hot enough Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 46 minutes ago, AngusThermopyle said: They've been making a very simple request, just provide a link or even just the number. Yet, simple as the request may be you refuse to answer it. Why is that? Angus blows it big time and then disappears for a number of pages until he figures things have blown over. In post ID#339, you made the fatuous statement that the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan were not illegal invasions, offering as your "proof" the nonsense below. Then you fled, Angus Themopyle, piling onto your little scooter and fleeing. I made a very simple request and you not only refuse to answer it, you ran away. Why is that? Quote Angus Thermopyle: Really, what was this then? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Assistance_Mission_in_Afghanistan 1 Quote
hot enough Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Omni said: See, I told ya. Don't worry, Omni, they are coming. But you, the guy who will never pony up to support any of your fabrications really should not be pointing fingers. Would you agree that western media is one huge propaganda mill? How could you guys not know about these things? A phucking 1/4 century and none of you know. If that was Russia, China, Iran, ... you would never hear the end of it. Edited July 9, 2017 by hot enough Quote
marcus Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 On 7/4/2017 at 11:29 AM, betsy said: Excuse me, but this leaves such a bitter taste in my mouth. Canada had given haven to a family of terrorists - and now, we're paying? Whose fault was it that Omar Khadr ended up in Guantanamo? Whose fault was it that a child was tortured and denied his rights? Are you with or against Canada's charter? Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
hot enough Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 1 hour ago, marcus said: Whose fault was it that a child was tortured and denied his rights? Are you with or against Canada's charter? Betsy is a christian, being christian. Quote
betsy Posted July 9, 2017 Author Report Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) On 7/7/2017 at 3:22 PM, Omni said: There's no way that was going to happen regardless of when the check was written. Yes, it does. The time-line from when the first leaked news that the government was going to settle (and the widow filed her case in Canada practically the same day), to the time the cheque was expeditely given, and promptly cashed - it stinks! Peter McKay voiced that concern over the timing of the pay-out, at one of the news channel. He said that the injunction filed by Speer was pushed back a few days. That he hope the government didn't do it purposefully on "stealth," so as to deprive the widow of Speer. The Liberals protected Khadr! Quote The Trudeau government has quietly paid a $10.5-million settlement to Omar Khadr in a move that circumvents legal efforts by two Americans to prevent him from receiving compensation for abuses he suffered as a teenager at the U.S. military detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. The payout to Mr. Khadr and his legal team was given on Wednesday and cashed immediately, according to a source involved in the transaction. Legal settlements do not fall under taxable income, so Mr. Khadr will not have to pay taxes on the $10.5-million. https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/omar-khadr-settlement-federal-government-guantanamo-bay/article35581403/ For those who quickly raise the gender card - take note that the Liberals deceitfully deprived a widow with two children! Quote According to several published reports, the timeline for paying Khadr off was moved up to make sure that Tabitha Speer could not collect on the judgment she received in a wrongful death suit. We can denounce this deal all we want, but it was cast in stone before we even knew about it. And Trudeau lied about it to our faces. https://www.therebel.media/speerkids_com_help_us_raise_1_million_for_omar_khadr_s_victims Edited July 9, 2017 by betsy Quote
betsy Posted July 9, 2017 Author Report Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) Here is Trudeau's response to criticisms: Quote Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has defended the government’s apology and settlement for Omar Khadr, saying his rights had to be defended. “The Charter of Rights and Freedoms protects all Canadians, every one of us, even when it is uncomfortable,” Mr. Trudeau said at the end of the Group of 20 Summit in Hamburg, Germany. “This is not about the detail of the merits of the Khadr case. When the government violates any Canadian’s charter rights we all end up paying for it.” https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/trudeau-defends-apology-and-105-million-payment-to-omar-khadr/article35623594/ Justin, you did not have to go the extra-mile of ensuring that the real victims do not see a dime! I'm reminded of Biblical passages how leaders are supposed to dispense justice fairly. Oppression against widows (and orphaned children), comes to mind. Anyway.....the money is now gone, and the real victims are victimized again - thanks to the Liberals. Game over. Edited July 9, 2017 by betsy Quote
AngusThermopyle Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 9 hours ago, Omni said: See, I told ya. Wow! This guy is something else! You offer him proof, such as I did with a link to an article about the UN resolution and mission to Afghanistan and he just dismisses it out of hand as irrelevant, even though he asked for it himself. Then when asked repeatedly for something as simple as a number he just refuses to supply it and skirts around it. He has to be the worst that I've ever seen on this forum in all the years I've been a member, and I've seen some real doozy's over the years. You were 100% correct on that call. 2 Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
