Kerfuffle Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: It always comes down to money....Economics 101. Did the climate change alarmists skip that class ? Typical bible thumping republican.... lets error on the side of wrong. As long as it puts some money in my pocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 Just now, Kerfuffle said: Typical bible thumping republican.... lets error on the side of wrong. As long as it puts some money in my pocket. Put a lot of money in the climate change industry too....now go back to using those NASA/NOAA sources that are funded by "bible thumping republicans". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kerfuffle Posted January 4, 2019 Report Share Posted January 4, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Put a lot of money in the climate change industry too....now go back to using those NASA/NOAA sources that are funded by "bible thumping republicans". You cant suck and blow at the same time... Familiar? By 1929, such cautionary voices had been discredited, and the stock market had become a force unto itself, propelled by dreams -- and the reality -- of quick wealth. ``Playing the stock market has become a major American pastime,'' reported The Times in a magazine article published on March 24, 1929. The article noted that the number of brokerage accounts had doubled in the past two years, and added, ``It is quite true that the people who know the least about the stock market have made the most money out of it in the last few months. Fools who rushed in where wise men feared to tread ran up high gains.'' https://archive.nytimes.com/www.nytimes.com/learning/teachers/featured_articles/19991018monday.html Edited January 4, 2019 by Kerfuffle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 15 minutes ago, Kerfuffle said: You cant suck and blow at the same time... Familiar? Oh yes one can...that's where the action comes from. Thermodynamics teaches us the same thing....there is no stasis. Bring on the crash....smells like...opportunity ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montgomery Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: To be fair, hardly any are insisting that climate isn't changing, or even that humans are causing it. They won, though, just by delaying a response and controls on fossil fuels. And they laid the groundwork for the shit-show of propaganda we see today, and the coming one which is worse. Yes, they're winning but the Cons still need to be exposed for the dishonest posers they are when they pretend to be on board with manmade climate changes. We need to poll them individually and get the denial out of them. They know that the Con party can't take an honourable position and so they waffle. Thankfully, in the US, Conseravtism and rightist policy is being exposed for the hateful filth it really is. In that sense Trump could be a blessing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 7 hours ago, -TSS- said: In a country like Finland, and I suspect that in Canada too, if you live in a house which has central-heating your carbon footprint is already higher than that of several people in countries of the so-called developing countries. If you turn on the light in your heated house your carbon footprint grows again. If you have a car that really increases your carbon footprint. If you take a foteign holiday especially by flying there your carbon footprint grows exponentially. We keep on being reminded of this all the time by people who simultaneosly are worried about ageing population and labour-shortage(hahah!) and as a solution propose more immigration. Everything we pretty much do today will add to the carbon footprint. This is why this so called global warming movement will never go anywhere. Except for a few fools there is nobody all that much willing to give up their present day lifestyle. I for sure will not be willing to give up my lifestyle especially when I see people like David Suzuki and Al Gore not practicing what they preach. Those are two of the biggest bull chitters and polluters in the world. Tell those two bull chitters to stop flying several times around the world when they can easily do their work from home. More immigration is not the answer to anything. It will just create more pollution and more damage to the country that is stupid enough to bring in more immigrants. Canada is one of those stupid countries full of stupid political leaders who cannot stop doing stupid things all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 31 minutes ago, montgomery said: Yes, they're winning but the Cons still need to be exposed for the dishonest posers they are when they pretend to be on board with manmade climate changes. We need to poll them individually and get the denial out of them. They know that the Con party can't take an honourable position and so they waffle. Thankfully, in the US, Conseravtism and rightist policy is being exposed for the hateful filth it really is. In that sense Trump could be a blessing! C'mon, give me a break. Your dear leader prime mistake of Canada and his merry band of leftist liberal misfits could careless about climate change or the environment. They just are doing what you said the conservatives are doing? Just trying to appear to be politically correct and taking their orders from the likes of George Soros one of the biggest polluters in the world. Wake up will you. Stop spreading that manure around that liberals are the darlings of the world. It is liberalism that needs to be exposed for the big lie that it is. Trump is a blessing to real and true conservatives and conservatism. Scheer is no conservative but just another liberal in conservative clothing. Scheer like Trudeau will say and do whatever it takes to get the top job in Canada. Give me a break. