dialamah Posted January 26, 2017 Report Posted January 26, 2017 22 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Exactly...so if the Muslim Brotherhood has their dirty mitts in there you'd never know...or care. The Muslim Brotherhood supporting a walk for women's rights? Wow, I never knew they were so progressive! But why do you object.to women's rights marches?? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 26, 2017 Report Posted January 26, 2017 4 minutes ago, dialamah said: The Muslim Brotherhood supporting a walk for women's rights? Wow, I never knew they were so progressive! But why do you object.to women's rights marches?? I don't. I object to the Muslim Brotherhood. Designated a terrorist group in many countries...not the USA. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
dialamah Posted January 26, 2017 Report Posted January 26, 2017 Just now, DogOnPorch said: I don't. I object to the Muslim Brotherhood. Designated a terrorist group in many countries...not the USA. Well if they are supporting women's marches, as you've implied, perhaps they've seen the error of their ways. Anyway, I suspect this might be getting too far off-topic, but nice chatting. Ciao. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 26, 2017 Report Posted January 26, 2017 1 minute ago, dialamah said: Well if they are supporting women's marches, as you've implied, perhaps they've seen the error of their ways. Anyway, I suspect this might be getting too far off-topic, but nice chatting. Ciao. Why? Linda Sarsour is one of the lovely co-organizers of the Pussy Hat March as you say. A Muslim Brotherhood operative and Hamas supporter. Ask her what she thinks of Jews... Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Goddess Posted January 26, 2017 Report Posted January 26, 2017 43 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: ???? So now anyone who presents a different view backed up by data is the "Taliban" ? How many women seeking abortions as birth control...multiple abortions...is enough to qualify as "many" ? According to the World Health Organization, there are 40 to 50 million abortions each year...about 125,000 per day. If far less women were being murdered each year, I bet protesters would say "many women". You're rolling 2 different trains of thought into one. It doesn't say how many of those 125,000 are "multiple" abortions. You've concluded on your own that "many" of them are and that "many" women use abortion as a birth control method. So let's go with 125,000/day. 1. You realize these were not immaculate conceptions, right? That means there are 125,000 men involved here too. 2. 125,000 is just a number - I'm interested in the actual 125,000 women. What are their stories? Of the 2 abortions I arranged at the Clinic, 1 was for a young woman who had been date-raped and the other was for a single mother of 3 whose boyfriend buggered off to Quebec when he found out she was expecting, so he didn't have to pay child support. Both of these women were faced with heart-wrenching decisions, and I know they were not just decided on a whim - there were likely many tears and aftermath. I suspect there are more women in those kinds of situations, than there are women using abortions as a birth control method. 3. You can judge and label these women anything you want, but I would also have a few choice labels and judgments for the men involved. How does banning abortion help these women? Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
betsy Posted January 26, 2017 Report Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) When are you privileged women of America and Canada marching for Muslim women who - unlike the men who are guilty along with them - are being stoned for adultery? When are you privileged women of America and Canada marching for Muslim women, who are being blamed for getting raped? When are you privileged women of America and Canada marching for women who are being gang-raped in India? Domestic violence? Sexual assaults where perpetrator - thanks to your mindless liberalism - hardly get the sentence that befits their crime? If you don't want to get mocked, ridiculed and laughed at, for your stupidity - fight for something that truly matters! Hypocritical airheads! You only make it harder for women to be taken seriously. You make me sick. Edited January 26, 2017 by betsy Quote
Goddess Posted January 26, 2017 Report Posted January 26, 2017 2 minutes ago, betsy said: When are you privileged women of America and Canada marching for Muslim women who - unlike the men who are guilty along with them - are being stoned for adultery? When are you privileged women of America and Canada marching for Muslim women, who are being blamed for getting raped? When are you privileged women of America and Canada marching for women who are being gang-raped in India? Domestic violence? Sexual assaults where perpetrator - thanks to your mindless liberalism - hardly get the sentence that befits their crime? If you don't want to get mocked, ridiculed and laughed at, for your stupidity - fight for something that truly matters! Hypocritical airheads. You make me sick. You are certainly having some serious issues with reading comprehension. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Hal 9000 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Posted January 26, 2017 You people are assigning first world western ideology to a large group of women who have no concept of what they're being taught, who have no (or very little) control of their sex lives, who have no education, and are living an existence not far from the stone age and many are prostituting themselves just to eat a meal or stay alive and you think the answer is to educate women on their choices? Not to mention the HIV that's out of control. To Betsy's point, we can't even deal with this issue properly in our "progressive" country, just have a look at some of our poorer communities and First Nations reserves. Sorry to say, but Madonna, Whoopi and Ashley Judd's weird performances and all the pussy hats worn by middle aged women are not going to help this problem - not one iota. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