AngusThermopyle Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 9 hours ago, hot enough said: Angus blows it big time and then disappears for a number of pages until he figures things have blown over. In post ID#339, you made the fatuous statement that the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan were not illegal invasions, offering as your "proof" the nonsense below. Then you fled, Angus Themopyle, piling onto your little scooter and fleeing. I made a very simple request and you not only refuse to answer it, you ran away. Why is that? Grow up will you. What you call running away other normal people call having a life and not being glued in troll mode to a forum. You know,going for a ride, entertaining friends, that sort of thing. The sort of thing you obviously don't have a clue about. As for offering irrelevant garbage, here's a clue Sparky. So far I have not seen one single thing of substance or value offered by you, hypocrite much? 1 Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
AngusThermopyle Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 1 hour ago, betsy said: Here is Trudeau's response to criticisms: https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/trudeau-defends-apology-and-105-million-payment-to-omar-khadr/article35623594/ Justin, you did not have to go the extra-mile of ensuring that the real victims do not see a dime! I'm reminded of Biblical passages how leaders are supposed to dispense justice fairly. Oppression against widows (and orphaned children), comes to mind. Anyway.....the money is now gone, and the real victims are victimized again - thanks to the Liberals. Game over. And that is what puts the stinky topping on this whole stinky deal. The whole thing was done in an underhanded deceitfull way from the go, but this is just discracefull. He made a big mistake here, a stupid mistake and it will cost him. There's already a huge degree of outrage about this but the deliberate circumventing of the rights of the two American parties involved shows him to be malicious and a liar(we already knew he was a liar but this just cements that reputation even more firmly). How any decent person can support the manner in which this was done baffles me. It really does look like he cares more for terrorists than for average normal Western people. 3 Quote I yam what I yam - Popeye
ironstone Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 23 hours ago, jacee said: It appears that Canada did not pick up on his father's AlQuaeda bagman activities at the time he immigrated. That is in no way the fault of his son Omar, who was born in Canada. There seems to be some failure of intelligence or comprehension here that some people here confuse Omar with his father: He was a child doing what his father demanded. No other child soldier in the world has ever been convicted of crimes in war, except Omar Khadr. And that is largely because Canada failed to protect his Charter rights and in fact participated in his illegal ill treatment. And some of Canada's failure can be blamed on public wailing and gnashing of teeth of conservatives with no respect for Charter rights, who want him to pay for his father's crimes. That's disgusting. For the record,Al Qaeda members are instructed to claim they are tortured when captured.At Gitmo most of the detainees gained weight because they were so well fed. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3614553/This-is-al-Qaeda-Rule-18-You-must-claim-you-were-tortured.html Sleep deprivation is more like an inconvenience.Yes,Canada does deserve some blame for the Khadr situation,but that blame should be because we welcomed them here in the first place.This is what we get when there is no real screening process.Kellie Leitch had it right. 2 Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
DogOnPorch Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 Omar claims Trudeau's apology has restored his reputation a bit. I beg to differ you terrorist SOB. 4 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Hal 9000 Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 3 hours ago, betsy said: Yes, it does. The time-line from when the first leaked news that the government was going to settle (and the widow filed her case in Canada practically the same day), to the time the cheque was expeditely given, and promptly cashed - it stinks! Peter McKay voiced that concern over the timing of the pay-out, at one of the news channel. He said that the injunction filed by Speer was pushed back a few days. That he hope the government didn't do it purposefully on "stealth," so as to deprive the widow of Speer. The Liberals protected Khadr! https://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/omar-khadr-settlement-federal-government-guantanamo-bay/article35581403/ For those who quickly raise the gender card - take note that the Liberals deceitfully deprived a widow with two children! https://www.therebel.media/speerkids_com_help_us_raise_1_million_for_omar_khadr_s_victims Liberals, and of course liberals wont play that card. Have a look around, look at Sweden, Germany and anywhere else in the western world, muslim men rate higher to these people than western women - we see it every day. This is no surprise. Where is the outrage from feminists? 1 Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
