Hal 9000 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Posted January 24, 2017 No, I want to hear your interpretations of what is actually happening. Ok, so I looked it up...and it seems that he wants to stop funding abortion clubs. Just what I thought. 1 Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Hal 9000 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Posted January 24, 2017 1 minute ago, cybercoma said: What opinion? How about you look up the facts. Look up what he cancelled and look up the change in women's health that it created. There's data and evidence out there. I already told you that signing the executive order would kill thousands of women. That's the truth. They're going to lose access to life-saving medical help. If you don't understand what's been cancelled, then look it up before jumping into the conversation. It's literally front page news on every news site right now. You could even go a step further to read the actual law. I don't need to hold your hand. Isn't this just a little hyperbolic? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Bonam Posted January 24, 2017 Report Posted January 24, 2017 Just now, cybercoma said: Back to this? Why provide any humanitarian aid? That's a valid question. Why indeed? Many people feel that it is their responsibility to help those in need, and those people should feel personally free to contribute as much as they want, and to use their free speech rights to encourage others to donate, as well. But use taxpayer (or worse, borrowed) money to fund programs in other countries when there is plenty of stuff that needs funding at home? Why? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Bonam said: Why is it the American government's job to provide money for healthcare (of whatever type) in other countries? The American government should look after the American people and their interests. As for the many Americans who want to contribute to the well-being of people around the world, they have the opportunity to do so through a wide range of charitable organizations, including both those that provide funding for abortion and those that do not. +1 The very same people demanding U.S. funding for such "humanitarian aid" in foreign countries are the same ones whining about U.S. interventionist policies around the world. Love American funding...hate their government. Edited January 24, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
cybercoma Posted January 24, 2017 Report Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) . Edited January 30, 2017 by cybercoma Quote
cybercoma Posted January 24, 2017 Report Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) . Edited January 30, 2017 by cybercoma Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Posted January 24, 2017 5 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: No, I want to hear your interpretations of what is actually happening. Ok, so I looked it up...and it seems that he wants to stop funding abortion clubs. Just what I thought. "Abortion clubs"....that disgusting. Why are abortions treated like private tattoo parlors instead of mainstream health care providers ? I ain't paying for that.....go Trump ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Bonam Posted January 24, 2017 Report Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) 3 minutes ago, cybercoma said: Why indeed. Ask yourself. Well, fortunately, I already know my own opinion on the subject. In fact, I've regularly donated to several charitable / non-profit organizations that I believe serve the good of all humankind. And, I certainly respect other people's decisions to do the same. However, I don't think it is the place of government to collect taxes from its citizens or borrow money that its citizens will eventually be burdened with repaying and then distribute that money in other countries, except in cases where it is also in its own citizen's interest (such as reducing the spread of communicable diseases, for example). However, I was asking for your reason, not my own. Edited January 24, 2017 by Bonam Quote
Hal 9000 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Posted January 24, 2017 Just now, cybercoma said: You call it abortion clubs, which shows that you don't even understand that it includes STI screenings, amongst other reproductive healthcare. You either 1) don't care about the issue, or 2) are incapable of understanding it. Either way, it's a waste of time to talk about it with you. So that's good, I can just ignore your posts now. Planned parenthood is all about abortions, the other stuff is just window covering - we all know that. And, women can go to any clinic for STI screening and every other health issue they have. PP is not needed for anything other than abortions, I know it and we all know it. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
cybercoma Posted January 24, 2017 Report Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) . Edited January 30, 2017 by cybercoma Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Posted January 24, 2017 1 minute ago, Hal 9000 said: Planned parenthood is all about abortions, the other stuff is just window covering - we all know that. And, women can go to any clinic for STI screening and every other health issue they have. PP is not needed for anything other than abortions, I know it and we all know it. Yup...abortion clinics are abortion mills, otherwise existing health care infrastructure could provide such "care". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Bonam Posted January 24, 2017 Report Posted January 24, 2017 Just now, cybercoma said: Unfortunately, charities can't build the mass to handle certain situations. Government is needed to focus efforts. Do you have data to support this assertion? I believe the impact of efforts by charities such as the Gates Foundation are comparable in scale to those of governments. Quote It's also the only democratic means to accomplishing things on that scale. It seems far more democratic to me for each individual to contribute what they want to the causes they support (or not) according to their own free will. Quote
cybercoma Posted January 24, 2017 Report Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) . Edited January 30, 2017 by cybercoma Quote
cybercoma Posted January 24, 2017 Report Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) . Edited January 30, 2017 by cybercoma Quote
Bonam Posted January 24, 2017 Report Posted January 24, 2017 Just now, cybercoma said: You pick the Gates Foundation as if it's not an exception that proves the rule. I pick the Gates Foundation because it illustrates my point - that significant humanitarian causes can be addressed by private charities, not just governments. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 24, 2017 Report Posted January 24, 2017 2 minutes ago, Bonam said: I pick the Gates Foundation because it illustrates my point - that significant humanitarian causes can be addressed by private charities, not just governments. Pigeons... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
cybercoma Posted January 24, 2017 Report Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) . Edited January 30, 2017 by cybercoma Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Posted January 24, 2017 No, the Gates Foundation supports his point quite well, and undermines yours. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Bonam Posted January 24, 2017 Report Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) 8 minutes ago, cybercoma said: The Gates Foundation is notably exceptional in its efforts. You're not picking the average charity. The Gates Foundation as a result undermines your point. Why would I pick the "average charity"? Who donates to "average charities"? Everyone donates to organizations that they believe are exceptional in furthering the causes that they support. Furthermore, there are many smaller or more local issues that can be addressed by smaller organizations. Going back to your assertion that only governments can "build the mass" to handle certain issues, it only takes one counterexample to demonstrate that the statement is false. But let's not forget that we're talking about the US government here, which of course has more money than any other government in the world and does more work around the world than any other government, and so is just as "exceptional" as the Gates Foundation. If it wasn't, then it's change in policy in this regard wouldn't be such a big deal. Why are you comparing "average charities" to this exception case of the world's largest government? Edited January 24, 2017 by Bonam Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Posted January 24, 2017 1 minute ago, Bonam said: Why would I pick the "average charity"? Who donates to "average charities"? Everyone donates to organizations that they believe are exceptional in furthering the causes that they support.... Agreed....the United Way campaigns learned long ago that if it gave donors the option of restricting their funding away from abortions it raised more money for charities overall. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Michael Hardner Posted January 24, 2017 Report Posted January 24, 2017 Folks - I hid some posts with jabs and catcalls. Please cut that out, thanks. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) The decision has been made by President Trump despite the Women's March. Classic "in your face" Trump. Edited January 24, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
blueblood Posted January 24, 2017 Report Posted January 24, 2017 35 minutes ago, cybercoma said: Back to this? Why provide any humanitarian aid? Answer that and you have your answer. Why should one have a gun to their head to be forced to provide humanitarian aid? Quote "Stop the Madness!!!" - Kevin O'Leary "Money is the ultimate scorecard of life!". - Kevin O'Leary Economic Left/Right: 4.00 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -0.77
Omni Posted January 24, 2017 Report Posted January 24, 2017 (edited) 36 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: No, I want to hear your interpretations of what is actually happening. Ok, so I looked it up...and it seems that he wants to stop funding abortion clubs. Just what I thought. You do understand that US law already forbids the use of US funds to provide abortions right? Edited January 24, 2017 by Omni Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Posted January 24, 2017 3 minutes ago, blueblood said: Why should one have a gun to their head to be forced to provide humanitarian aid? Because everybody deserves a "safe space"...except unborn children. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
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