The transgender insanity movement

[Michael Hardner]

51 minutes ago, Argus said:

1. I find this a confusing answer as the numerous posts you have made in this and other forums in support of trans rights have contained no exemptions or doubt on any aspect of what activists are demanding, as far as I can recall. 

2. Would you also suggest there are topics on legal rights, issues and societal belief which women should not comment on because the discussion should be exclusively male?

3. I don't accept the woke belief that every identity group must remain within its own 'silo' and speak only to its own issues and problems.

4. And if this is 'angertainment' it is only because of the fanaticism and extremism of the trans supporters, their determination to punish wrongthink, and their refusal to accept any compromise,

5. The rest of us are just ordinary people reacting to stupid ideas, unrealistic demands, and illogical positions.

 

1. I am a trans supporter but not by the stringent definition you have provided.  For example, I don't' believe you are a woman.

2. I suspect there are such issues, though I can't think of one at the moment.

3. I don't think that's a woke belief, that's just something I have learned from my study of 'publics' in political philosophy.  It has nothing to do with identity politics, but can be applied there.

4. In other words, it's not angertainment because I am justifiably angry ?  Well, no, that is why it's angertainment.

5. Hey, baby, you're talking to a guy who was actually diagnosed with TDS.

[Argus]

On 8/24/2021 at 2:15 PM, Michael Hardner said:

1. I am a trans supporter but not by the stringent definition you have provided.  For example, I don't' believe you are a woman.

Do you realize that in countries where the transactivists have been most successful, like the UK, you could literally find police at your door for making that statement online?

On 8/24/2021 at 2:15 PM, Michael Hardner said:

4. In other words, it's not angertainment because I am justifiably angry ?  Well, no, that is why it's angertainment.

First, you're assuming I'm angry simply because I comment negatively on this subject. It doesn't impact me. I am speaking from the view of fundamental justice, which I have always had a strong interest in. Second, many aspects of politics draw strong disapproval from many people. Should we not discuss any of them?

On 8/24/2021 at 2:15 PM, Michael Hardner said:

5. Hey, baby, you're talking to a guy who was actually diagnosed with TDS.

Shady and Infidel Dog diagnose almost everyone with that particular problem.

[Argus]

Barbara Kay talks about the Trudeau government's feminism - a brand which discounts the importance of womens rights and safety in favour of the faddishness of trans rights.

For a more off-putting example that speaks directly to this government’s irresponsibility regarding women’s rights, we have the following story — apparently not considered newsworthy enough by the CBC — reported by True North’s Lindsay Shepherd. It springs directly from 2017 rules established by the Trudeau government, decreeing that a self-identity gender claim alone — no reassignment surgery necessary as was previously required — would be sufficient for biologically male prison inmates to request transfer to a women’s prison.

Two weeks ago, about 75 women assembled at the Fraser Valley Institution for Women (FVI) in Abbotsford, B.C., to protest the policy. According to former inmate and prisoners’ rights advocate Heather Mason, representing Canadian Women’s Sex-Based Rights, of the 92 inmates housed at FVI, five are males who claim to identify as women. A former Correctional Service of Canada deputy commissioner for women told Mason in 2019 that 50 per cent of the males who request to be transferred to a female prison are sex offenders.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/barbara-kay-trudeau-the-fake-feminist-ignores-female-inmates-concerns

[Michael Hardner]

2 hours ago, Argus said:

1. Do you realize that in countries where the transactivists have been most successful, like the UK, you could literally find police at your door for making that statement online?

2. First, you're assuming I'm angry simply because I comment negatively on this subject. It doesn't impact me. I am speaking from the view of fundamental justice, which I have always had a strong interest in. Second, many aspects of politics draw strong disapproval from many people. Should we not discuss any of them?

3. Shady and Infidel Dog diagnose almost everyone with that particular problem.

1. Yes 

2. I don't assume that

3. I have a prescription: my new age life coach has me listening to an hour of Al Gore a day.

 

 

 

 

[Michael Hardner]

China has got this gender thing figured out apparently.

https://apnews.com/article/lifestyle-entertainment-business-religion-china-62dda0fc98601dd5afa3aa555a901b3f

[Argus]

An interesting piece on the trans issue. Though it focuses on Dave Chapelle's new show it contains some startling information I didn't know about. For example:

Across the West, people are being fired, targeted, prosecuted, even jailed, for stating biological facts. Children are being medicated with off-label drugs — “puberty blockers” — that can permanently sterilize them, arrest their neurological and mental development, and deprive them of the ability as adults to experience an orgasm.

I didn’t know the latter until I read the account by two leading transgender surgeons in medical treatment of children with gender dysphoria on Bari Weiss’s substack. These doctors are not marginal to the field. They are: “Dr. Marci Bowers, a world-renowned vaginoplasty specialist who operated on reality-television star Jazz Jennings; and Erica Anderson, a clinical psychologist at the University of California San Francisco’s Child and Adolescent Gender Clinic.”

