Time to take on far-right terrorists

[Realitycheck]

Just now, WestCanMan said:

The only thing coming between us on this issue is your lack of reading comprehension. Sorry, I typed as slowly as I could.

That is probably your top speed in any event. Do your lips move as well? 

[Charles Anthony]

Folks,

Avoid personal attacks.  If you have nothing to add to the discussion, then do not post. 

[Army Guy]

11 hours ago, marcus said:

Without immigration, we do not have enough people who would take over the jobs of the retiring, who are growing in numbers. For the first time, a year ago, we have more retired people than children. This is alarming. There are labour shortages, particularly in health, sciences, skilled trades, transport, and equipment.

Contrary to what people like Argus think, immigrants contribute to the economy. In 2017, for example, the labour force participation rates of immigrants aged 25 to 54 who landed more than 10 years earlier are comparable to those of the Canadian-born (86.9% vs. 88.4%), shows official report data. The economic performance of all immigrants increases with time spent in Canada. Average employment earnings reach the Canadian average at about 12 years after landing. 

Immigrants are the answer to this. Not only are they able to work, but they also become part of the consumer market and pay taxes. They also bring innovation and new ideas to the country. Look at Japan and the problems it is facing, due to its aging population and its conservative immigration laws. 

Here is more:

Why is it that Immigration seems to be the end all be all answer to all our troubles.....I say bullshit ...It is not the only solution, there are many out there, I think massive immigration is the wrong chioce...for several reasons, Todays immigration are not all about bringing in healthy able bodied people, able to work in the jobs Canadians think they are above, Lets add to the equation that most of these immigrant's have families, older parents, older uncles and aunt's, they want to come over as well....That most do not have the skills or equivalent training standards that are required for immediate job placement, or to be able to produce a plus to our economy at the start, resources are needed to provide education, and language training, etc etc...

Some on here say that more immigrant that come drags our economy forward , to a point , by forcing more housing, food, resources etc...some say more income tax, but I think it has already been proven by Justin and company that the average Canadian does not pay a whole lot in income taxes....so there is a net plus....which would be there if it was filled by Canadians or immigrants. But there is also a net minus such as  they also add to higher costs of homes, rents, more infra structure, more Medical usage, etc, 

Immigration in this country cost Canadian tax payers 26 to 30 bil a year, that figure is based on 250 k people, not 350 k....so this expenditure is only going to grow every year....and according to your own research it takes the average immigrant 12 years to produce the same amount as the average Canadian....WOW...takes a lot of time to grow an immigrant that produces a net plus to the country.... 

Instead of addressing all your issues with immigrants, why not address the problems that are the cause....Labor shortages could be slowed in not totally fixed by giving incentives to the next generation about to enter the work force...Such as discounts on education or by providing free education at the cost of perhaps working the same amount of years as you education took in areas of the country where these shortages are...ie medical trades could be sent any  where in the country where there is a need....you could do this with any job that is struggling to provide enough trained people ….some nations already do this...

You could also create policy for people that are on long term welfare or unemployment, that they take retraining or move to the new job, perhaps some kind of assistance for all that.

What about providing a incentive for Canadians to have more children....I mean we currently pay out 30 plus billion dollars each year for immigration , that amount of funding could fund a several programs, and I'm just guess here , a much larger family allowance, free child care, massive tax cuts, it only takes some imagination to create an incentive that will get Canadians to have one or more children.....we could ban condoms for 12 years....

 

 

 

 

[egghead]

6 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

As for immigrants, I think we should at minimum be on the same page re: women, children and homosexuals. But, that's obviously not a factor seeing the massive influx of Islam into my society.

Blame it on JT wanted to outdo Merkel. I understand that the christian refugees are high priority. Somehow, Islams get the immigration document.

[DogOnPorch]

3 minutes ago, egghead said:

Blame it on JT wanted to outdo Merkel. I understand that the christian refugees are high priority. Somehow, Islams get the immigration document.

 

Islam portrays itself as a victim even when it's the aggressor. Keep that in mind.

