Democracy is big nonsense

[Omni]

55 minutes ago, Altai said:

"Democracy is the worst form of government, except all the others."  British vampir Churchil

Living in a dictatorship I can see why you would appreciate the thought.

[Goddess]

Churchill was a vampire??!!?? 

[hot enough]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

Churchill was a vampire??!!?? 

You are a university graduate??!!??

Yes, just one of many bloodthirsty UK leaders.

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The trial of Churchill:

Churchill was a genocidal maniac. He is fawned over in Britain and held up as a hero of the nation. He was voted ‘Greatest Briton’ of all time. Below is the real history of Churchill, the history of a white supremacist whose hatred for Indians led to four million starving to death, the man who loathed Irish people so much he conceived different ways to terrorise them, the racist thug who waged war on black people across Africa and in Britain. This is the trial of Winston Churchill, the enemy of all humanity.

THE TRIAL OF WINSTON CHURCHILL:

Afghanistan:

Churchill found his love for war during the time he spent in Afghanistan. While there he said “all who resist will be killed without quarter” because the Pashtuns need “recognise the superiority of race”. He believed the Pashtuns needed to be dealt with, he would reminisce in his writings about how he partook in the burning villages and peoples homes:

“We proceeded systematically, village by village, and we destroyed the houses, filled up the wells, blew down the towers, cut down the great shady trees, burned the crops and broke the reservoirs in punitive devastation.” – Churchill on how the British carried on in Afghanistan, and he was only too happy to be part of it.

Churchill would also write of how “every tribesman caught was speared or cut down at once”. Proud of the terror he helped inflict on the people of Afghanistan Churchill was well on the road to becoming a genocidal maniac.

Greece:

The British Army under the guidance of Churchill perpetrated a massacre on the streets of Athens in the month of December 1944. 28 protesters were shot dead, a further 128 injured. The British demanded that all guerrilla groups should disarm on the 2nd December 1944. The following day 200,000 people took to the streets, and this is when the British Army under Churchill’s orders turned their guns on the people. Churchill regarded ELAS (Greek People’s Liberation Army) and EAM (National Liberation Front) as “miserable banditti”, these were the very people who ran the Nazis out. His actions in the month of December were purely out of his hatred and paranoia for communism.

The British backed the right-wing government in Greece returned from exile after the very same partisans of the resistance that Churchill ordered the murder of had driven out the Nazi occupiers. Soviet forces were well received in Greece, this deeply worried Churchill. He planned to restore the monarchy in Greece to combat any possible communist influence. The events in December were part of that strategy.

In 1945, Churchill sent Charles Wickham to Athens where he was in charge of training the Greek security police. Wickham learned his tricks of the trade in British occupied Ireland between 1922-1945 where he was a commander of the colonial RUC, responsible for countless terror.

In April 1945 Churchill said “the [Nazi] collaborators in Greece in many cases did the best they could to shelter the Greek population from German oppression” and went on to say “the Communists are the main foe”.

https://crimesofbritain.com/2016/09/13/the-trial-of-winston-churchill/

I'll let you read the remainder, Goddess, and discuss it all.

[hot enough]

4 hours ago, Omni said:

Living in a dictatorship I can see why you would appreciate the thought.

More stunning hypocrisy from Omni, a guy who supports those who install and support murderous dictatorships around the globe, have been doing so for over a century, all the while pretending they are a force for good. Can you guess who that might be?

[Omni]

2 minutes ago, hot enough said:

More stunning hypocrisy from Omni, a guy who supports those who install and support murderous dictatorships around the globe, have been doing so for over a century, all the while pretending they are a force for good. Can you guess who that might be?

I may be getting up there but I'm still a ways from a hundred.

[hot enough]

You guys have memorized all the right propagandist quotes but you know very little about what these western nations have really been. Genocides galore from all of them, the rankest of propaganda that has all you democratic believers mesmerized into this delusional state where you think you are something special, something good. 

