The Slow Painful Death of the Trump Administration

[bush_cheney2004]

30 minutes ago, Boges said:

And if you refuse to come to work for free? 

Can't feel good that jobs that have real implications on National Security and Food Safety are being forced to Volunteer. 

 

Not reporting for work as an essential employee would follow the same procedure as if there was no shutdown.   

All of the U.S. armed forces on active duty are volunteers.....even when they get stop lossed.    Refusing to come to work is called absent without leave (AWOL).

[Shady]

3 hours ago, Boges said:

And if you refuse to come to work for free? 

Can't feel good that jobs that have real implications on National Security and Food Safety are being forced to Volunteer. 

Isn't it the unions job to have money saved up for work stoppages?

[BubberMiley]

3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Not reporting for work as an essential employee would follow the same procedure as if there was no shutdown.   

All of the U.S. armed forces on active duty are volunteers.....even when they get stop lossed.    Refusing to come to work is called absent without leave (AWOL).

I agree. They signed up for it as volunteers. They're working for their country. They should have no expectation of remuneration. Screw them all.

[Zeitgeist]

Are you telling me that under US law there’s no assurance that these workers will be paid?  

[bush_cheney2004]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Are you telling me that under US law there’s no assurance that these workers will be paid?  

 

???   Back pay has already been passed and signed by Trump.    Routine for shutdowns....this has happened before.

[Dougie93]

2 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Are you telling me that under US law there’s no assurance that these workers will be paid?  

There's no clause in the constitution which asserts a right to a job for life from the government, they are free to resign and return to the private sector as they may.

[Dougie93]

As the United States military serves in defence of the constitution uber alles, unlike a royalist army which is mercenary, I am confident they will remain at their posts for the most part.

[Iznogoud]

On 1/16/2019 at 8:33 PM, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Well, this may come as a surprise to you, but U.S. presidents are subject to term limits and elections at 4 years.  It is not in any way considered to be death, painful or otherwise, unless they are assassinated or succumb to a terminal disease.

Donald Trump remains more popular with his base and independents than several previous presidents who have served two full terms.   He will have his presidency like all the others, and many books will be written, like all the others, and he will forever be the 45th President of the United States.

I can explain metaphors to you if you wish.  And you are right - he will always be remembered as the 45th and most dysfunctional president of the US.  Today he hurt himself a little more by refusing to give a congressional delegation access to a military flight; something no other president has ever done.  Not only that he placed all of the lives of such a delegation in danger by revealing its itinerary.  This is childish spite at best.  As I have pointed out previously in this thread, Trump is his own worst enemy.  And Trump's support from his base appears to be weakening.  It will probably continue to do so as the Trump shutdown continues, especially as many of those affected probably voted for him.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/01/17/trump-loses-support-among-core-voters-as-the-shutdown-drags-on-polls.html

[bush_cheney2004]

29 minutes ago, Iznogoud said:

I can explain metaphors to you if you wish.  And you are right - he will always be remembered as the 45th and most dysfunctional president of the US.  Today he hurt himself a little more by refusing to give a congressional delegation access to a military flight; something no other president has ever done.

 

President Lincoln actually had a member of Congress arrested ...Trump hasn't done that yet.  Stay tuned....

[Boges]

10 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

President Lincoln actually had a member of Congress arrested ...Trump hasn't done that yet.  Stay tuned....

By who? The FBI that he keeps slagging and accusing of being corrupt?

 

Edited January 18, 2019 by Boges

[Boges]

I saw on the News this morning that Trump didn't realize his new AG appointee and Mueller are actually friends.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6605789/Donald-Trump-startled-attorney-general-pick-Bill-Barrs-friendship-Robert-Mueller.html

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Donald Trump was 'startled' after watching William Barr's attorney general confirmation hearing on Tuesday, after the 68-year-old spoke about his tight friendship with Special Counsel Robert Mueller.

The president complained to his aides that 'he didn't realize how much their work overlapped or that they were so close' when he nominated him, according to CNN.

After watching Barr speak at the Senate Judiciary Committee, POTUS was caught 'off-guard' and 'bristled' as he had to listen to details of their history but he later calmed himself by putting their familiarity with each other purely down Washington business.  

 

What a fucking Moron. 

[Yzermandius19]

53 minutes ago, Boges said:

I saw on the News this morning that Trump didn't realize his new AG appointee and Mueller are actually friends.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6605789/Donald-Trump-startled-attorney-general-pick-Bill-Barrs-friendship-Robert-Mueller.html

What a fucking Moron. 

When his haters focus on stuff like this, who needs supporters?

[Centerpiece]

7 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said:

When his haters focus on stuff like this, who needs supporters?

 

.....and meanwhile, things that actually matter - things that everyone said couldn't be done......keep getting done:

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China has offered to go on a six-year buying spree to ramp up imports from the U.S., in a move that would reconfigure the relationship between the world’s two largest economies, according to officials familiar with the negotiations.

By increasing goods imports from the U.S. by a combined value of more than $1 trillion over that period, China would seek to reduce its trade surplus -- which last year stood at $323 billion -- to zero by 2024, one of the people said. The officials asked not to be named as the discussions aren’t public.

 

Link: https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-01-18/china-is-said-to-offer-path-to-eliminate-u-s-trade-imbalance

[Iznogoud]

And now we have Buzzfeed reporting that Trump directed Cohen to lie to Congress.  BuzzFeed!  If that bunch of lightweights can get hold of a story who knows what other damning revelations are yet to come?

[bush_cheney2004]

36 minutes ago, Iznogoud said:

And now we have Buzzfeed reporting that Trump directed Cohen to lie to Congress.  BuzzFeed!  If that bunch of lightweights can get hold of a story who knows what other damning revelations are yet to come?

