eyeball Posted January 19, 2019 Report Posted January 19, 2019 1 hour ago, bcsapper said: Would that be the case, if the idea they are supporting is brainless? No, they'd only be stupid if economics trumped virtue no matter what, even in the face of things like mass extinctions or migrations. If I'd been raised to uphold that as the smarter principle in life life things would have turned out better for me. Instead of spending 30 grand on a septic system for example I could have just spent a couple thousand on a ditch around the old crapped out field and dumping it into a nearby creek. I could have raised the couple thousand that took selling dope to kids on the side or something. What I did however was to borrow the 30 grand and get a 2nd job. Fuck the people downstream from my septic system right? As I recall they're brown so.... As for the people upstream of me...they better not act like me or there'll be hell to pay. Principles are for losers right? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Guest Posted January 19, 2019 Report Posted January 19, 2019 Just now, eyeball said: No, they'd only be stupid if economics trumped virtue no matter what, even in the face of things like mass extinctions or migrations. If I'd been raised to uphold that as the smarter principle in life life things would have turned out better for me. Instead of spending 30 grand on a septic system for example I could have just spent a couple thousand on a ditch around the old crapped out field and dumping it into a nearby creek. I could have raised the couple thousand that took selling dope to kids on the side or something. What I did however was to borrow the 30 grand and get a 2nd job. Fuck the people downstream from my septic system right? As I recall they're brown so.... As for the people upstream of me...they better not act like me or there'll be hell to pay. Principles are for losers right? Ah, brown. I wouldn't know... Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 19, 2019 Report Posted January 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, eyeball said: No, they'd only be stupid if economics trumped virtue no matter what, even in the face of things like mass extinctions or migrations. If I'd been raised to uphold that as the smarter principle in life life things would have turned out better for me. Instead of spending 30 grand on a septic system for example I could have just spent a couple thousand on a ditch around the old crapped out field and dumping it into a nearby creek. So is Victoria BC still pumping raw sewage in to the ocean at Clover Point ? If so, please inform them of the "smarter principle". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted January 19, 2019 Report Posted January 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, bcsapper said: Ah, brown. I wouldn't know... You should. You were spared having to learn any principles? Lucky you. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Guest Posted January 19, 2019 Report Posted January 19, 2019 Just now, eyeball said: You should. You were spared having to learn any principles? Lucky you. I learned when they were pointless. As did you, apparently, by trying to bring race into an argument about climate change mitigation. Quote
eyeball Posted January 19, 2019 Report Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) On 1/18/2019 at 5:18 PM, bush_cheney2004 said: So is Victoria BC still pumping raw sewage in to the ocean at Clover Point ? If so, please inform them of the "smarter principle". I did. As you probably don't recall or care...I initiated, planned, lobbied, got funding for, and had installed a vessel sewage pump-out station in our harbour downstream from Victoria. One of the purposes of the initiative was to join other small like-minded communities to apply moral pressure on Victoria to clean up its act. Sure pissed off lots of boaters doing that too when the authorities banned them from dumping their sewage into our harbour. Of course they didn't have the term virtue signalling back in those days so the grumbling was pretty unfocused and generalized but you could certainly tell what some people thought by the dirty looks I got around the dock. Edited January 22, 2019 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 19, 2019 Report Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, eyeball said: I did. As you probably don't recall or care...I initiated, planned, lobbied, got funding for, and had installed a vessel sewage pump-out station in our harbour downstream from Victoria. That's nice...CHT fittings and stations have been common elsewhere for decades. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted January 19, 2019 Report Posted January 19, 2019 12 minutes ago, bcsapper said: I learned when they were pointless. As did you, apparently, by trying to bring race into an argument about climate change mitigation. Oh goddamnit now look at what I've done...single handedly undermined and lost the entire environmentalist cause due to a little sardonic whimsy. You're so politically correct. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted January 19, 2019 Report Posted January 19, 2019 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: That's nice...CHT fittings and stations have been common elsewhere for decades. Yeah, fuckin' yankees have been coming into Canadian waters for decades to get around their rules at home. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted January 19, 2019 Report Posted January 19, 2019 17 minutes ago, bcsapper said: I learned when they were pointless. And started acting accordingly? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 19, 2019 Report Posted January 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, eyeball said: Yeah, fuckin' yankees have been coming into Canadian waters for decades to get around their rules at home. So to make a long story short...Victoria is still pumping raw sewage into the ocean...because...economics trumps virtue. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Dougie93 Posted January 19, 2019 Report Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: So to make a long story short...Victoria is still pumping raw sewage into the ocean...because...economics trumps virtue. Also governments in Canada simply pander to every sob story that comes along without restraint, and as an insightful Canadian politician recently pointed out, everybody in Canada has a sob story, and when you have to throw tax dollars at every sob story case that comes along, lest the media attack you for being monstrous, you simply don't have enough money left over to cover all the basic functions of government for which it is actually purposed. Edited January 19, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote
eyeball Posted January 19, 2019 Report Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: So to make a long story short...Victoria is still pumping raw sewage into the ocean...because...economics trumps virtue. No, the story isn't over yet. Victoria is now constructing a sewage treatment system and following the lead of smaller communities. Virtue is trumping economics. If small towns can convince a veritable municipal super-power to get its shit together then so can any middle power change a super-powers behaviour. You shouldn't say it can't be done when people are doing it. Edited January 19, 2019 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 19, 2019 Report Posted January 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, eyeball said: No, the story isn't over yet. Victoria is now constructing a sewage treatment system and following the lead of smaller communities. Virtue is trumping economics. If small towns can convince a veritable municipal super-power to get its shit together then so can any middle power change a super-powers behaviour. You shouldn't say it can't be done when people are doing it. Please let us all know when it is actually done, not just more half-assed discussions about doing it....someday. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted January 19, 2019 Report Posted January 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Please let us all know when it is actually done, not just more half-assed discussions about doing it....someday. Quote https://www.crd.bc.ca/project/wastewater-treatment-project/current-construction-activities The Wastewater Treatment Project is being built to meet the provincial and federal regulations for treatment of the core area's wastewater by December 31, 2020. It will include construction activities in Esquimalt, Oak Bay, Saanich, and Victoria. Construction is underway on the McLoughlin Point Wastewater Treatment Plant. The cross-harbour undersea tunnel from Ogden Point to McLoughlin Point is now complete. Construction of the Residuals Treatment Facility at Hartland Landfill began in late spring 2018, and construction for the majority of the conveyance system (the pumps and pipes) will also begin in 2018. The Clover Point Pump Station and the Macaulay Point Pump Station began construction in spring 2018 and construction of the Clover Forcemain and Residual Solids Conveyance Line began in fall 2018 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Zeitgeist Posted January 19, 2019 Report Posted January 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Please let us all know when it is actually done, not just more half-assed discussions about doing it....someday. You should do a field trip to the Love Canal just south of the border. The river was actually set on fire. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 19, 2019 Report Posted January 19, 2019 Just now, eyeball said: The Wastewater Treatment Project is being built ... So like I said...not done yet. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 19, 2019 Report Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said: You should do a field trip to the Love Canal just south of the border. The river was actually set on fire. Been there many times....one of my main squeezes lived in Buffalo. Superfund site...unlike in BC, dumping stopped decades ago. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted January 19, 2019 Report Posted January 19, 2019 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: So like I said...not done yet. Yes that's what I said too. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Guest Posted January 19, 2019 Report Posted January 19, 2019 25 minutes ago, eyeball said: Oh goddamnit now look at what I've done...single handedly undermined and lost the entire environmentalist cause due to a little sardonic whimsy. You're so politically correct. Sardonic whimsy? I have to admit that never occurred to me. Quote
Guest Posted January 19, 2019 Report Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, eyeball said: And started acting accordingly? Why would someone do something that was pointless? Edit> Actually don't answer that. I come on here, don't I? Edited January 19, 2019 by bcsapper Quote
SyncreticParty Posted January 22, 2019 Report Posted January 22, 2019 This thread was a good read. Quote
egghead Posted April 27, 2019 Report Posted April 27, 2019 4 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said: The answer is yes. Don't overestimate yourself; climate has been changing long before human existence Quote
Guest Posted April 27, 2019 Report Posted April 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, egghead said: Don't overestimate yourself; climate has been changing long before human existence Utter silliness. Totally pointless comment. The notion that we have no effect on the climate is beyond inane. Quote
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