think it's a winning strategy for him. 

 

[eyeball]

5 hours ago, PIK said:

Because give trudeau one more term and our country is gone forever.

Hi PIK. Are you prepared to take up arms and our country back by force if Trudeau is elected?

[Guest]

43 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Hi PIK. Are you prepared to take up arms and our country back by force if Trudeau is elected?

I am!

Of course, that might just be the beer talking.

[eyeball]

3 hours ago, bcsapper said:

I am!

Of course, that might just be the beer talking.

It's always something.

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

It's always something.

Yeah, my aim would be off, anyway...

[scribblet]

  A response to the left's incessant, baseless attempts to smear conservatives as Nazis. It is *your* movement that has a long record of apologising for despotism and murder: https://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2019/04/peter-hitchens-it-starts-with-screeching-lefties-calling-us-nazis-it-ends-in-a-police-state.html …

[Argus]

So you want to see how much effort the Trudeau party are putting into this? It looks like they're doing their best to pressure Canada's allies to always include anti-white supremacy language and anti-Islamophibia language in statements. All to raise the profile of 'white supremacists' as they move to smear the Conservative party in the upcoming election.

When the ministers met in France in early April, some of her counterparts pushed back against Freeland's assertion that white supremacy now poses broader threats, the official said.

On Islamophobia and the threat of white nationalism, Canada "tends to be the country that speaks the most about these issues and pushes the hardest to get the language included in communiques."

Meanwhile, guess who is the religious group most at threat around the world? If you guessed Christians, you're clearly not a Liberal.

https://ipolitics.ca/2019/04/23/persecuted-christians-in-asia-africa-and-middle-east-need-help-and-solidarity/

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-international-allies-butt-heads-over-focus-on-white-supremacism-1.4391566

[bush_cheney2004]

Chrystia Freeland just got a reality check from Sri Lanka...

 

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Freeland wanted the G7 to issue a joint statement after the mosque shootings that killed 50 people in Christchurch, New Zealand, but “it didn’t end up going out because we couldn’t get agreement from all other countries about white supremacy and Islamophobia,” said one Canadian official who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the deliberations.

Prior to that meeting, Freeland spoke at the United Nations General Assembly, where she singled out white supremacy as the greatest security threat facing the world – remarks that later sparked a clash with a Conservative senator during testimony before the upper chamber’s foreign affairs committee.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-canada-international-allies-butting-heads-over-ottawas-focus-on/

 

Edited April 24, 2019 by bush_cheney2004

[DogOnPorch]

5 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Chrystia Freeland just got a reality check from Sri Lanka...

 

 

 

It is either White Supremacists or Russians with Freeland...must have flipped a coin. 

[jacee]

12 hours ago, Argus said:

So you want to see how much effort the Trudeau party are putting into this? It looks like they're doing their best to pressure Canada's allies to always include anti-white supremacy language and anti-Islamophibia language in statements. All to raise the profile of 'white supremacists' as they move to smear the Conservative party in the upcoming election.

When the ministers met in France in early April, some of her counterparts pushed back against Freeland's assertion that white supremacy now poses broader threats, the official said.

On Islamophobia and the threat of white nationalism, Canada "tends to be the country that speaks the most about these issues and pushes the hardest to get the language included in communiques."

Meanwhile, guess who is the religious group most at threat around the world? If you guessed Christians, you're clearly not a Liberal.

https://ipolitics.ca/2019/04/23/persecuted-christians-in-asia-africa-and-middle-east-need-help-and-solidarity/

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/canada-international-allies-butt-heads-over-focus-on-white-supremacism-1.4391566

You all know that I take an anti-racism stance.

However, fighting an election over that issue is to me just an indication of how divisive and ineffective both the Conservative and Liberal Parties have become at actual governance. 

<shaking my head at the Lib-Con games and nonsense>

[Argus]

So we all know that white supremacists are the most dangerous terrorists in the world, but there are other kinds out there. You're gonna find a hard time reading about it in government reports, though.

First, the Liberals removed all reference to Sikh terrorism and extremism, now they've removed references to Shiite and Sunni terrorism and extremism.

Everyone plays identity politics to some extent, but the Liberals just have so many fewer ethics and so much less integrity that they'll do it even with national security reports.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5230488/government-removes-sunni-shia-from-terrorism-threat-report/

[Guest]

2 hours ago, Argus said:

So we all know that white supremacists are the most dangerous terrorists in the world, but there are other kinds out there. You're gonna find a hard time reading about it in government reports, though.

First, the Liberals removed all reference to Sikh terrorism and extremism, now they've removed references to Shiite and Sunni terrorism and extremism.

Everyone plays identity politics to some extent, but the Liberals just have so many fewer ethics and so much less integrity that they'll do it even with national security reports.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5230488/government-removes-sunni-shia-from-terrorism-threat-report/

Well, at least they won't be able to say "white supremacists" anymore either.  They wouldn't want to impugn an entire colour that is not responsible for the terrorist behavior.

Would they?

[dialamah]

40 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Well, at least they won't be able to say "white supremacists" anymore either.  They wouldn't want to impugn an entire colour that is not responsible for the terrorist behavior.

Would they?

Yeah that is stramge.  Although violent extremists are remarkably similar in their thought processes, behavior, gender and age, it is important to know the exact group any particular extremist belongs to.  Else it will be remarkably difficult to know which attacks and massacres we should play up and which we should minimize.  And how will we know when the media/politicians is focussing too much on our group's extremists and not enough the other group's?  Making sure we know and can name the identity group individuals are associated with is a key element in playing identity politics, I suspect.