 

...and we also have Mueller's office describing Buzzfeed's reporting as "inaccurate".

[Centerpiece]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

...and we also have Mueller's office describing Buzzfeed's reporting as "inaccurate".

Funny how media like Buzzfeed are ridiculed by the MSM - until they report supposed dirt on Trump.......they automatically become a viable news outlet.

[SMitchell]

On 1/16/2019 at 9:50 PM, Jimwd said:

The right has changed by selling out to russia

I was unaware of this.  Please explain how the right sold out to Russia.  I don't know many people further right than me, and I still consider Russia an enemy of the west.

[Jimwd]

1 hour ago, SMitchell said:

I was unaware of this.  Please explain how the right sold out to Russia.  I don't know many people further right than me, and I still consider Russia an enemy of the west.

Manafort giving internal data  to 

Konstantin Kilimnik, a Russian business associate with ties to Russian intelligence

 

The contested swing states that Trump narrowly—and surprisingly—won, such as Michigan and Wisconsin, were also places where both the Trump campaign and Russia’s Internet Research Agency focussed their efforts. Herein lies at least one answer to the question of why Russia would want the Trump campaign’s polling data: it potentially offered demographic targets for Russia’s bots and propaganda.

 

Kilimnik was indicted by Special Counsel Robert Mueller's grand jury on June 8, 2018 on charges of obstruction of justice and conspiracy to obstruct justice by attempting to tamper with a witness on behalf of Manafort.

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, SMitchell said:

I was unaware of this.  Please explain how the right sold out to Russia.  I don't know many people further right than me, and I still consider Russia an enemy of the west.

We haven't sold out to Russia, you can't sell the Declaration of Independence out, because we don't own it, it is a gift to the world from the Founders, Jefferson & Co

 By the Declaration of Independence, the right of the Western World, which is classical liberal limited government conservatism, does not recognize "collusion" as being a crime, collusion is simply association, and we have freedom of association.

The only thing you can't do with Russia, is pass them classified material related to national security, which has to be specially classified, by executive order.

So lets say people on the right colluded to out the Democrat Party's dirt in public, using a variety of means, maybe Russians, Wikileaks, what have you, none of that is a crime, because the Democrat Party's political dirt is not classified material by executive order, so outing it into the public sphere is constitutionally protected free speech, otherwise known as Whistleblowing.

[Dougie93]

All that matters is keeping the light of civilization from the forces of darkness, by any and all means necessary, so if we have to use Stalin to beat Hitler, then turn around and beat Stalin after with the West Germans?

No problemo, all's fair in love and war.

[Jimwd]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

We haven't sold out to Russia, you can't sell the Declaration of Independence out, because we don't own it, it is a gift to the world from the Founders, Jefferson & Co

 By the Declaration of Independence, the right of the Western World, which is classical liberal limited government conservatism, does not recognize "collusion" as being a crime, collusion is simply association, and we have freedom of association.

The only thing you can't do with Russia, is pass them classified material related to national security, which has to be specially classified, by executive order.

So lets say people on the right colluded to out the Democrat Party's dirt in public, using a variety of means, maybe Russians, Wikileaks, what have you, none of that is a crime, because the Democrat Party's political dirt is not classified material by executive order, so outing it into the public sphere is constitutionally protected free speech, otherwise known as Whistleblowing.

The Russians committed a crime by hacking and stealing dnc emails. They also committed bank fraud and identity theft, Anyone who conspires with a criminal to defraud the United States is comitting a felony.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Jimwd said:

The Russians committed a crime by hacking and stealing dnc emails. They also committed bank fraud and identity theft, Anyone who conspires with a criminal to defraud the United States is comitting a felony.

As I said, the DNC hack is only a political "crime", and so not protected by executive order.

Whatever else Mr. Ivan is doing, is not central to the point, he remains an adversary, and we are in fact the only ones deterring him, the Bernie Bro Democrats are going commie on their own without any help from Mr. Ivan.

[Jimwd]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

As I said, the DNC hack is only a political "crime", and so not protected by executive order.

Whatever else Mr. Ivan is doing, is not central to the point, he remains an adversary, and we are in fact the only ones deterring him, the Bernie Bro Democrats are going commie on their own without any help from Mr. Ivan.

Computer theft is a felony. There is no executive order protecting felonies. Zero.

Bank fraud is a felony. Identity theft is a felony. 

If you conspire with people committing felonies to affect an election  is also a felony.

[Dougie93]

Also bear in mind, Cold War is informal.  

Russia is not actually a formal enemy of the state, unless and until Congress designated them as by formal declaration of war under the Hague Convention.

That is why we call Orange Force an "adversary" rather than a "enemy", Mr. Ivan is not an enemy unless and until he crosses the Article V line in force.

[Jimwd]

From in or around 2014 to the present, Defendants knowingly and intentionally conspired with each other (and with persons known and unknown to
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Case 1:18-cr-00032-DLF Document 1 Filed 02/16/18 Page 3 of 37
the Grand Jury) to defraud the United States by impairing, obstructing, and defeating the lawful functions of the government through fraud and deceit for the purpose of interfering with the U.S. political and electoral processes, including the presidential election of 2016.

 

. In order to carry out their activities to interfere in U.S. political and electoral processes without detection of their Russian affiliation, Defendants conspired to obstruct the lawful functions of the United States government through fraud and deceit, including by making expenditures in connection with the 2016 U.S. presidential election without proper regulatory disclosure; failing to register as foreign agents carrying out political activities within the United States; and obtaining visas through false and fraudulent statements.