Dutch's election results

[kactus]

To all my Dutch friends: Thank you

Dutch election exit polls: Mark Rutte's VVD party on track to win most seats after support for Geert Wilders drops off

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/15/dutch-election-results-geert-wilders-andmark-rutte-vie-power/

Well....If there's any consolation after the Trump election it is the sanity that finally prevails the Dutch election. Au revoir, Auf wiedesehen, good bye, Tchau Mr Geert Wilders....Good riddance!

Guess after rhetorics of "America first" the Dutch decided enough is enough with this nonesense of "Holland second"...

Dutch general election results 2017 | Parliament seats per party

VVD PvdA PVV SP CDAD66 Other

31

9

19

14

19

19

16

 

Edited March 16, 2017 by kactus

[Peter F]

19 minutes ago, kactus said:

Au revoir, Auf wiedesehen, good bye, Tchau Mr Geert Wilders....Good riddance!

I'm glad the Dutch are still mostly reasonable folks. But Mr. Wilders isn't going anywhere.

[DogOnPorch]

A great victory for Islam over the West.

Congratulations.

[?Impact]

19 out of 150 - bye bye Trump wannabe

[August1991]

PeterF, DogOnPorch, ?Impact, I see this rather as a "wait and see" election result.

Many people in the West - the Dutch are bellwhethers - are conflicted.

 

Edited March 16, 2017 by August1991

[Guest]

26 minutes ago, August1991 said:

PeterF, DogOnPorch, ?Impact, I see this rather as a "wait and see" election result.

Many people in the West - the Dutch are bellwhethers - are conflicted.

 

Agreed. Certain things are inevitable. The rise of right wing politics in the west is one of them. 

Edited March 16, 2017 by bcsapper

[Bonam]

Coming in tied for 2nd place in a 6+ party system is hardly that strong of an electoral rebuke. 

Next election to watch is France, where Marine Le Pen is set to do well in the first round of voting. 

[blackbird]

This was not a strong win for Rutte's party.  They actually went from 41 seat to 31 seats, a loss of ten seats.  So they hold 31 in a 150 seat parliament, or about 20% of the seats.

Wilders party, the PVV, increased from about 12 to 19 seats, a gain of about 7 seats.  Two other parties hold 19 seats each as well. 

The clash with Turkey's president appears to have helped Rutte in the last days of the election, as he was able to rebuff the Turkish president.  Was this orchestrated by Turkey to affect the election?  Who knows.

The next interesting election will be in France in the near future.  Marine Le Penne, right of centre, has a lot of support.  She wishes to restrict immigration but is not talking as tough as Wilders was.  She may have a better chance. 

[?Impact]

2 hours ago, Bonam said:

Coming in tied for 2nd place in a 6+ party system is hardly that strong of an electoral rebuke.

If you can't get anyone else to play ball with you, even coming in first can be a strong rebuke.

[scribblet]

6 hours ago, blackbird said:

....................The next interesting election will be in France in the near future.  Marine Le Penne, right of centre, has a lot of support.  She wishes to restrict immigration but is not talking as tough as Wilders was.  She may have a better chance. 

You beat me to it, had this written:  

He likely gained votes because of he stood up to the Ergodan but still lost seats whereas  Wilders party did gain 12 seats becoming the 2^nd. Largest party.   The mainstream leftwing was actually the biggest loser while the Turkish party Denk and ethnic minority party won 3 seats, which is what happens with Prop. Rep. 

 

 

 

[-TSS-]

A xenophobic anti-EU party received 13% of the votes. Therefore 87% of the voters are in favour of the EU and mass-immigration.

 

 

A party for animals rights received 3% of the votes. Therefore 97% of the voters support cruelty on animals.

If you follow that logic follow in all instances.

[DogOnPorch]

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[kactus]

1 hour ago, -TSS- said:

A xenophobic anti-EU party received 13% of the votes. Therefore 87% of the voters are in favour of the EU and mass-immigration.

 

 

A party for animals rights received 3% of the votes. Therefore 97% of the voters support cruelty on animals.

If you follow that logic follow in all instances.

....more like double Dutch logic....

dude....just because 13% of the vote went  to xenophobes duche bags doesn't make the rest pro-immigration or EU automatically. As for your animal rights analogy this is such a ridiculous comparison to say just because 3% of the vote went to animal rights group the remaining 97% are in favour of animal cruelty...That's such a a lazy and at the same time radical thinking.....

[DogOnPorch]

58 minutes ago, kactus said:

....more like double Dutch logic....

dude....just because 13% of the vote went  to xenophobes duche bags doesn't make the rest pro-immigration or EU automatically. As for your animal rights analogy this is such a ridiculous comparison to say just because 3% of the vote went to animal rights group the remaining 97% are in favour of animal cruelty...That's such a a lazy and at the same time radical thinking.....

 

Everybody who doesn't want to submit to the cult of Islam is an Islamophobe.

