Justin Trudeau: Madonna or Spice Girl?

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, dre said:

For exactly 21,729 times, people on this board are left wondering what you are even saying.

 

Well, you, anyways. Some of us watched Monty Python regular-like.

[Omni]

5 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Well, you, anyways. Some of us watched Monty Python regular-like.

Hey I think they're on just now. Hurry.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Well, you, anyways. Some of us watched Monty Python regular-like.

 

Indeed....

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Grim Reaper: Shut up, you American. You Americans, all you do is talk, and talk, and say "let me tell you something" and "I just wanna say." Well, you're dead now, so shut up.

 

[PIK]

Does trudeau ever do anything. Is he actually the PM or just a pretty face. All the shit going on and he has time to do daytime shows and go kayaking on the niagara? At least harper was on the job 24/7, so I take it butts is running the show.

Edited June 7, 2017 by PIK

[Topaz]

For me, I can't support any politician, who has any connection to Geo. Soros and son and apparently, Trudeau had meetings with this guy in the last elections and now Trudeau hooked up with former Prez Obama in Montreal and  Obama too has connection to Soros.  Is the New World Order back on track?

[August1991]

On 6/6/2017 at 1:48 PM, dre said:

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In reality though Justin is just a typical politician and self promoter and liar. Hes not doing anything crazy. This is the same kind of thing I have said about Harper in the past. He didn't do anything totally nuts, and more or less ran a functional administration... trains kept running, etc.

Some people are obsessed with the government taking their side of the retarded left vs right culture war. But really, the government has an administrative position. Bland, and boring. Just be functional, and not do anything really stupid.

dre, as an analysis of the situation, that's not really helpful: "Justin is just like Harper".

In your worldview, was "Chamberlain just like Churchill"?

 

[August1991]

Is this kid a "one hit wonder"?

It's about now that Justin Trudeau must show a new tune; a new style. He may need a new composer/lyrcist.

[Michael Hardner]

5 hours ago, August1991 said:

It's about now that Justin Trudeau must show a new tune; a new style. He may need a new composer/lyrcist.

Why 'now' ?  He mounted pragmatic and left-unpopular policies with regards to pipelines and voting reform already - isn't that a 'new tune' ?  Arms deals ?  What ?

[August1991]

On 6/10/2017 at 7:27 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Why 'now' ?  He mounted pragmatic and left-unpopular policies with regards to pipelines and voting reform already - isn't that a 'new tune' ?  Arms deals ?  What ?

No, it's not new, cool. Even eating with Obama in Montreal is not new, cool - if the English CBC records it, it's not cool.

http://popcrush.com/madonnas-vogue-vs-spice-girls-wannabe-greatest-pop-video-of-the-modern-era-first-round/

As shoppers say, Justin Trudeau may be beyond his BBD.

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Unless he gets, like Cher, a new composer/lyricist.

Edited June 12, 2017 by August1991

[Michael Hardner]

8 hours ago, August1991 said:

No, it's not new, cool.  

Unclear.   Not new and NOT cool ?  Or 'not new but cool' ?

I think it's the former, ie. not cool.  As such, it IS new to those who bought the image of a PET 2.0, plugged in to the youth and spirit of change.  PET was about big changes, but JT is about a new wrapper on the same old package.

[Rue]

O.k. so let's talk August. I think comparing Justin to drag queen icons Spice Girl and Madonna is a good analogy myself.

Now Madonna for years was the style expert changing her style every 5 seconds generating publicity for her one tone talentless self.

Her sole claim to fame is marketing. She has taken mush and marketed it for billions. She and Oprah. Talentless market mavens.

The thing about Madonna though is she does work out and does killer yoga and could kick ass. Physically she trained.

Now in comparison to Justin who also fancies himself buff and fit and loves photoops of himself running I will say this-he believes in his own hype. He fancies himself.