For example: big Islamic terror attack? Muslim community worries about a backlash are the headlines.

Edited March 29, 2019 by DogOnPorch

[taxme]

15 hours ago, marcus said:

I wouldn't agree with Canada doing a ban like this, but Facebook is allowed to make its own rules:

Facebook Bans White Nationalism and White Separatism

After a civil rights backlash, Facebook will now treat white nationalism and separatism the same as white supremacy, and will direct users who try to post that content to a nonprofit that helps people leave hate groups.

This is what happens when social media has been taken over by globalist zionist communist elites. They censor white nationalists because they are afraid of what they have to say and what they have to offer to anyone who is willing to read and listen to them and get the other side of the conservative white nationalist story. Facebook communist censors and others like them are the enemy of we the people. It is not white nationalists that need help, it is the social media communist censors like Facebook that need the help big time. 

[taxme]

2 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Why is it that Immigration seems to be the end all be all answer to all our troubles.....I say bullshit ...It is not the only solution, there are many out there, I think massive immigration is the wrong chioce...for several reasons, Todays immigration are not all about bringing in healthy able bodied people, able to work in the jobs Canadians think they are above, Lets add to the equation that most of these immigrant's have families, older parents, older uncles and aunt's, they want to come over as well....That most do not have the skills or equivalent training standards that are required for immediate job placement, or to be able to produce a plus to our economy at the start, resources are needed to provide education, and language training, etc etc...

Some on here say that more immigrant that come drags our economy forward , to a point , by forcing more housing, food, resources etc...some say more income tax, but I think it has already been proven by Justin and company that the average Canadian does not pay a whole lot in income taxes....so there is a net plus....which would be there if it was filled by Canadians or immigrants. But there is also a net minus such as  they also add to higher costs of homes, rents, more infra structure, more Medical usage, etc, 

Immigration in this country cost Canadian tax payers 26 to 30 bil a year, that figure is based on 250 k people, not 350 k....so this expenditure is only going to grow every year....and according to your own research it takes the average immigrant 12 years to produce the same amount as the average Canadian....WOW...takes a lot of time to grow an immigrant that produces a net plus to the country.... 

Instead of addressing all your issues with immigrants, why not address the problems that are the cause....Labor shortages could be slowed in not totally fixed by giving incentives to the next generation about to enter the work force...Such as discounts on education or by providing free education at the cost of perhaps working the same amount of years as you education took in areas of the country where these shortages are...ie medical trades could be sent any  where in the country where there is a need....you could do this with any job that is struggling to provide enough trained people ….some nations already do this...

You could also create policy for people that are on long term welfare or unemployment, that they take retraining or move to the new job, perhaps some kind of assistance for all that.

What about providing a incentive for Canadians to have more children....I mean we currently pay out 30 plus billion dollars each year for immigration , that amount of funding could fund a several programs, and I'm just guess here , a much larger family allowance, free child care, massive tax cuts, it only takes some imagination to create an incentive that will get Canadians to have one or more children.....we could ban condoms for 12 years....

 

 

 

 

Exactly. Why not create more incentives for Canadians to want to have more children. I am pretty dam sure that if we paid couples to have more children by giving them tax breaks The hundreds of billions of tax dollars blown every year on bringing in more new immigrants, plus all the legal and illegal ones, that money could be better spent on helping Canadian families to have more children. Hungary is paying the families that have more than four children get to pay no income taxes at all plus other benefits. I would think that the majority of married women would love to stay home and raise their kids if there were some money involved for them to be able to do so. Immigration is a farce. Canada should only be taking in 1/10th of new immigrants to what it is bringing in now. 

I can go to any number of malls in the lower mainland of Vancouver where I will see plenty of old Sikh and Asian men sitting in the mall and no doubt were all part of a family reunion program and no doubt they will all be getting some kind of assistance or a pension of some kind even though they never paid one Canadian nickel in taxes to Canada. It is the host Canadians who are the ones that are getting the shaft here with all of this massive immigration going on. A moratorium on immigration would work well for me. 