Edited May 3, 2019 by dialamah

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Yeah that is stramge.  Although violent extremists are remarkably similar in their thought processes, behavior, gender and age, it is important to know the exact group any particular extremist belongs to.  Else it will be remarkably difficult to know which attacks and massacres we should play up and which we should minimize.  And how will we know when the media/politicians is focussing too much on our group's extremists and not enough the other group's?  Making sure we know and can name the identity group individuals are associated with is a key element in playing identity politics, I suspect.

I never thought of that.  Perhaps it was just becoming too much effort for them.  If you can pretend it doesn't exist at all, you don't have to worry about not mentioning it.

[Argus]

11 hours ago, dialamah said:

Yeah that is stramge.  Although violent extremists are remarkably similar in their thought processes, behavior, gender and age, it is important to know the exact group any particular extremist belongs to.  Else it will be remarkably difficult to know which attacks and massacres we should play up and which we should minimize.  

Kind of like you play up the ones against Muslims and minimize the ones BY Muslims.

[Goddess]

14 hours ago, Argus said:

So we all know that white supremacists are the most dangerous terrorists in the world, but there are other kinds out there. You're gonna find a hard time reading about it in government reports, though.

First, the Liberals removed all reference to Sikh terrorism and extremism, now they've removed references to Shiite and Sunni terrorism and extremism.

Everyone plays identity politics to some extent, but the Liberals just have so many fewer ethics and so much less integrity that they'll do it even with national security reports.

https://globalnews.ca/news/5230488/government-removes-sunni-shia-from-terrorism-threat-report/

It's like he's trying to re-write history - but AS it's happening instead of years later like people usually do.

[dialamah]

36 minutes ago, Argus said:

Kind of like you play up the ones against Muslims and minimize the ones BY Muslims.

As you play up the ones by Muslims and minimize the ones against Muslims by White, Western types.  

Identity politics:  not just for Liberals anymore.

[Argus]

16 minutes ago, dialamah said:

As you play up the ones by Muslims and minimize the ones against Muslims by White, Western types.  

I don't NEED to minimize the ones by 'white western types'. They're already pretty damned minimal compared to Islamic fanatics. 

[dialamah]

12 minutes ago, Argus said:

I don't NEED to minimize the ones by 'white western types'. They're already pretty damned minimal compared to Islamic fanatics. 

In Canada white western types outperform Islamic fanatics.  Around the world, non-Islamic terrorism is increasing while Islamic terrorism is decreasing.

I admit I am more bothered when terrorism is carried out by individuals from "my tribe" because I used to think we were better than that.  But people like DoP, Taxme, Alexandre Bissonette and others have persuaded me that we (White Westerners) have not learned from our past and are no less judgemental, hateful and prone to killing innocents than those from those other tribes. 

Edited May 3, 2019 by dialamah

[Argus]

5 minutes ago, dialamah said:

In Canada white western types outperform Islamic fanatics.  Around the world, non-Islamic terrorism is increasing while Islamic terrorism is decreasing.

Uh huh. Cites? 

You progressive have been feasting off that Bissonnette clown since it happened, but he doesn't make white western types more dangerous than Islamic terrorists.

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I admit I am more bothered when terrorism is carried out by individuals from "my tribe" because I used to think we were better than that.  But people like DoP, Taxme, Alexandre Bissonette and others have persuaded me that we (White Westerners) have not learned from our past and are no less judgemental, hateful and prone to killing innocents than those from those other tribes. 

Human beings are tribal. So say social psychologists. They get antsy as people who are clearly 'not tribe' enter their territory. And the larger that group the more antsy they get. The impetus for growing anti-immigration sentiment is the growing population of immigrants and the fear they are reaching a point where there are, in the cities they settle, too few Canadians for them to assimilate into. Plus the fact there is a lot of doubt Muslims, with their rigid medieval social values reinforced by their rigid, medieval religion, will ever truly assimilate. 

As the progressive insist on not only continuing mass immigration but increasing it, anger from Canadians will continue to grow.

Edited May 3, 2019 by Argus

[WestCanMan]

56 minutes ago, dialamah said:

As you play up the ones by Muslims and minimize the ones against Muslims by White, Western types.  

Identity politics:  not just for Liberals anymore.

There are between 150-200 terrorist attacks per month globally. You can downplay the 170 islamic terrorist attacks and I'll downplay the other 5 or so that are committed by the entire rest of the world ok?

Here I go:

5 terrorist attacks per month are bad, but it's only 1/34th as bad as 170.

Your turn.

 

Understanding liberal identity politics: some stupidity required. And by some, we mean a lot.

[Goddess]

53 minutes ago, dialamah said:

But people like DoP, Taxme, Alexandre Bissonette and others have persuaded me that we (White Westerners) have not learned from our past

You really just lumped the Dog in with a convicted murderer who killed 6 people and injured 19.

Wow.

[dialamah]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

You really just lumped the Dog in with a convicted murderer who killed 6 people and injured 19.

Wow.

Well I see these things on a continuum:

1.  I don't like Islam/Muslims because they are (backward, misogynistic, violent, ignorant, opportunistic, lazy, unemployable) and should not be part of Western countries unless they can prove they are none of the above.

2.  Islam/Muslims are a threat to Westerners and Western culture and only idiots think they aren't.  I have to tell everybody about the threat they pose.

3.  I have to do something about Islam/Muslims because they are a threat to Westerners and our leaders don't care and even people who recognize their threat are too scared to do anything.

4.  Takes action, whether its yelling at a woman in niqab, tearing off her hijab or shooting people at prayer.

The actors at each stage may be different, but they all validate each other in this process.

I get that you think people like  DoP are irrelevant in the process that leads people like Bissonnette to action.  Don't really care, I'm gonna call it how I see it.  You can get butthurt and defensive on DoP's behalf all you want.

Edited May 3, 2019 by dialamah