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montgomery Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 18 minutes ago, taxme said: C'mon, give me a break. Your dear leader prime mistake of Canada and his merry band of leftist liberal misfits could careless about climate change or the environment. They just are doing what you said the conservatives are doing? Just trying to appear to be politically correct and taking their orders from the likes of George Soros one of the biggest polluters in the world. Wake up will you. Stop spreading that manure around that liberals are the darlings of the world. It is liberalism that needs to be exposed for the big lie that it is. Trump is a blessing to real and true conservatives and conservatism. Scheer is no conservative but just another liberal in conservative clothing. Scheer like Trudeau will say and do whatever it takes to get the top job in Canada. Give me a break. W ake up will you. Attack my opinions as much as you want but don't attack me by suggesting that I need to wake up. Nuff said for now. If you're a Con supporter then you simply need to declare whether or not you belive in manmade climate change. The Con party can't continue to pretend to be onside with the scientific community while at the same time taking cheap shots at Trudeau for being a believer. It's just not going to be tolerated any longer! Yes, Trump is a true conservative, fascist, rightwing mad psychopath, and I would suggest that Scheer is exactly the same and will show it when he gets his courage up. That is, if he ever does become honest with his opinion on manmade climate change? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 Did I just step into a Monty python skit or what?.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montgomery Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 9 minutes ago, scribblet said: Did I just step into a Monty python skit or what?.. Cleverly disguised personal attacks are still personal attacks! If you have an appropriate comment to make on something yoiu disagree with in what I've said, then please do so. I see your avatar is some sort of 'takeoff' on the Trump ballcap theme which appeals so much to 'that' sort of people. Does that mean you're a Trump supporter or a Scheer supporter. Surely you have something to say about that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 18 minutes ago, scribblet said: Did I just step into a Monty python skit or what?.. It would appear as though you may have stepped into some liberal chit. Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montgomery Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 37 minutes ago, scribblet said: Did I just step into a Monty python skit or what?.. What 'does' it say on that ballcap? I take it to be something to do with support of the US's psychopath president because the red ballcap is his theme. Is that supposed to mean you are a CPC supporter too? Cons of the same political stripe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 26 minutes ago, montgomery said: Attack my opinions as much as you want but don't attack me by suggesting that I need to wake up. Nuff said for now. If you're a Con supporter then you simply need to declare whether or not you belive in manmade climate change. The Con party can't continue to pretend to be onside with the scientific community while at the same time taking cheap shots at Trudeau for being a believer. It's just not going to be tolerated any longer! Yes, Trump is a true conservative, fascist, rightwing mad psychopath, and I would suggest that Scheer is exactly the same and will show it when he gets his courage up. That is, if he ever does become honest with his opinion on manmade climate change? I will attack your opinions, and even you, if you deserve it. No one is immune from "attacks" here. Well, if you are a liberal than I have no problem saying to you to wake up. Nuff said. I am a conservative but I cannot find any conservative in the conservative party that I am willing to want to follow and support. Except for maybe for Maxine Bernier who at this time appears to be quite conservative. Only time will tell. No, I do not believe in man made climate change. I believe that there may be some acts of nature going on here on earth but I do not believe that what is happening all over the world is man made. And cow farts causing global warming just does not work for me. That is just as stupid as those who still believe that the earth is flat. No doubt just some more of liberal bull chit. Many in the scientific community are on the payroll of someone of some environmental group. Many in the scientific community are being paid by global alarmists to tell lies about climate change. I am not worried about global warming and neither should you. It's all mostly just horse manure. Trudeau is full of chit and he knows it and he does not believe in global change at all. What Trudeau needs is more expensive shots to his constant lies. You better learn that your dear prime mistake of yours will not be given any immune here for his beliefs but will receive more attacks if needed. You better learn to tolerate that, fella. This is not just your show here. Yes, Trudeau is a leftist/communist/fascist and border line screwball and I would suggest that Trudeau get the hell out of town. Canadians who have and use common sense and logic do not need an emotional and foolish talking wreck of a leader of Canada like Trudeau. Trudeau needs to become more honest on how he really feels about his man made climate change bull chit propaganda that he enjoys trying to spread around in Canada. It will be up to Scheer to decide as to whether he wants to carry on with this global warming bs or just dump it. That is up to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 Your sure pretty good at insults and name calling, it says... make Canada Trudeauless again. And the sooner the better we get rid of that vacuos narcissist. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, montgomery said: What 'does' it say on that ballcap? I take it to be something to do with support of the US's psychopath president because the red ballcap is his theme. Is that supposed to mean you are a CPC supporter too? Cons of the same political stripe? I would sure like to know as to where I can buy a Make Canada Conservative Again hat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxme Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 1 minute ago, scribblet said: Your sure pretty good at insults and name calling, it says... make Canada Trudeauless again. And the sooner the better we get rid of that vacuos narcissist. Where did you get that hat? I would sure like to buy one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, taxme said: It would appear as though you may have stepped into some liberal chit. Just saying. More , like liberal bull chit... toto I'm not in Kansas anymore. No point in this.... I just saw the hat elsewhere but can't find it for sale,I'd love to buy one Edited January 5, 2019 by scribblet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 18 hours ago, eyeball said: Mocking your notion that an invasion of capitalists money is a vanguard of mine stands. Not sure what planet you're on but the Chinese also have their 1%. That's practically everywhere in the world. In their case given the large population, many millions live in poverty. They toil in low paying jobs, minimal education, work at an early age. Even, child labour. And that, is your leftism in action. Real-world leftism looks like that, not what's written in your little theory book. The level of pollution they generate is appalling, as we got a glimpse of during the Beijing Olympics. There's your major source of greenhouse gases, fella. So don't come talking to me about paying your leftist taxes, while these people are billowing shit into the atmosphere ten thousand times more than us. Quote I look forward to the day Canadian right-wing political parties take on Canada's financial sector and their putrescently rich foreign clients at the behest of the racists that increasingly form so much of the base of right-wing political parties these days. Me too. And the corruption of left wing parties. Since it's clear we're not getting out of making deals with the Chinese, Saudis or otherwise malfeasant anytime soon, I prefer that one that just shuts up about it and gets on with the work. I have no need for empty virtue signalling. It does not make me feel better. The leftist liberal needs to feel better, to reconcile with their sense of personal guilt. Right wing conservatives do not need to feel better. We like ourselves just fine. Quote I've also long predicted it was only a matter of time before right-wingers began making global warming something that was due to the left. I look forward to seeing this fleshed out too. I bet you'd really like this to descend into an all-out left versus right scrap, down in the dirt, complete with hair-pulling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-TSS- Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 11 hours ago, taxme said: Everything we pretty much do today will add to the carbon footprint. This is why this so called global warming movement will never go anywhere. Except for a few fools there is nobody all that much willing to give up their present day lifestyle. I for sure will not be willing to give up my lifestyle especially when I see people like David Suzuki and Al Gore not practicing what they preach. Those are two of the biggest bull chitters and polluters in the world. Tell those two bull chitters to stop flying several times around the world when they can easily do their work from home. More immigration is not the answer to anything. It will just create more pollution and more damage to the country that is stupid enough to bring in more immigrants. Canada is one of those stupid countries full of stupid political leaders who cannot stop doing stupid things all the time. Yes, many of those people are unbearable hypocrites. Here in Finland we have one female-politician, a socialist(surprise), who goes on constantly about how the climate-change is the biggest challenge of our lifetime and we must do everything to stop it. Once the same politician posted on her instagramm-account pictures of her holiday in the Mediterranean. People rightly asked her how did she get there. Did she row there or did she even swim all the way over there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 17 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: To be fair, hardly any are insisting that climate isn't changing, or even that humans are causing it. They won, though, just by delaying a response and controls on fossil fuels. And they laid the groundwork for the shit-show of propaganda we see today, and the coming one which is worse. The people who laid the groundwork for the shit-show of propaganda were those on the climate science side who made the conscious decision to exaggerate (lie) because they felt that would be more dramatic and would grab people's attention better and make them more concerned. People like Al Gore, fore example, who openly admitted this, and who says the IPCC 'torqued up" the language of their report, to get people's attention. Or as one noted climate scientist put it "On the one hand, as scientists we are ethically bound to the scientific method. On the other hand, we are not just scientists but human beings as