"The general public are viewed as no more than ignorant and meddlesome outsiders, a bewildered herd. And it's the responsible men who have to make decisions and to protect society from the trampling and rage of the bewildered herd. Now since it's a democracy they - the herd, that is - are permitted occasionally to lend their weight to one or another member of the responsible class. That's called an election." - Noam Chomsky

[Altai]

LoL @hot_enough destroys the troll army as usual 

[betsy]

On 8/8/2017 at 2:27 PM, Altai said:

I dont know, maybe a software. So we could write a software and distribute it to every citizens to prevent any kind of abuse and distortion. We can update it from time to time. There will still be government and officials but they will just apply the duties given by the software.

Any other ideas ?

 

How do you know whoever is in control of writing the software, wouldn't abuse and give disinformation?  Who is, "we?"

What's the difference between the software, and the written duties we have  now that ELECTED government has to follow/apply?

I have to emphasize elected, since you're talking about democracy.

Edited August 11, 2017 by betsy

[hot enough]

7 hours ago, betsy said:

 

How do you know whoever is in control of writing the software, wouldn't abuse and give disinformation?  Who is, "we?"

What's the difference between the software, and the written duties we have  now that ELECTED government has to follow/apply?

I have to emphasize elected, since you're talking about democracy.

Do you remember Diebold, Betsy? 

What do you emphasize elected like it is some holy grail, something handed down from dog almighty? Political parties pick the candidates that you sheeple think you elect. 

[Altai]

I dont know I said a software because human beings are prone to abuse their positions or we can make wrong decisions under influence of our emotions. Another thing, even if everyone defends democracy, they will find excuses not to recognize democratic results when it does not fit with their interests. For example Clinton supporters will claim Russia was involved in the elections, someone else will claim Trump is abusing his position and violating laws. Democracy is nonsense. A software may be a solution and this software will be distributed to every citizens, therefore noone can claim that software was intervened or changed. A software can make decisions or at least can offer various ways for a political move. 

[Rue]

On ‎2017‎-‎08‎-‎10 at 3:37 PM, Altai said:

LoL @hot_enough destroys the troll army as usual 

Good Gawd are you in love?  Please no children.

 

[Rue]

44 minutes ago, Altai said:

I dont know I said a software because human beings are prone to abuse their positions or we can make wrong decisions under influence of our emotions. Another thing, even if everyone defends democracy, they will find excuses not to recognize democratic results when it does not fit with their interests. For example Clinton supporters will claim Russia was involved in the elections, someone else will claim Trump is abusing his position and violating laws. Democracy is nonsense. A software may be a solution and this software will be distributed to every citizens, therefore noone can claim that software was intervened or changed. A software can make decisions or at least can offer various ways for a political move. 

The premises of your thread and your responses make no rational sense. You came on another thread making disparaging remarks about Canada giving armoured vehicles to Saudi Arabia presumably because its a dictatorship when you live in one, now you use this thread to support non democratic systems of government.

If you don' believe in democracy good for you. Embrace totalitarian Muslim fascist governments.but have the integrity to state what it is you stand for. You don't. Its easy to say what you disagree with. What you can't do is state what you have to offer instead of democracy which is why you made the doltish comment about soft ware.

You and  Omar, a.k.a. Hot Enough, need to run along now so we democratic fools can work to pay our taxes..

Edited August 11, 2017 by Rue

[Goddess]

13 minutes ago, Rue said:

Embrace totalitarian Muslim fascist governments.but have the integrity to state what it is you stand for. You don't.

Doing that would give away the agenda too easily. 

Edited August 11, 2017 by Goddess

[betsy]

1 hour ago, Altai said:

I dont know I said a software because human beings are prone to abuse their positions or we can make wrong decisions under influence of our emotions. Another thing, even if everyone defends democracy, they will find excuses not to recognize democratic results when it does not fit with their interests. For example Clinton supporters will claim Russia was involved in the elections, someone else will claim Trump is abusing his position and violating laws. Democracy is nonsense. A software may be a solution and this software will be distributed to every citizens, therefore noone can claim that software was intervened or changed. A software can make decisions or at least can offer various ways for a political move. 