[scribblet]

On 3/28/2019 at 10:36 AM, jacee said:

.......That's a white nationalist rant for freedom to organize to incite hatred against people of colour, Muslims being the favourite target these days. 

"white supremacy' no doubt exists but not to the extent that you and liberals seem to think it does.   definition of a racist = anyone disagreeing with a liberal 

It's the rallying cry these days for the Trudeau Liberals, they see a racist under every bed.   Islamopobia is a made up word to silence debate. 

Edited March 29, 2019 by scribblet

[taxme]

15 hours ago, marcus said:

Without immigration, we do not have enough people who would take over the jobs of the retiring, who are growing in numbers. For the first time, a year ago, we have more retired people than children. This is alarming. There are labour shortages, particularly in health, sciences, skilled trades, transport, and equipment.

Contrary to what people like Argus think, immigrants contribute to the economy. In 2017, for example, the labour force participation rates of immigrants aged 25 to 54 who landed more than 10 years earlier are comparable to those of the Canadian-born (86.9% vs. 88.4%), shows official report data. The economic performance of all immigrants increases with time spent in Canada. Average employment earnings reach the Canadian average at about 12 years after landing. 

Immigrants are the answer to this. Not only are they able to work, but they also become part of the consumer market and pay taxes. They also bring innovation and new ideas to the country. Look at Japan and the problems it is facing, due to its aging population and its conservative immigration laws. 

Here is more:

You will never be able to convince me that Canada needs approx. 400,000 new immigrants every year which also include legal and illegal so called refugees. Massive immigration that we see happening in Canada every year is a farce. If you want to flood Canada with a bunch of new immigrants then you better stop crying and whining about roads needing to be repaired, infrastructure repairs, traffic, environment, lineups to see a doctor and costing us all more tax dollars to help prop up our social and medicare systems. And I will bet that you have at least twice whined and cried about those mentioned above unless you are rich and do not have to deal with those problems every day like so many other Canadians have to deal with every day. It is multicultural groups and special interest groups that want to flood Canada with massive new immigrants. It all is just a leftist liberal made up farce that people like you eat up with gusto.  

[taxme]

7 hours ago, eyeball said:

1867 is looking better all the time isn't it?

Even before the 70's Canada was looking good and was in very good shape. That was until the Trudeau communist duo came along and decided to screw every thing the hell up.  

[taxme]

8 hours ago, egghead said:

Ya, exactly;  there are Britain's sharia councils, but we do not see the same for Chinese, Japanese, Sindhis, Hindu, punjabi   ..... in Britain.

And those Muslim councils have made it no secret that their aim is to turn Britain into an Islamic sharia law country. They have had many demonstrations where they have said that Britain will be all Muslim one day. Everyone should check out Tommy Robinson's website where he will tell you a lot about what Muslims are doing in and to London. It is not a pretty picture. 

[egghead]

16 hours ago, marcus said:

1) This is not a practice of all Muslim countries, so why paint all Muslims the same? Should Canada not allow Catholics into Canada because there is a big Catholic priest pedophile problem?

2) Canada would never change its laws in favour of something like that. Stop wasting your time with such silly thoughts.

1) Not all but some, and pedophile is not Christian life.

2) haha, don't bet on it 

Edited March 29, 2019 by egghead

[marcus]

9 hours ago, egghead said:

 

That is just modernized version of "the Principle of Population." Beside DogOnPorch's point, people will adapt for the changes as well. Jpn don't seem having any problems with their immigration policies. I am not aginst immigration, just not open arms policy

I am not for "Open Arms Policy" either. Canada's immigration policy is far from being open arms. We have some of the strictest immigration programs compared to other Western countries. Many of them want to model our policies. Even Trump has repeatedly said that he wants to model our policies.

Japan has problems with their population. They are getting older and people are not having enough children to keep the economy. They either have to open their doors more or their robot technology needs to step it up.