well. To do that we need to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination. That, of course, means getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montgomery Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 51 minutes ago, Argus said: The people who laid the groundwork for the shit-show of propaganda were those on the climate science side who made the conscious decision to exaggerate (lie) because they felt that would be more dramatic and would grab people's attention better and make them more concerned. People like Al Gore, fore example, who openly admitted this, and who says the IPCC 'torqued up" the language of their report, to get people's attention. Or as one noted climate scientist put it "On the one hand, as scientists we are ethically bound to the scientific method. On the other hand, we are not just scientists but human beings as well. To do that we need to get some broad based support, to capture the public’s imagination. That, of course, means getting loads of media coverage. So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest." shit-show? Is that an appropriate way to express yourself on this forum? I would suggest you produce your denialist experts so we believers can start to examine their credibility. I suspect you have none that aren't paid shills of the oil industry. Unless of course you want to tout yourself as your own expert? Expressing yourself by calling the science 'shit-shows' doesn't quite rise to the level of being all that convincing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 18 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: To be fair, hardly any are insisting that climate isn't changing, or even that humans are causing it. They won, though, just by delaying a response and controls on fossil fuels. How is it a "win", unless one only defines these questions through the lens of partisanship? It is simply too crude a view. Or, it is interpreted far too crudely. Stop doing that. A more sensible question is, Why does Little Johnny still like fossil fuels? ==== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turningrite Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 (edited) On 1/4/2019 at 12:06 PM, -TSS- said: In a country like Finland, and I suspect that in Canada too, if you live in a house which has central-heating your carbon footprint is already higher than that of several people in countries of the so-called developing countries. If you turn on the light in your heated house your carbon footprint grows again. If you have a car that really increases your carbon footprint. If you take a foteign holiday especially by flying there your carbon footprint grows exponentially. We keep on being reminded of this all the time by people who simultaneosly are worried about ageing population and labour-shortage(hahah!) and as a solution propose more immigration. You raise valid concerns. The carbon issue is much more complex than many "progressives" seem willing to acknowledge. The Canadian environmentalist David Suzuki, among others, has noted the carbon implications of encouraging population growth in northern climates featuring Western living standards. Why progressives don't understand the issue remains a mystery as it seems pretty obvious. Apparently, for many, "diversity" trumps the environment, a bias they should simply admit. But if climate alarmists are correct, progressives will see the planet burn up for the sake of diversity, which seems a bizarre trade-off. As for carbon taxes, there's increasing evidence that they're both socially regressive and economically counterproductive. (See link below.) Sometimes a tax is just a tax and as the intent of taxation in Canada (and other Western countries) is largely focused on economic redistribution (i.e. tax and subsidize) the biggest price being paid is by taxpayers immediately above the subsidy qualification range(s), as is the case with virtually all subsidy programs. Subsidies are not actually equitable. They have to be paid for by somebody and they're received by somebody else and those with the least power to avoid taxation who don't qualify for subsidies are generally the most negatively impacted. Saying that carbon taxes prove that "at least we're doing something" about climate change is worse than doing nothing as it lulls us into believing that we are doing something constructive. The proper response should be to tax emissions at source, both directly in source countries and by tariffs in terms of pricing emissions intensity related to products we import. We're taking the opposite approach, taxing end use consumers, sparing big emitters and encouraging a form of corporate globalization that actually rewards manufacturers and importers, who in the latter case source their product abroad and very often in the developing world, for using low-cost but highly polluting fossil fuels. https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/canadas-phony-debate-about-carbon-taxes/ Edited January 5, 2019 by turningrite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 4 hours ago, Argus said: The people who laid the groundwork for the shit-show of propaganda were those on the climate science side who made the conscious decision to exaggerate (lie) because they felt that would be more dramatic and would grab people's attention better and make them more concerned. Oh, bollocks. I am talking about utter falsehoods. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hardner Posted January 5, 2019 Report Share Posted January 5, 2019 3 hours ago, OftenWrong said: How is it a "win", Industry hasn't suffered from any public response to Climate Change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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