A Liberal Cabinet Minister gets Metoo'd

[Boges]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/trudeau-says-he-will-speak-to-kent-hehr-about-sexual-misconduct-allegations-1.3775362

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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he will speak to Minister of Sport and Persons with Disabilities Kent Hehr about allegations that Hehr made “sexually suggestive” comments to women during his time at the Alberta legislature.

During a news conference at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland on Thursday, Trudeau was asked about allegations made against Hehr on social media.

Trudeau responded by saying that it’s “really important to believe and support any woman who comes forward with allegations of sexual harassment or sexual assault and that’s exactly what, my government and myself, we do.”

 

On a day where Patrick Brown got turfed from Leadership of the Ontario Liberals within a matter of hours, will this dude still be in the Liberal Caucus by the end of the day? 

JT would be a hypocrite if he didn't right? 

Edited January 25, 2018 by Boges

[?Impact]

Trudeau wasted no time in dealing with Scott Andrews and Massimo Pacetti, so I wouldn't expect anything different here.

[dialamah]

Women will soon have to take over at the rate the men are falling.  Who knew there were so many nasty guys in the world?

[taxme]

5 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Women will soon have to take over at the rate the men are falling.  Who knew there were so many nasty guys in the world?

Just guys being guys. It's in most men's nature to want to get their hands on a female. Men can't help that because god set things up that way and that is what is making men do or sometimes say nasty things to women. Most sex jokes are done only in jest. The problem today is that those jokes can now lead to sexual harassment. Today women are now being pretty much allowed to make a man's life miserable, and pretty much get away with it. Who knows that maybe one day soon just looking at a women can get the poor batard in trouble. It will and can be abused by women. Hey, you never know, eh? It is getting pretty dangerous for men out there. 

Gawd help all the men in the world if the women takeover. Wife to hubby: Be home by eleven and finish doing the laundry or else you will be grounded and won't be allowed to go bowling with the guys for two weeks. 

[Guest]

2 hours ago, dialamah said:

Women will soon have to take over at the rate the men are falling.  Who knew there were so many nasty guys in the world?

I think that would be great.  Margaret Thatcher gave me a raise once. 

Of course, she also took away my milk when I was kid, but on balance, the raise wins.

[Argus]

3 hours ago, dialamah said:

Women will soon have to take over at the rate the men are falling.  Who knew there were so many nasty guys in the world?

And when do we start looking into the sexual history of women? What's in Kathleen Wynne's closet from when she was in her twenties and thirties?

[bush_cheney2004]

For men...it is "sexual harassment".

For women...it is just "harmless flirting".

[dialamah]

55 minutes ago, Argus said:

And when do we start looking into the sexual history of women? What's in Kathleen Wynne's closet from when she was in her twenties and thirties?

Any time, I suppose.  Perhaps you have some scandal with her to share?

[Argus]

14 minutes ago, dialamah said:

Any time, I suppose.  Perhaps you have some scandal with her to share?

Scandal? What exactly is it this guy did? All I can discern from the reports I've seen is he made what I guess he considered flattering compliments to women ten years ago, or at least A woman, who says he did it often. The only one she mentioned was "you're yummy", said in an elevator. Is that really  enough to destroy a guy's career ten years later?

[dialamah]

35 minutes ago, Argus said:

Scandal? What exactly is it this guy did? All I can discern from the reports I've seen is he made what I guess he considered flattering compliments to women ten years ago, or at least A woman, who says he did it often. The only one she mentioned was "you're yummy", said in an elevator. Is that really  enough to destroy a guy's career ten years later?

Are you saying Wynne has never flattered you poorly in an elevator so you have no scandal?

[Argus]

2 hours ago, dialamah said:

Are you saying Wynne has never flattered you poorly in an elevator so you have no scandal?

I don't know what young girls Wynne was coming onto ten or twenty years ago. Be kinda neat to find out, though. Wonder if any of them were unhappy with that.

[OftenWrong]

Sure men do make advances on women, because they are sexually attracted to them. A man might test her willingness by making suggestive or even lewd comments. I think that's just normal, and if the woman indicates that this attention is not welcome, the man should immediately cease. At that point I do not see any harm done.

My point is we need to balance our reaction to these stories in the context of actual harm, if any. The mere act of making sexual advances should not be seen as deserving punishment.

[PIK]

19 hours ago, Argus said:

And when do we start looking into the sexual history of women? What's in Kathleen Wynne's closet from when she was in her twenties and thirties?

It's coming.

[eyeball]

22 hours ago, dialamah said:

Women will soon have to take over at the rate the men are falling.  Who knew there were so many nasty guys in the world?

We've known forever that too much power in anyone's hands can all too often be a dangerous thing.  Even if women did take over what reason would we have to believe the nastier dynamics of power wouldn't essentially remain the same?   I've often compared the abusive relationships between powerful and powerless countries as being as similarly damaging if not much worse than the sexual abuse powerful people inflict on the powerless and I wish the MeToo movement would focus more on the abuse of power in general than just the sexual abuse.