Well........losers react when they don't get what they want.     I didn't claim anything about reactions.  At least, there is an inquiry or investigation going on in the USA  when someone cries foul. 

Unlike in some places we know - anyone who criticize, disappear.  They're carried off to jail.....or secretly executed.  We only learn of these when someone stumbles on mass graves!

 

 

 

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Mass graves found across Iraq

 

A mass grave outside Baghdad which may contain the remains of up to 15,000 bodies provides justification for the war in Iraq, Saddam Hussein's former head of protocol said today.

Haitham Rashid Wihaib said he believed the grisly discoveries at al-Mahawil, where so far more than 3,000 human remains have been uncovered, was a "crime against humanity".

 

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-180704/Mass-graves-Iraq.html#ixzz4pU3hBpO6
 

 

 

 

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Thousands of bodies found in 72 mass graves as images reveal the shocking scale of ISIS’s industrial-scale murder

Satellite photos show the spot where more than 600 male prisoners were lined up and then gunned down in northern Iraq

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/1695297/thousands-of-bodies-found-in-72-mass-graves-as-images-reveal-the-shocking-scale-of-isiss-industrial-scale-murder/

 

 

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Syria: mass grave found in Dera'a

Syria's brutal crackdown against pro-democracy protests took a chilling turn on Monday with the discovery of a mass grave in Dera'a, the town at the heart of two-month-long protests, an activist said.

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/8516958/Syria-mass-grave-found-in-Deraa.html

 

 

In some places, they think nothing of committing outright genocide!

 

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Mass grave of Armenians found in Turkey

https://news.am/eng/news/196977.html

 

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Sweden to Investigate Finding of Assyrian Mass Graves in Turkey

 

It was on October 17 this year that villagers from Xirabebaba (Kuru) in south eastern Turkey came across a mass grave when digging a grave for one of their deceased. The villagers took pictures of the skulls and bones in the mass grave before Turkish military came and blocked the site. The villagers were certain that they had found remains of victims of the 1915 genocide. The military personnel forbade the villagers to tell anyone about the site and then closed it. Some of the villagers chose not to follow the orders of the military and told the story to a local newspaper who followed up on the story. As soon as the military learned that someone has leaked this information to the press, they pressed the villagers to give the names of those responsible for this. Since then journalists trying to get near the mass grave have been denied access by the military.

Turkey still denies that its Christian population of Assyrians (also called Chaldeans and Syriacs), Greeks and Armenians were subjected to genocides. That could explain why the Turkish state and most of the Turkish media has remained silent about the finding.

 

http://www.aina.org/news/20061128104356.htm

 

Edited August 11, 2017 by betsy

[hot enough]

52 minutes ago, betsy said:

Thousands of bodies found in 72 mass graves as images reveal the shocking scale of ISIS’s industrial-scale murder

Satellite photos show the spot where more than 600 male prisoners were lined up and then gunned down in northern Iraq

Nice high drama touch, Betsy the Queen of drama. 

The USA/UK own these crimes having committed the ultimate war crimes, the invasion of a sovereign nation. 

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A war of aggression, sometimes also war of conquest, is a military conflict waged without the justification of self-defense, usually for territorial gain and subjugation. 

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In the judgment of the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, which followed World War II, "War is essentially an evil thing. Its consequences are not confined to the belligerent states alone, but affect the whole world. To initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_of_aggression

Those that commit the initial supreme crime bear full responsibility for ALL the crimes that flow from that. And this only makes perfect sense for the US/UK, acting on their own self-generated lies, have caused millions of unnecessary murders, first their own, then all those that have followed in the total mess these war criminals have made. 

[betsy]

12 hours ago, hot enough said:

 

Those that commit the initial supreme crime bear full responsibility for ALL the crimes that flow from that.