They explain that when you halt puberty in a natal boy with a penis, and then switch the kid to female hormones, the genitals remain like a child’s, never develop the sensitivity of adolescence and there is therefore not enough penile material to invert into a created vagina. Surgeons sometimes have to take parts of the colon to patch it together. 

https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/dave-chappelle-is-right-isnt-he-b23

[Queenmandy85]

Argus, I have the impression you are just concerned about transsexuals. Does this mean you are okay with cross dressers, drag Kings and drag queens? Is you concern confined to m2f or do you also have concerns with f2m?

I agree with you that minors are too young to go through SRS or even begin transitioning, but I was under the impression you can't begin the process of evaluation until you reach the age of majority. 

The idea that the need to transition is taken lightly by the person is preposterous. Besides the beatings and ostracism, there is the loss of family connections, unless the parents and siblings are on board. 

While gender dysphoria has nothing to do with homosexuality, the results of coming out are usually brutal. However, the result of not coming out does result in suicide too often.

[ironstone]

More  transgender insanity, this from the UK.

Women prisoners who misgender transgender inmates may face punishment: UK justice minister | The Post Millennial

 

[Michael Hardner]

18 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

1. Argus, I have the impression you are just concerned about transsexuals.  

2. I agree with you that minors are too young to go through SRS or even begin transitioning, but I was under the impression you can't begin the process of evaluation until you reach the age of majority. 

 

1. I want to point out that the title of the thread has been made obsolete, since we are now engaging in a dialogue about what is ok and not ok with regards to the transition process.

2. Argus is quoting a trans doctor, Dr. Marci Bowers as an expert it seems.  And he's right - Bowers and Dr. Erica Anderson, having gone through the process themselves, point out that such decisions are serious.  That doesn't stop people in the LGBTQ movement from misunderstanding them, and attacking their advocates (eg. Dan Savage) for being transphobic.

I guess that means there IS a non-insane trans movement.  Myself, I believe in freedom.

[Argus]

On 10/11/2021 at 12:44 PM, Queenmandy85 said:

Argus, I have the impression you are just concerned about transsexuals. Does this mean you are okay with cross dressers, drag Kings and drag queens? Is you concern confined to m2f or do you also have concerns with f2m?

My concern is primarily with children whose oh-so-fashionable idiot parents seize on momentary thoughts by the child that they might be the other gender and rather than dismiss it start encouraging it. The great majority of boys who act more feminine and girls who act masculine turn out to be gay, not transgender. Gender dysphoria is a rare thing.

My concern is also with women who see their private places intruded upon by perverts and wackos who are either pretending to be women or are just mentally ill. I'm willing to bet that 99.8% of people who are legitimately experiencing gender dysphoria wouldn't dream of going into a shower or locker room of the opposite sex and taking their clothes off. Not unless they've been surgically altered. This kind of thing is being pushed by frenzied progressive activists who see it as a political/ideological struggle and are basically sociopaths with no human empathy. Idiotic liberal/left governments eager to demonstrate how progressive they are have gone along with the activists with no thought whatever to consequences.

Edited October 13, 2021 by Argus

[Nationalist]

Transgenderism isn't new.

What's new is the attempt to normalize it. There is nothing normal about transgenderism.!

Those who are surprised or offended by people who feel threatened and/or uncomfortable with transgenderism, are frankly simpletons. 

[H B Lowrey]

On 12/2/2018 at 5:40 PM, Argus said:

The transgender movement has moved with lightning speed amid ferocious hostility towards anyone who stands in its path. It increasingly demands more accommodation, largely at the expense of women, demands men who are 100% physically and biologically male, and have no medical or psychological evidence to the contrary, be considered 100% female. No proof is needed or necessary, and anyone who suggests that such 'women' not be allowed into womens changing rooms, bathrooms, or showers, is merely a hatemonger and bigot who needs to be relentlessly attacked.

In days of old, when you could say "Men are not women" and not be accused of hate speech and bigotry.

https://heavy.com/news/2018/11/meghan-murphy/

When women got to compete against each other in sports, and didn't have to compete against men who simply claimed they were women.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/transgender-woman-track-cycling-1.4863381

When no one ever gave a thought to the idea that male rapists should be sent to womens prisons.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6169813/Rapist-Karen-Whites-ex-girlfriend-says-gender-change-sham.html

 

No one needs your accommodation, and if your maleness is threatened by what others do or "believe in", you're so beta already, that you may be bi.  Jussayin'.

[H B Lowrey]

On 10/11/2021 at 12:44 PM, Queenmandy85 said:

Argus, I have the impression you are just concerned about transsexuals. Does this mean you are okay with cross dressers, drag Kings and drag queens? Is you concern confined to m2f or do you also have concerns with f2m?

I agree with you that minors are too young to go through SRS or even begin transitioning, but I was under the impression you can't begin the process of evaluation until you reach the age of majority. 

The idea that the need to transition is taken lightly by the person is preposterous. Besides the beatings and ostracism, there is the loss of family connections, unless the parents and siblings are on board. 