betsy Posted January 26, 2017 Report Posted January 26, 2017 Just now, Goddess said: You are certainly having some serious issues with reading comprehension. No! They don't! Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Posted January 26, 2017 27 minutes ago, Goddess said: 3. You can judge and label these women anything you want, but I would also have a few choice labels and judgments for the men involved. How does banning abortion help these women? I have not proposed that all abortions be banned, just that U.S. taxpayers should not be paying for them, especially in other nations. All kinds of problems with that. Marching in Washington does not change the numbers of abortions by many women....it encourages more of them. My argument above with numbers is one of data, logic, and deduction, not emotion. Any women who has multiple abortions clearly is at ease with doing so, IMHO. The Netherlands is organizing fund raising to make up for the U.S. decision...so what took so long ? Let America pay for it, right ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted January 26, 2017 Report Posted January 26, 2017 9 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: Sorry to say, but Madonna, Whoopi and Ashley Judd's weird performances and all the pussy hats worn by middle aged women are not going to help this problem - not one iota. ...and Mz Handler...arch-weirdo...advocate of bullying and belittling immigrant women. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Goddess Posted January 26, 2017 Report Posted January 26, 2017 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: I have not proposed that all abortions be banned, OK. It seemed that's what you were proposing. My apologies for misunderstanding. Quote just that U.S. taxpayers should not be paying for them, especially in other nations. While it's nice when the US takes the lead in helping underdeveloped nations, etc.....I understand your argument here. The US is certainly not obligated to fund anything in any other countries. Maybe stick to that line of argument, instead of the other. I do appreciate your "American perspective" on things and enjoy reading your posts. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted January 26, 2017 Report Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: My argument above with numbers is one of data, logic, and deduction, not emotion. Any women who has multiple abortions clearly is at ease with doing so, IMHO. I really do think those women are rare. For "many" women - abortion is an angonizingly gut-wrenching decision. It is a very emotionally charged issue and the numbers, data and deduction do not reflect that there are real, actual people behind those numbers. For that reason, I believe it is a decision best left to the individual women and their doctors. Edited January 26, 2017 by Goddess Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Hal 9000 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Posted January 26, 2017 ^^You don't think that the ease of getting an abortion plays into a woman's thought process when making her decisions about her sex life? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
cybercoma Posted January 26, 2017 Report Posted January 26, 2017 (edited) . Edited January 30, 2017 by cybercoma Quote
Goddess Posted January 26, 2017 Report Posted January 26, 2017 Just now, Hal 9000 said: ^^You don't think that the ease of getting an abortion plays into a woman's thought process when making her decisions about her sex life? You think abortions are done for the "ease" of them? Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Hal 9000 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Posted January 26, 2017 4 minutes ago, Goddess said: You think abortions are done for the "ease" of them? In many cases, it's the easiest way out of the problem - of course. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Posted January 26, 2017 35 minutes ago, Goddess said: I really do think those women are rare. For "many" women - abortion is an angonizingly gut-wrenching decision. It is a very emotionally charged issue and the numbers, data and deduction do not reflect that there are real, actual people behind those numbers. For that reason, I believe it is a decision best left to the individual women and their doctors. That's swell, but there are still many women who consider abortion to be birth control. For the very reasons you cite, it is also a reproductive and mental health issue for women after having abortion(s). Real people should pay for their real abortions, not taxpayers. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Goddess Posted January 26, 2017 Report Posted January 26, 2017 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: That's swell, but there are still many women who consider abortion to be birth control. For the very reasons you cite, it is also a reproductive and mental health issue for women after having abortion(s). Real people should pay for their real abortions, not taxpayers. I'd rather help pay for all of them, than deny rape victims, incest victims, women whose men have abandoned the family the availability and cost. But then, I'm Canadian. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Posted January 26, 2017 1 minute ago, Goddess said: .....women whose men have abandoned the family the availability and cost. But then, I'm Canadian. What happened to women being responsible for themselves....you know....feminism. The unborn have to die because a women lost her man ? Can't have it both ways..... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted January 26, 2017 Report Posted January 26, 2017 3 minutes ago, Goddess said: I'd rather help pay for all of them, than deny rape victims, incest victims, women whose men have abandoned the family the availability and cost. But then, I'm Canadian. I'm Canadian and I'd rather NOT fund abortions globally...thanks. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Hal 9000 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Posted January 26, 2017 6 minutes ago, Goddess said: I'd rather help pay for all of them, than deny rape victims, incest victims, women whose men have abandoned the family the availability and cost. But then, I'm Canadian. You think there are 100,000+ abortions a day because of rape, incest and losing their man? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Goddess Posted January 26, 2017 Report Posted January 26, 2017 Just now, DogOnPorch said: I'm Canadian and I'd rather NOT fund abortions globally...thanks. I wasn't talking globally, but I understand your point. There's a few things I'd rather not fund with our healthcare dollars either, but...... Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Goddess Posted January 26, 2017 Report Posted January 26, 2017 Just now, Hal 9000 said: You think there are 100,000+ abortions a day because of rape, incest and losing their man? You think there are 100,000+ abortions a day because they are fun and easy. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Hal 9000 Posted January 26, 2017 Report Posted January 26, 2017 Just now, Goddess said: You think there are 100,000+ abortions a day because they are fun and easy. An abortion is easier than having a wisdom tooth removed - if that's what you want to know. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
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