Yeah.  It starts with the dictators who are slaughtering their own people - which usually necessitate for international intervention.

 

because.......

"War is essentially an evil thing. Its consequences are not confined to the belligerent states alone, but affect the whole world.

 

.......a despot who wages war on his own helpless people - is an evil thing.  It affects the whole world when these people try to escape their own country and seek asylum in others! 

Since no country can ever accomodate accepting everyone from war-torn countries - the only solution is to eliminate the root of the problem: the dictator.

Eliminate the cause.  That's a simple, practical  equation.  It's for the good of all! 

Why would you let a rabid dog bring grief to everyone? 

 

Edited August 12, 2017 by betsy

[sharkman]

Churchill, a vampire?  The internet is allowing sadly obsessed and deluded sick people to spread complete nonsense, and network with other obsessed sick people.  I can only hope that one day the internet will have restricted access with a simple test built into all access points/software.  Seriously.

[Guest]

15 minutes ago, sharkman said:

Churchill, a vampire?  The internet is allowing sadly obsessed and deluded sick people to spread complete nonsense, and network with other obsessed sick people.  I can only hope that one day the internet will have restricted access with a simple test built into all access points/software.  Seriously.

That is both the blessing and the curse of the www.  We used to be relatively unaware of the loonies that walk among us.  That was probably a good thing, on balance, but they do provide some lighter moments every now and then. 

[dialamah]

1 hour ago, sharkman said:

  I can only hope that one day the internet will have restricted access with a simple test built into all access points/software.  Seriously.

What a great way to censor anything the power holders want.

[JamesHackerMP]

I wonder, hotenough, if the US would ever be able to do anything positive in your eyes---even if it actually did. 

Democracy, at any rate, back to the original subject, getting away from America-bashing:

The flaw in democracy is that it gives the People what they desire, but what they want at the moment isn't necessarily what's best as far as the People's long-term interests.  And the People are fickle.  A direct democracy would get out of control, that's why we have republics (or crowned republics/constitutional monarchies with representative government, like Canada).  The leaders need a little leeway to make decisions, sometimes independent of the wilder winds of public debate, believe it or not.  It's a flawed system, but it's really the only thing that's better than dictatorship/despotism/whatever you want to call the nastier forms of government.

[Boges]

On 8 August, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Altai said:

I dont know, maybe a software. So we could write a software and distribute it to every citizens to prevent any kind of abuse and distortion. We can update it from time to time. There will still be government and officials but they will just apply the duties given by the software.

Any other ideas ?

Who writes the code for the software? Do we elect those people? 

Ever seen Terminator. That's just one step towards Skynet. 

Edited October 2, 2017 by Boges

[peoples advocate]

On ‎2017‎-‎08‎-‎08 at 8:43 AM, Altai said:

Democracy is a big nonsense because having more votes does not make something right. When we have the same informations, we all will end up with the same logical results. In some aspects of life, for example in politics, there are soo much information and therefore people in general does not bother themselves to reach in deep information and they simply choose the informations which fits with their personal ego to build their perspective. This topic is directly related with my another topic "There is nothing to discuss". 

We dont make true or false decides. We are just realizing or missing the logic. Logic is always there, even if we miss or reject to recognize it when it does not fit with our personal interests/ego.

 The Idea of a true democracy is a good one but sadly will never be achieved and one reason why is people that get elected really don't care about the people that have elected them , we have seen this over and over every election. They steal , Lie, cheat and ignore election promises they build up their own egos and nothing more.

To find true democracy you will spend eternity looking.