While has nothing to do with homosexuality, the results of coming out are usually brutal. However, the result of not coming out does result in suicide too often.

If he feels threatened by trans folk is that not also gender dysphoria?

[Nationalist]

On 1/19/2022 at 11:51 PM, H B Lowrey said:

If he feels threatened by trans folk is that not also gender dysphoria?

No actually...it's perfectly normal. People will naturally shun that which is abnormal. 

[Great American]

On 12/2/2018 at 5:40 PM, Argus said:

The transgender movement has moved with lightning speed amid ferocious hostility towards anyone who stands in its path. It increasingly demands more accommodation, largely at the expense of women, demands men who are 100% physically and biologically male, and have no medical or psychological evidence to the contrary, be considered 100% female. No proof is needed or necessary, and anyone who suggests that such 'women' not be allowed into womens changing rooms, bathrooms, or showers, is merely a hatemonger and bigot who needs to be relentlessly attacked.

In days of old, when you could say "Men are not women" and not be accused of hate speech and bigotry.

https://heavy.com/news/2018/11/meghan-murphy/

When women got to compete against each other in sports, and didn't have to compete against men who simply claimed they were women.

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/transgender-woman-track-cycling-1.4863381

When no one ever gave a thought to the idea that male rapists should be sent to womens prisons.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6169813/Rapist-Karen-Whites-ex-girlfriend-says-gender-change-sham.html

 

 

When policies seem so insane that you cannot figure out how anyone can possibly believe in them, remember this:

The failure of worldwide Communism has been attributed by its followers to the inability of Marxists to destroy they family and religion, the two bulwarks of truth that people held on to.  Todays America Marxists, and I assume Canadian ones too, have learned their lesson, and they are methodically tearing those groups down with these sorts of things, and targeting children especially. Transgenderism and homosexuality achieve a 2 for 1, drawing people away from Christianity AND normal family.

[Great American]

The future of civilization is smart kids like this, on this subject:

 

[Zeitgeist]

Hopefully we see strong leadership like this soon in Canada (won’t happen under Trudeau):

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/suella-braverman-says-schools-that-teach-children-about-changing-gender-could-face-ofsted-sanctions-06tcvjkhz

[Nationalist]

IMO...the Tweenkies are completely hateful toward the USA and Western Civilization. They take simple terms...like "gender" and warp them to unrecognizable forms in order to confuse and confound. That makes it much easier for these hate-filled souls to argue their point.

In this specific case...gender...for like EVER, we understood gender = the identified sex of a given person. Does the person have a penis or a vagina? A VERY simple and straight forward question.

Now...your typical Tweenkie will argue that "gender" is identified ONLY by how a given person "feels" about his or her obvious gender/sex. THIS IS A LIE!!! It should be treated as such and ridiculed as such.

This "tool" of gender, is just another way for these insufferably hateful Tweenkies to tear down Western Civilization.

DO NOT ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN!!!

[dialamah]

11 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Does the person have a penis or a vagina? A VERY simple and straight forward question.

Some people are born without recognizable genitalia, or with genitalia that doesn't match what's inside.  How are you going to gender them? 

Or how about a child born with female genitalia, but at puberty hormones cause their voice to deepen and facial hair to grow.  Or a child with a penis who hits puberty and grows breasts and has menstrual cramps?  How do you gender them?

It's not so simple as you think.

Edited August 25, 2022 by dialamah

[dialamah]

11 hours ago, Nationalist said:

This "tool" of gender, is just another way for these insufferably hateful Tweenkies to tear down Western Civilization.

Ridiculous hyperbole.  

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, dialamah said:

Some people are born without recognizable genitalia, or with genitalia that doesn't match what's inside.  How are you going to gender them? 

Or how about a child born with female genitalia, but at puberty hormones cause their voice to deepen and facial hair to grow.  Or a child with a penis who hits puberty and grows breasts and has menstrual cramps?  How do you gender them?

It's not so simple as you think.

How often do these genetic short circuits happen? I'd wager less than 1%, but don't know for sure. 

Do you figure we should warp the definition of "gender" for a tiny percent of unfortunate people?

[Michael Hardner]

8 hours ago, dialamah said:

Ridiculous hyperbole.  

Not to mention that the poster has to invent some vague new insult that means nothing.

No, the new politics is about name calling and fake fights... Like pro wrestling...

[Nationalist]

8 hours ago, dialamah said:

Ridiculous hyperbole.  

Oh really? Have you been paying attention? They even claim to want to "build back better". "The new normal". Etc...

[Nationalist]

4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Not to mention that the poster has to invent some vague new insult that means nothing.

No, the new politics is about name calling and fake fights... Like pro wrestling...

And for being a mole. Claiming to be conservative while advocating for all things liberal.

You claim to detest this war of ideology,  yet you stoke it at every opportunity. 

[Michael Hardner]

10 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

You claim to detest this war of ideology,  yet you stoke it at every opportunity. 

I like to point out how it's a distraction, and how the new populists such as yourself are bereft of substance and cannot tie culture wars back to anything meaningful.