So does Finance Minister Morneau. Slim boys indeed. Same stylist.  Its a look first perfected by politicians like Keith Norton and Tab Hunter. Its a  soft Rock Hudson kind of milieu. Crisp as in Quenton but not too butch bull dog as in Arnold. Its a balancing act. Toned down with a hint of pinks and light blues. Manicured nails, hair always at the same length-a must. Its crucial to cut the nose and ear hairs. The hands can be limp or on hips but never in the pockets. That said Spice Girl lime Madonna and Justin is sexually ambiguous able to switch from lesbian to straight icon in a second. Not as easy as it looks.. She too is buff but not so buff as to go Serena Williams on people. So its a tough comparison.

I will say this, I think Justin's power is in today's head space of the masses-its a head space brought up on 10 second sound bites. Trudeau's words in  between theuh uh uh are always chopped twitter sentences. Likewise the same for Trump. Both illiterate. To be a politician today in North America means your handles verse you in meta communication-the ability to place a carefully chosen word in a disjointed sentence and just keep repeating that key word in different  chopped sentences. Take a look at the speech patterns of Trump, Bush Jr. and Trudeau. Now compare that to the speech patterns of Mulroney and Reagan. Mulroney and Reagan were no more substantial, but they could speak so they could be given full scripts to read on the prompter. Trudeau and Trump both have speech impediments and learning disabilities that prevent the from focusing on the teleprompter or full sentences. In Bush Jr's case he had an inherited learning disorder his father had and where they would have gaps in processing their scripts when trying to repeat them orally. THey both were trained to handle it. Trump looks like he has classic adhd and dyslexia and Trudeau has two or three  speech impediments, Chretiens had permanent damage to his speech centre from Bell's Palsy.

Reagan's A;lzheimer's disease caused him to lean his head to one side and slur his words and need someone to cue him back to the script. It was often done by his wife touching him on the back.

When you have a politician with impediments, meta communication, having them focus on short sentences with one verb and one crucial word emphasized is the name of the game. It was perfected with Eisenhower who detested speaking. It was never used with Truman or Roosevelt.

Truman was given scripts and could follow them but he also could go off cue and stay right on point. When FDR went off script he had a problem coming back to the topic. 

Woodrow Wilson a college professor would not read off script.

Mulroney was a natural speaker. Pearson was a studderer. Diefenbaker despite a neurological condition and tremours was a natural speaker.

Today's politicians have zero substance-its all about placing the word of the day in a short sentence then fluffing it with some back-drop photo.

Trudeau has been getting away with it two years because there has been no opposition.

From a purely marketing point of view, what challenges Scheer  if he is to counter this technique is whether he can get people to listen to more then a disjointed sound bite.

The key issue for us next election with be out of control government spending. Can the Tories repackage that to 10 second sound bites?

We shall see. Telling people they can NOT have something which Scheer would have to do is a tougher position to sell than Trudeaualways focusing on what he is handing out at the moment. To sell a negative reality message like Trudeau is out of control which is highly negative, you need to also leave your audience with something positive. Not easy to do.

Tell you what though, I saw a commercial with the Ontario PC leader. It was brilliant. They focus on his mouth, then he explains how he had a speech impediment as a kid and overcame it.  Its a powerful ten second message.Works well. Very hard to look at him the same way after it. Suddenly his big goofy ears and geek look turns into an underdog man with humility. I think its an excellent counter to the arrogant, cold, detached Wynne. A similar message about Scheer being humble to counter position Trudeau's arrogance would be helpful..

For Scheer to counter Trudeau and make him a one hit wonder, he will have to of course look non-threatening, grass roots but approaching finances like a concerned parentwho finds himself in debt and needs to  do something sound to protect his children.

A message like  having him  laughing and gently  telling someone to put down the cell phone and iust shake his hand with him saying let's talk- then  a voice over saying, "its about my hair or smile-its about the country's finances-let's talk.

Go right for the juglar of the narcissistic monster.

 

For further info contact Rue the stylist at 124 Rodeo Drive in Beverley Hills, California

 

 

Edited June 12, 2017 by Rue

[Michael Hardner]

Personally, I can't wait for the day when we focus once again on ideas and not image.