I can't help but feel that the tone of the times really underscores my oft-repeated contention that redistributing wealth is nothing compared to the need to redistribute power more evenly throughout society.  Do that and wealth would probably just redistribute itself without much effort..     

[dialamah]

26 minutes ago, eyeball said:

We've known forever that too much power in anyone's hands can all too often be a dangerous thing.  Even if women did take over what reason would we have to believe the nastier dynamics of power wouldn't essentially remain the same?   I've often compared the abusive relationships between powerful and powerless countries as being as similarly damaging if not much worse than the sexual abuse powerful people inflict on the powerless and I wish the MeToo movement would focus more on the abuse of power in general than just the sexual abuse.

I can't help but feel that the tone of the times really underscores my oft-repeated contention that redistributing wealth is nothing compared to the need to redistribute power more evenly throughout society.  Do that and wealth would probably just redistribute itself without much effort..     

I agree; there is no real evidence that women behave any differently than men when in power.  Perhaps we do need a few accusations of women who abused their positions to encourage discussions about power imbalances rather than women vs. men.

[PIK]

19 hours ago, Argus said:

Scandal? What exactly is it this guy did? All I can discern from the reports I've seen is he made what I guess he considered flattering compliments to women ten years ago, or at least A woman, who says he did it often. The only one she mentioned was "you're yummy", said in an elevator. Is that really  enough to destroy a guy's career ten years later?

He should have been canned a while back, but not for this.

[PIK]

36 minutes ago, dialamah said:

I agree; there is no real evidence that women behave any differently than men when in power.  Perhaps we do need a few accusations of women who abused their positions to encourage discussions about power imbalances rather than women vs. men.

Men will never admit to that. I known men who were abused by thier wives and would never say a thing. I hope one does .

[dialamah]

8 minutes ago, PIK said:

Men will never admit to that. I known men who were abused by thier wives and would never say a thing. I hope one does .

Yes.  Its a shame that societal attitudes hinder both men and women from speaking up.  I do hope men who have been abused by women do start speaking up.  They'll likely have to go through a similar trial by fire that women have endured, but I for one would like to get to a place where nobody felt they couldn't speak up.

[Argus]

If we really want to get huffy about things, what do we say about a boss who routinely hugs and kisses women who work for him or with him?

I am referring, of course, to one Justin Trudeau.

 

[capricorn]

39 minutes ago, Argus said:

If we really want to get huffy about things, what do we say about a boss who routinely hugs and kisses women who work for him or with him?

I am referring, of course, to one Justin Trudeau.

 

[capricorn]

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The tally is in. As Prime Minister Justin Trudeau welcomed aboard each new minister of his cabinet, he shared 22 hugs and 32 kisses. The longest hug—clocking in at nine seconds—was with Kirsty Duncan, minister of science, while the runner-ups were seven seconds long with Bill Morneau, the new minister of finance, and Maryam Monsef, the minister of democratic institutions.

The tightest squeeze went to Chrystia Freeland, the minister of international trade, while the quickest canoodles—lasting just two or three seconds—were with Scott Brison, president of the Treasury Board, and Mélanie Joly, the minister of Canadian heritage. The nine ministers who didn’t hug the new Prime Minister got back pats, cheek kisses or shoulder holds, but they still missed out. As Trudeau said to Freeland during the ceremony, “I’m a good hugger.”

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/from-hugs-to-claps-heres-justin-trudeaus-swearing-in-by-the-numbers/

[AngusThermopyle]

47 minutes ago, capricorn said:

http://www.macleans.ca/politics/ottawa/from-hugs-to-claps-heres-justin-trudeaus-swearing-in-by-the-numbers/

And that is why many people have now started calling him PM Touchy Feely.

[Argus]

1 hour ago, AngusThermopyle said:

And that is why many people have now started calling him PM Touchy Feely.

Well if he was an employee of the federal government people would be calling him a harasser. 

[dialamah]

The fact that so many men here can't tell the difference between enthusiastic participation and unwanted advances is an indication of why so many men are being felled for being clumsy oafs and offending women they hope to woo. 

Now that we've had the enthusiastic participation pic, here's one of the opposite.  Pay attention, boys, this info could save your job some day.

Edited January 27, 2018 by dialamah

[Guest]

17 minutes ago, dialamah said:

The fact that so many men here can't tell the difference between enthusiastic participation and unwanted advances is an indication of why so many men are being felled for being clumsy oafs and offending women they hope to woo. 

Now that we've had the enthusiastic participation pic, here's one of the opposite.  Pay attention, boys, this info could save your job some day.

 

I think everyone can.  It's probably just that unwanted advances aren't unwanted until they are advanced.  I think that, as long as they are not repeated, then there should be no issue.  No-one has a right not to be offended.

Edit>  Sometimes, of course, if one is not inclined to be a hugger, one could just put up with it to be nice.  I know all about that!

Edited January 27, 2018 by bcsapper