 

Edited March 16, 2017 by DogOnPorch

[Bob Macadoo]

2 hours ago, -TSS- said:

A xenophobic anti-EU party received 13% of the votes. Therefore 87% of the voters are in favour of the EU and mass-immigration.

 

 

A party for animals rights received 3% of the votes. Therefore 97% of the voters support cruelty on animals.

If you follow that logic follow in all instances.

That's infallible logic except.......

........to be accurate if the other party came out and said "We don't believe in what that other Party stands for.......they believe in rhetorical absolute statements about all animals being unharmed......we believe animals that personally attack humans should be dealt with.......appropriately for each situation......" then you might've had a point. No one has stated that alt-right has been rejected by this one election, but its a better situation than the alternative......

 

[DogOnPorch]

Turkey's Foreign Ministers threatens religious war in Europe after Dutch election.

Nice fellow. I'm sure he meant religious war in the kindest way.

 

[-TSS-]

The second chamber of the Dutch parliament has 150 members elected from a single nationwide constituency using proportional representation without any thresholds. Seems to me like the most democratic election-system thinkable, don't you agree?

As 1/150 of the votes is enough to gain representation, all kinds of single-issue parties have easy access to parliament. For example the aforementioned animal rights party. There is also another party, a Calvinist-party, which campaigns on the platform of disenfrancising all women.

As for the election-result, prior to the election there was a coalition of Liberals and the Social Democrats which gained 5 years ago 41 seats with 26% of the votes for the Liberals and 38 seats with 25% of the votesfor the Social Democrats.

This time the Liberals gained 33 seats with 21% of the votes and the Social Democrtas were hammered into oblivion with 9 seats with 6% of the votes.

The big news of the election was not how Wilders's partry didn't do as well as expected when they still made progress. The news was how the government was totally and utterly rejected. Building a new coalition could take quite a while.

[kactus]

The Economist has an interesting perspective on the aftermath of the election in Holland and what this could mean for Marine Le Pen's chances in France.

What Geert Wilders’s poor showing means for Marine Le Pen

Quote

IN THE run-up to its election on March 15th the international media descended on the Netherlands, speculating that the country might become the third “domino” to fall to nationalist populism, following the vote for Brexit and the election of Donald Trump in America. The Dutch themselves, excited by the unaccustomed attention, seem to have taken the idea to heart. The performance of Geert Wilders and his far-right Freedom Party (PVV), it was said, would be a portent of Marine Le Pen’s chances in France’s presidential election and of the prospects for populism right across Europe.

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21718910-poor-result-dutch-populist-has-little-predictive-power-elections-elsewhere-what-geert

Precarious times ahead....

[OftenWrong]

Right wingers should not be disappointed by this result. It would be unrealistic to expect Geert Wilders to go all the way. For one thing there are so many more parties in the Dutch system, the right-wing vote is more divided. Secondly, Wilders is no Trump by a long shot. Neither in experience, popularity nor intellect. Trump's superior business and media skills gave him the upper hand.

The good news is that momentum is still building towards the right, and this will only keep getting stronger. Trump, and Brexit have established a "beach head", a chance to rethink the direction western nations are going in, in terms of security. The final outcome of leftism is preordained... failure of society. People have known this for some time but were afraid to speak out for fear of losing everything, such is the insidious, all-pervasive nature of the leftist big brother. But thanks to recent events in the US and UK, there is reason for courage. One only needs to wait a little longer for others to come onside...

[kactus]

22 hours ago, Peter F said:

I'm glad the Dutch are still mostly reasonable folks. But Mr. Wilders isn't going anywhere.

Sadly...Nevertheless good outcome!

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, kactus said:

Sadly...Nevertheless good outcome!

Hardly. The results are pretty bad for the left, but not as bad as they could have been. That is all

[Wilber]

81% voter turnout. Wow.

[?Impact]

19 minutes ago, Wilber said:

81% voter turnout. Wow.

Yes, even for the Netherlands that is good turnout in recent years (it has been averaging about 75%). They did mange to do 86 in '86 however. The Netherlands used to have compulsory voting, but abolished it in 1967. One interesting finding is that after they abolished it the share to minor and extreme parties was reduced.

[dialamah]

25 minutes ago, Wilber said:

81% voter turnout. Wow

Perhaps they care what happens in their country.   Could it be that the 'silent majority' is really the progressives, that while right-wing, anti-immigrant nationalists are noisy and grab news headlines and sound bites, they really do not speak for the majority?  

Perhaps if 80% of Americans had voted, Trump would be out deceiving investors instead of the American people.  

[Bonam]

2 hours ago, dialamah said:

Perhaps they care what happens in their country.   Could it be that the 'silent majority' is really the progressives, that while right-wing, anti-immigrant nationalists are noisy and grab news headlines and sound bites, they really do not speak for the majority?  

Perhaps if 80% of Americans had voted, Trump would be out deceiving investors instead of the American people.  

Doubt it. Progressives, as much as I criticize them on a number of points, do tend to be passionate about their ideas and tend to go out and vote for what they believe. The people who don't vote in America aren't progressive or conservatives, they're just apathetic.