[blackbird]

On 8/9/2017 at 12:33 AM, Altai said:

When you elect officials, you are allowing them to rule country as they wish. So this is a half-dictatorship. Another important point is all of the candidates are the puppets of some behind-the-scenes powers. Money barons...weapon companies....army....media....anyone who has the power in a way. So while you are electing someone in Canada, you are actually making a decision between people predetermined by the "Queen". This is a complate dictatorship. In US people are making a deicision between people predetermined by army and money barons. This is a complate dictatorship... Recent example is France, they had two candidates and both were trained by money barons and people chose one of them. Complate dictatorship. The same thing goes for all the other countries in the World, all their presidents and officials are predetermined by US or Britain. If these countries lose the control, they start to attack these govts which they cant control even if these govts are democratically elected, like as Venezuela and my country Turkiye. 


So in current systems, we are always ruled by half-dictatorships or complate dictatorships. We are just given "democracy" lollipop in our mouth to shut up. 


We are always having disagreements because at least one side rejects to recognize information and logic based on the information. A simple example, we all know that alcoholic beverages are harmful, does not matter take a sip or drink whole bottle. Some people will claim that its their choice even if its harmful and they will simply ignore another information that it will harm whole public order in long term. In this case we need to ban alcoholic beverages. Information and logic bring us to this result but there will be millions even billions will oppose it just because of they like to drink it, so democracy  will probably bring us to a wrong ciThsion. 

So how does the Queen choose the Prime Minister or members of parliament in Canada?    The people elect the government in Canada every four years.  Democracy is far from perfect, but as Churchill said there is no better system.  What is the alternative?  The only alternative is a dictatorship.  Then you have one person who dictates everything to the whole country and makes all the laws.  This has been the case in many countries throughout history.  Sometimes it turns out very bad for the people.  

Many of us disagree with the Prime Minister but we will have a chance to change the government in two years by elections.  In the meantime, anyone who disagrees with the government is free to speak against what they are doing or write to government or newspapers to complain.  But anyone is wise to obey the leaders in all the laws and avoid any problems.  This is what the Bible says.  Obey those in power.

The U.S. banned alcoholic beverages around 100 years ago but it didn't work well.  I think it was called prohibition.  There was a huge black market and it was sold illegally.  The government had to give up.

 

Edited October 25, 2017 by blackbird

[Altai]

15 hours ago, blackbird said:

So how does the Queen choose the Prime Minister or members of parliament in Canada?    The people elect the government in Canada every four years.  Democracy is far from perfect, but as Churchill said there is no better system.  What is the alternative?  The only alternative is a dictatorship.  Then you have one person who dictates everything to the whole country and makes all the laws.  This has been the case in many countries throughout history.  Sometimes it turns out very bad for the people.  

Many of us disagree with the Prime Minister but we will have a chance to change the government in two years by elections.  In the meantime, anyone who disagrees with the government is free to speak against what they are doing or write to government or newspapers to complain.  But anyone is wise to obey the leaders in all the laws and avoid any problems.  This is what the Bible says.  Obey those in power.

The U.S. banned alcoholic beverages around 100 years ago but it didn't work well.  I think it was called prohibition.  There was a huge black market and it was sold illegally.  The government had to give up.

 

Please read my old post, I cant write the same things over and over again for each new person saying the same things, sorry.

[blackbird]

On 8/8/2017 at 7:43 AM, Altai said:

Democracy is a big nonsense because having more votes does not make something right. When we have the same informations, we all will end up with the same logical results. In some aspects of life, for example in politics, there are soo much information and therefore people in general does not bother themselves to reach in deep information and they simply choose the informations which fits with their personal ego to build their perspective. This topic is directly related with my another topic "There is nothing to discuss". 

We dont make true or false decides. We are just realizing or missing the logic. Logic is always there, even if we miss or reject to recognize it when it does not fit with our personal interests/ego.

How is democracy big nonsense?  The people decide who they want to represent them in government.  Who else should decide who will form the government?  Who has the right more than the people to decide?  Democracy is not perfect and they make some bad decisions but nobody has found a fairer system than letting the people choose their leaders.

The Bible says Christians must obey those in authority unless of course they do something which is against God's teaching in the Bible such as killing innocent people as Hitler and the Nazis did.

Edited October 25, 2017 by blackbird