 

[marcus]

53 minutes ago, taxme said:

You will never be able to convince me that Canada needs approx. 400,000 new immigrants every year which also include legal and illegal so called refugees. Massive immigration that we see happening in Canada every year is a farce. If you want to flood Canada with a bunch of new immigrants then you better stop crying and whining about roads needing to be repaired, infrastructure repairs, traffic, environment, lineups to see a doctor and costing us all more tax dollars to help prop up our social and medicare systems. And I will bet that you have at least twice whined and cried about those mentioned above unless you are rich and do not have to deal with those problems every day like so many other Canadians have to deal with every day. It is multicultural groups and special interest groups that want to flood Canada with massive new immigrants. It all is just a leftist liberal made up farce that people like you eat up with gusto.  

I gave you substance and information. You gave me nothing. 

Immigrants pay taxes. Immigrants work. Our immigration firm recently brought in 5 foreign workers to work in Canada. They will more than likely become permanent residents in a year or two. They comprise of a computer system analyst from India, a business analyst from Germany, an architect and a civil engineer from Iran and a carpenter from Ireland. You have the wrong understanding of who immigrants are. 

I wish you'd challenge yourself to find out more.

[-TSS-]

Jared Taylor has been banned from entering the Schengen-area. I thought you cant close borders. That's what we've been told. What was Jared's crime? He holds views which are not desirable in Europe.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

Even before the 70's Canada was looking good and was in very good shape. That was until the Trudeau communist duo came along and decided to screw every thing the hell up.  

If Conservatives could only have been more like Pinochet when they had the chance. For sure the US would never have objected to any kind of coup against a commie back then.

Oh well, roll up your sleeves, buck up, soldier on....it's what Pinochet would do.

Edited March 30, 2019 by eyeball

[egghead]

1 hour ago, marcus said:

I am not for "Open Arms Policy" either. Canada's immigration policy is far from being open arms. We have some of the strictest immigration programs compared to other Western countries. Many of them want to model our policies. Even Trump has repeatedly said that he wants to model our policies.

That is worse than BS, or you are doing a very poor jobs 

 

1 hour ago, marcus said:

I gave you substance and information. You gave me nothing. 

Immigrants pay taxes. Immigrants work. Our immigration firm recently brought in 5 foreign workers to work in Canada. They will more than likely become permanent residents in a year or two. They comprise of a computer system analyst from India, a business analyst from Germany, an architect and a civil engineer from Iran and a carpenter from Ireland. You have the wrong understanding of who immigrants are. 

I wish you'd challenge yourself to find out more.

haha, I was wondering why you so pro-immigration. For that 5 foregin workers, there are over a thousand immigrants who can not speak english and do not value western value. BTW, it seems that you mix up immigration and foreign workers visa.

[marcus]

5 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Why is it that Immigration seems to be the end all be all answer to all our troubles

Nobody is saying it should be the answer to all of our troubles. It's a response to the low birth rate and the increasing number of retirees and to respond to the shortage of workers.

5 hours ago, Army Guy said:

.....I say bullshit ...It is not the only solution, there are many out there,

Where is your solution?

Let's look at just some of your misinformed thoughts, as I don't have time to go through every single one:

5 hours ago, Army Guy said:

I think massive immigration is the wrong chioce...for several reasons,

There is no "massive" immigration. 300,000 permanent residents a year is less than 1% of our population.

5 hours ago, Army Guy said:

Todays immigration are not all about bringing in healthy able bodied people, able to work in the jobs Canadians think they are above

It's a lot more than that. It's jobs that you cannot do and are not qualified for. Majority of immigrants (over 65%) come through the economic class and I am willing to bet that an overwhelming majority have higher education than you and would bring more to the economy than you. Both in the skills they have and the assets that they bring in.

5 hours ago, Army Guy said:

, Lets add to the equation that most of these immigrant's have families, older parents, older uncles and aunt's, they want to come over as well....

