DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Walk away from responsibility and see what happens. You won’t like it. Means nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Walk away from responsibility and see what happens. You won’t like it. What happens is more NATO deadbeats increase their defense budgets after Trump "walks away". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 Just now, DogOnPorch said: Means nothing. Until you’re on the wrong end of it. Don’t take freedom for granted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 Just now, Zeitgeist said: Until you’re on the wrong end of it. Don’t take freedom for granted. Also meaningless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Until you’re on the wrong end of it. Don’t take freedom for granted. Easy to do when somebody else pays most of the bill. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: What happens is more NATO deadbeats increase their defense budgets after Trump "walks away". I agree with the walked away part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 Trump booted NATO deadbeats in the ass....results are forthcoming: Quote According to NATO's most recent estimate, released in June 2017, six EU countries hit the 2 percent target: the United States, Greece, the United Kingdom, Estonia, Romania and Poland. The latter two countries scraped across the line at 2.02 percent and 2.01 percent respectively. ...On Russia, Stoltenberg welcomed Trump's planned meeting with Vladimir Putin on July 16. "We are in favor of what we call a dual-track approach to Russia. We need strong defense combined with dialogue. For us there is no contradiction between defense or dialogue," he said. https://www.politico.eu/article/nato-jens-stoltenberg-donald-trump-8-countries-to-hit-defense-spending-target/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said: I agree with the walked away part. Sure hope so....seems to have gotten their attention. Trump wins.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Trump booted NATO deadbeats in the ass....results are forthcoming: That it was the good ol' UK and the new guys is rather telling, eh? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 Although, who knows? If Jeremy gets into power, it might well be the UKSSR. Putin: This guy's too radical for us! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 8 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Trump booted NATO deadbeats in the ass....results are forthcoming: It’s important for Trump to get his marching orders straight. The Putin meeting set him straight. Edited January 17, 2019 by Zeitgeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) Russia can't afford to keep 100+ Mech Divisions, engines running, on the border anymore. Edited January 17, 2019 by DogOnPorch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said: It’s important for Trump to get his marching orders straight. The Putin meeting set him straight. Sounds good....Putin and Trump both matter a lot more than Trudeau. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Sounds good....Putin and Trump both matter a lot more than Trudeau. I personally see nothing at all wrong with the two cooperating re: mutual interests. Sure beats the other option... But, it would seem the Liberals and Democrats need an enemy that isn't their pet Muslims or their Chinese masters. Ayyyyyooooh! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 If this be the death of the Trump administration, please let there be much more: Quote Our commander in chief is a crude man. Being outraged at whatever he says or does has become an obsession for millions of Americans. But as impolitic as his delivery of the message may be, President Trump is absolutely right when he says the American people are getting a raw deal from NATO, and equally right to insist that, from now on, fellow members of this supposed alliance start paying their fair share "IMMEDIATELY." ...Forgive me for being a xenophobic reactionary jerk, but watching some Burgundy-sniffing dork snootily explain that Americans are simultaneously morons who are too greedy to take care of one another and also omnipotent, omniscient, omnibenevolent super-beings who exist solely for the purpose of ensuring that the Western world is safe from noted international meanie Vladimir Putin makes me see red — and white and blue. https://theweek.com/articles/784232/trump-right-about-nato Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: If this be the death of the Trump administration, please let there be much more: TRUMP 2020, my friend. My sentiment exactly. There was once good reason the USA picked-up the tab for the gang at the NATO Diner. WW2 is a great excuse for...ohhhhh....twenty years, at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Then why is one particular member expected to contribute far more resources than many of the others ? Actually, what happened was, the British and Canadians talked America into it because they invoked "Collective Security" which would then allow them to fund their nanny welfare states. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimwd Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 21 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: If Trump still going strong after two years is a troll....better get ready for a lot more. “Isis is defeated “DJT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 29 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Russia can't afford to keep 100+ Mech Divisions, engines running, on the border anymore. Never actually had that many on the trace, Group Soviet Forces Germany in defense of the Potsdam Agreement was more like 20 divisions in 5 armies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Jimwd said: “Isis is defeated “DJT What a shame... Quote Canada's Kurdish allies in Iraq are calling Liberal prime-minister-designate Justin Trudeau's plan to withdraw from a combat role against the Islamic State "bad news." https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/trudeaus-plan-to-pull-fighter-jets-out-of-iraq-bad-news-kurdish-government-says/article26912540/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Same for Trump....and me. Let Chrystia Freeland fight Ukraine's battles on Canada's dime, not mine. Agreed, particularly as Ivan doesn't have the horses to make it past Transnistria by that route, which is again, quite far from my tethered tax jurisdiction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: Agreed, particularly as Ivan doesn't have the horses to make it past Transnistria by that route, which is again, quite far from my tethered tax jurisdiction. Hey...Canada's foreign minister has the hots for Ukraine....Americans don't. Ukraine was more than happy to nuke America just a few decades ago. Edited January 17, 2019 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougie93 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 My only interest in the theater is the House of Windsor which is protected UKUSSA, not NATO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeitgeist Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) Yeah the Russian people are very friendly. When I was working there they felt upset about not being included in NATO. They felt humiliated watching Yeltsin get tanked while the Russian Federation fell apart. Putin has been fighting to restore Russian power, and you know what? Mission accomplished. Sure he’s invaded another country’s sovereign territory and done political interference and military insurrection in Ukraine, okay and poisoned some political appointments, but he’s a strong guy, a black belt. Also he’s former KGB and understands realpolitik. Can you see any reason why Trump can’t trust him? I mean, he seems a likeable sort, kind of like Trump. Edited January 17, 2019 by Zeitgeist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Share Posted January 17, 2019 Just now, Zeitgeist said: .... Can you see any reason why Trump can’t trust him? I mean, he seems a likeable sort, kind of like Trump. Trump doesn't have to like him, but unlike Trudeau, Trump does have to respect him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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