For all of his flaws, Trump certainly had a lot of new ideas.

[Argus]

On 6/10/2017 at 7:27 AM, Michael Hardner said:

Why 'now' ?  He mounted pragmatic and left-unpopular policies with regards to pipelines and voting reform already - isn't that a 'new tune' ?  Arms deals ?  What ?

Trump, of course.

[PIK]

Trump will be long gone before one red cent is spent on the military. More liberal BS. As someone said here earlier ,Promise, consult, delay.

[August1991]

On 6/12/2017 at 7:43 AM, Rue said:

Now Madonna for years was the style expert changing her style every 5 seconds generating publicity for her one tone talentless self.

Her sole claim to fame is marketing. She has taken mush and marketed it for billions. She and Oprah. Talentless market mavens.

The thing about Madonna though is she does work out and does killer yoga and could kick ass. Physically she trained.

Now in comparison to Justin who also fancies himself buff and fit and loves photoops of himself running I will say this-he believes in his own hype. He fancies himself.

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In 1972, Trudeau Snr was reduced to defeat (a minority) by a bald Nova Scotian who infamously dropped a ball.

In 1973, Trudeau Snr - married, with children - claimed famously: "No more philospher king."  

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Interest rates? Go figure.

 

[-TSS-]

He may be a strong contender for an international job requiring him to leave national politics.

[Rue]

4 hours ago, August1991 said:

In 1972, Trudeau Snr was reduced to defeat (a minority) by a bald Nova Scotian who infamously dropped a ball.

In 1973, Trudeau Snr - married, with children - claimed famously: "No more philospher king."  

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Interest rates? Go figure.

 

Lol. Interest rates. I look more and more like George from Seinfeld what the hell do I know.

Image not substance. Its the direct result of a generation hooked on cell phones and ten second babble.

Imagine if we made people write letters to each other?

The illiteracy issue is a direct result of cell/internet communications.

The language is evolving and the attention span is shortened to the point where out entire nation technically has an attention deficit disorder.

Even Obama the best orator I have heard in years cut his sentences to ten second sound bites no different than Bush or Trump.

Its scary to listen to the evolution of speech patterns in politicians.

In the UK they still are eloquent in Parliament but not on the mass media.  When you listen to some of the speeches in their Parliament they

still can talk. The days of the Rex Murphy-Gwunne Dyer  journalists are over for that reason too.

You know I would say this Trudeau is a superficial zit in a large face of acne but some pimples you know they just don't seem to go away.

 

[dialamah]

@Rue  We do seem to be getting stupider as a species, don't we.   Celebrity culture also helped elect Trump and it seems 140 character communication is all that's needed to persuade masses of people.  Sad.

[Rue]

Sigh ....yes D it is depressing ...and yes Trump is a product of it... its all about branding now I guess... but there are I would hope still some people of substance around...

Edited June 15, 2017 by Rue

[BubbleGumYum]

Unfortunately, because of his last name, he'll have a very long career in politics. I say unfortunately, because I find him to be lackluster and naive.

[Omni]

6 minutes ago, BubbleGumYum said:

Unfortunately, because of his last name, he'll have a very long career in politics. I say unfortunately, because I find him to be lackluster and naive.

Maybe we should point out his last name is actually Drumpf

[-TSS-]

If you ask anyone here in Europe who is the PM of Canada they would certainly know it is Trudeau. If you had asked that before he was PM few people would have had a clue.

[August1991]

4 hours ago, -TSS- said:

If you ask anyone here in Europe who is the PM of Canada they would certainly know it is Trudeau. If you had asked that before he was PM few people would have had a clue.

So the deciding factor for a political leader is happy/up/favour clicks?

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If you ask anyone in Canada who is the leader of North Korea, in a police lineup, they would pick some guy named Sung with a weird haircut.

Note to TSS: Your view is wrong, think again...

Edited June 25, 2017 by August1991