The only people you can sponsor are your spouse, your parents and your grandparents. This is very important and I hope you listen so that you don't keep repeating your misinformation:

When it comes to parents/grandparents sponsorship, you:

1) Must meet a minimum income requirement,
2) Must financially support them for 10 years. Ie; If they go on any social services, the person sponsoring them is on the hook
3) Need to be one of only 20,000 parents/grandparents lucky people who will be allowed to sponsor each year

5 hours ago, Army Guy said:

That most do not have the skills or equivalent training standards that are required for immediate job placement, or to be able to produce a plus to our economy at the start, resources are needed to provide education, and language training, etc etc...

Overall, it takes about 10 years for an immigrant to earn equivalent to a Canadian born in the same job. That's not too bad. Since we have an age-ist immigration system when it comes to the biggest immigration program, you have a lot of extra time to work in the industry and give to the economy. FYI: You get extra points for being between 20-29 - and without those extra points, you have very little chance of being selected from a competitive pool called Express Entry.

Canada has settlement programs for new immigrants, which are a good way to jumpstart a new life in Canada. But these programs are for a very short period of time. Going to school is not free for immigrants, which sounds like what you're insinuating.

I don't want to sound condescending, but your knowledge is lacking when it comes to immigration and immigrants. You are mixing half-truths and misinformation. Instead, you should challenge what you hear by educating yourself with facts. Instead of looking for information that could backup your assumptions and fears, you should be looking for the truth.

[marcus]

14 minutes ago, egghead said:

That is worse than BS, or you are doing a very poor jobs 

 

haha, I was wondering why you so pro-immigration. For that 5 foregin workers, there are over a thousand immigrants who can not speak english and do not value western value. BTW, it seems that you mix up immigration and foreign workers visa.

BS is when you repeat things without anything to back it up. I am not interested in debating someone without integrity, who dismisses facts and instead wants to spread their misinformation. 

[egghead]

39 minutes ago, marcus said:

BS is when you repeat things without anything to back it up. I am not interested in debating someone without integrity, who dismisses facts and instead wants to spread their misinformation. 

As I said, you mix up the immigration and foreign workers visa. Just go to Vancouver and Toronto and take a look, they are your proof. I immigrated to canada 40 years ago. I personally knew over few hundreds immigrants (or Canadians) cannot speak english and do not value Canada value. BTW, just you did a lousy job on getting people move in Canada, it does not mean Canada has a very strictest immigration programs. If so, we see no  terrorist in canada 

Edited March 30, 2019 by egghead

[egghead]

37 minutes ago, marcus said:

There is no "massive" immigration. 300,000 permanent residents a year is less than 1% of our population.

 

C'mon that is around 1.5 million permanent residents for 5 years. 

[egghead]

 

1 hour ago, marcus said:

The only people you can sponsor are your spouse, your parents and your grandparents. This is very important and I hope you listen so that you don't keep repeating your misinformation:

 

c'mon, do you know Canada gov has their own site. 

Orphaned brother, sister, nephew, niece or grandchild
You can sponsor an orphaned brother, sister, nephew, niece or grandchild only if they meet all of these conditions:

they’re related to you by blood or adoption
both their mother and father passed away
they’re under 18 years of age
they’re single (not married or in a common-law or conjugal relationship)
You can’t sponsor your brother, sister, nephew, niece or grandchild if:

one of their parents is still alive
no one knows where their parents are
their parents abandoned them
someone else other than their parents is taking care of them while one or both their parents are alive
their parent is in jail or otherwise detained
Other relative
You may sponsor one relative, related by blood or adoption, of any age, if you meet all of these conditions:

you (the person who wants to sponsor your relative) don't have a living relative you could sponsor instead, such as a:
spouse
common-law partner
conjugal partner
son or daughter
parent
grandparent
orphaned brother or sister
orphaned nephew or niece
orphaned grandchild
you (the potential sponsor) don’t have any relatives (aunt or uncle or any of the relatives listed above), who is a:
Canadian citizen
permanent resident
registered Indian under the Indian Act
If the relative you want to sponsor has a spouse, partner, or dependent children who will come with them to Canada, you must include them on the same sponsorship application.