DogOnPorch Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 Just now, Hal 9000 said: Liberals, and of course liberals wont play that card. Have a look around, look at Sweden, Germany and anywhere else in the western world, muslim men rate higher to these people than western women - we see it every day. This is no surprise. Where is the outrage from feminists? Islam trumps Feminism. See Linda Sarsour for proof. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Hal 9000 Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 Yes, there are very few "secrets of the universe" that are as confusing as the feminist's love for Islam. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
DogOnPorch Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 Just now, Hal 9000 said: Yes, there are very few "secrets of the universe" that are as confusing as the feminist's love for Islam. They secretly long to be told what to do by men. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Omni Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 4 hours ago, betsy said: Yes, it does. The time-line Irrelevant. The application is based on proceedings from the military commission at Gitmo, which has been discredited by the SC. Quote
capricorn Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 48 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Omar claims Trudeau's apology has restored his reputation a bit. I beg to differ you terrorist SOB. Quote "Listen, I want to be in a place where I don't have any more legal cases, I don't have any prison time, I just want to be a normal person who doesn't have to worry about going to court," he told The Canadian Press. "Hopefully, eventually, it will come." http://www.calgaryherald.com/news/about+profiting+khadr+opens+deal/13609324/story.html When I first read that statement by Khadr, I read it as "I just want to be a normal person who doesn't have to worry about going to work". LOL Someone should tell him that being a millionaire you do not live a normal life like the schmucks that have to go to work and pay taxes to subsidize his windfall. Quote "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Omni Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 2 hours ago, AngusThermopyle said: Then when asked repeatedly for something as simple as a number he just refuses to supply it and skirts around it And this isn't the only thread were we've seen that. Quote
dialamah Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 "Sleep deprivation is an inconvenience". Ignorance personified right here. Sleep deprivation causes hallucinations, mania, psychoses. It is torture. Khadr's rights were violated and there is a good evidence he was completely innocent and his confessions were coerced. Thank goodness Canada doesn't blithely violate people's rights like Egypt, SA, etc., but I understand - some Canadians think personal vendettas and hatred are much more important than respecting our own principles. Good on our government for sticking with our principles despite the Conservative push to abandon them. Quote
hot enough Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 4 hours ago, AngusThermopyle said: What you call running away other normal people call having a life What life? A life of lies and avoiding your own goof ups? You still haven't addressed your stunning hypocrisy. Quote
Omni Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 22 minutes ago, dialamah said: "Sleep deprivation is an inconvenience". Ignorance personified right here. Sleep deprivation causes hallucinations, mania, psychoses. It is torture. I'm sure if the Gitmo crew thought it was wasn't effective they would go straight to the waterboarding. Quote
hot enough Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 1 hour ago, capricorn said: When I first read that statement by Khadr, I read it as "I just want to be a normal person who doesn't have to worry about going to work". LOL You misread most everything that comes your way except for right wing talking points/memes, capricorn. Quote Someone should tell him that being a millionaire you do not live a normal life like the schmucks that have to go to work and pay taxes to subsidize his windfall. Yup, by your own admission, you're one of the schmucks who abandoned all your "principles" and supported the war crimes, the terrorism, the murders of millions. There should be a special levy on the war criminal/terrorist supporting schmucks who supported the illegal invasions of I & A, not to mention Libya, Syria, ... . Quote
hot enough Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 12 minutes ago, Omni said: I'm sure if the Gitmo crew thought it was wasn't effective they would go straight to the waterboarding. And here you are, the hypocrite, supporting all these US/UK/Canada/... war crimes, crimes against humanity and terrorism. Quote
betsy Posted July 9, 2017 Author Report Posted July 9, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: Omar claims Trudeau's apology has restored his reputation a bit. I beg to differ you terrorist SOB. More like....it has sullied Trudeau's reputation all the more. I hope this becomes an albatross on the Libs' neck. Edited July 9, 2017 by betsy Quote
jacee Posted July 9, 2017 Report Posted July 9, 2017 3 hours ago, ironstone said: For the record,Al Qaeda members are instructed to claim they are tortured when captured.At Gitmo most of the detainees gained weight because they were so well fed. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/3614553/This-is-al-Qaeda-Rule-18-You-must-claim-you-were-tortured.html Sleep deprivation is more like an inconvenience.Yes,Canada does deserve some blame for the Khadr situation,but that blame should be because we welcomed them here in the first place.This is what we get when there is no real screening process.Kellie Leitch had it right. Ya, I'm sure Pere Khadr would have just stepped right up and declared to Leitch that he's a bagman for AlQuaeda! Lol Quote
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