Examples of who you can sponsor
See the examples below to better understand who you can sponsor.

Example 1: Eligible to sponsor an aunt
Veronica doesn’t have a spouse or a common-law partner. She has no children, and lives in Canada as a permanent resident. Her parents and grandparents have all passed away and she doesn’t have any relatives in Canada who are Canadian citizens, permanent residents or registered Indians. Veronica would like to sponsor her aunt Betty, who she is very close with. Her aunt Betty is married and has a daughter.

Veronica meets the requirements to sponsor her aunt because she doesn’t have:

a close living relative she could sponsor instead (such as a spouse, partner, child, orphaned sibling, parent or grandparent) and
any other relative such as an aunt who is a citizen, permanent resident or registered Indian of Canada.
On the application, Betty will be designated as the principle applicant and her husband will be designated as a dependant.

Betty’s daughter can be included on the application only if she qualifies as a dependent child. If her daughter is older than the age limit or she doesn’t meet all the requirements, she can’t be added to Betty’s application and will have to immigrate to Canada on her own.

Example 2: Eligible to sponsor a cousin
Sam is an only child. His parents and grandparents have passed away. He was raised in the United States by his only cousin.  He immigrated to Canada as a permanent resident. He’s single (doesn’t have a spouse or a common-law partner). Sam doesn’t have any relatives in Canada who are Canadian citizens, permanent residents or registered Indians. Sam wants to sponsor his American cousin. His cousin is single (doesn’t have a spouse or a common-law partner).

Sam meets the requirements to sponsor his cousin to come to Canada because he doesn’t have:

a close living relative he could sponsor instead (such as a spouse, partner, child, sibling, parent or grandparent) and
any other relative who is a citizen, permanent resident or registered Indian of Canada.
Example 3: Not eligible to sponsor an aunt by marriage
Aba is a Canadian citizen. The only family she had in Canada was her mother, who passed away. Aba has always been close to her mother’s only brother and his wife. Aba’s uncle recently passed away, and Aba would like to sponsor his wife (her aunt by marriage) to come to Canada. Aba does not meet the requirements to sponsor her aunt, because they’re not related by blood.

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/family-sponsorship.html

1 hour ago, marcus said:

1) Must meet a minimum income requirement,
2) Must financially support them for 10 years. Ie; If they go on any social services, the person sponsoring them is on the hook
3) Need to be one of only 20,000 parents/grandparents lucky people who will be allowed to sponsor each year

That are paper tigers

Edited March 30, 2019 by egghead

[marcus]

47 minutes ago, egghead said:

As I said, you mix up the immigration and foreign workers visa. Just go to Vancouver and Toronto and take a look, they are your proof. I immigrated to canada 40 years ago. I personally knew over few hundreds immigrants (or Canadians) cannot speak english and do not value Canada value. BTW, just you did a lousy job on getting people move in Canada, it does not mean Canada has a very strictest immigration programs. If so, we see no  terrorist in canada 

The programs from 3 years ago is different than the programs today, let alone 40 years ago. Don't be so daft. 

 

[egghead]

Just now, marcus said:

The programs from 3 years ago is different than the programs today, let alone 40 years ago. Don't be so daft. 

 

You make a very poor assumption that I do not follow the law closely. As I said, you mixed up the working visa and the immigration law 

[marcus]

31 minutes ago, egghead said:

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/immigrate-canada/family-sponsorship.html

Sure, there are very rare exception, but really, how often do you think these scenarios happen?

you (the person who wants to sponsor your relative) don't have a living relative you could sponsor instead, such as a:

or

You can sponsor an orphaned brother, sister, nephew, niece or grandchild only if they meet all of these conditions:

I can tell you that these categories are very rarely used, because such scenarios are extremely rare. People who are sponsored through these exceptions fall under 1% of family sponsorship program.

I know what I am talking about. If you want to learn more, I'm happy to teach you more.