eyeball Posted January 20, 2017 Report Posted January 20, 2017 How about America Only? How about America just stays home and minds is own business? You know, a really hopey changy difference for a change? The US doesn't have enough trouble at home it has to go find/make even more just about everywhere it goes? 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Hal 9000 Posted January 20, 2017 Report Posted January 20, 2017 1 hour ago, eyeball said: How about America Only? How about America just stays home and minds is own business? You know, a really hopey changy difference for a change? The US doesn't have enough trouble at home it has to go find/make even more just about everywhere it goes? I think Trump actually did touch on this point. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
sharkman Posted January 21, 2017 Report Posted January 21, 2017 Why America first? Because Canada first. Japan first. France first. Germany first, Britain, Italy and Mexico first. Every nation in the world puts their interests first, whatever those interests may be, to achieve whatever goals they have. Take China. Their goal is to take over the South China Sea so they've been building islands further and further out, and then planting the China flag on each one, claiming more international waters. Canada sent it's Prime Minister to some far flung place so everybody could get a break from him over the Christmas holidays. The US has been gobbling up land both in Mexico and Canada to meet with their needs. I can see Washington state from my house! Quote
OftenWrong Posted January 21, 2017 Report Posted January 21, 2017 1 hour ago, eyeball said: How about America Only? How about America just stays home and minds is own business? You know, a really hopey changy difference for a change? The US doesn't have enough trouble at home it has to go find/make even more just about everywhere it goes? Because the world is not a nice place. Bad guys will not mind their own business. Staying home wont protect you, because they'll only come to your house. You might be in your backyard one day, giving your tree a hug and them whammo... Quote
kimmy Posted January 21, 2017 Report Posted January 21, 2017 40 minutes ago, sharkman said: Why America first? Because Canada first. Japan first. France first. Germany first, Britain, Italy and Mexico first. Every nation in the world puts their interests first, Agreed, any government's first duty is to its own citizens. 2 hours ago, eyeball said: How about America just stays home and minds is own business? While I assume you're probably talking about American "regime change" and support of bad-guy regimes like Saudi Arabia, I think we should also mention American philanthropy, which does tremendous good in the world. Bill Gates alone does charitable work that puts entire countries to shame. American money assists whenever there's a crisis around the world. It seems that wherever there is trouble in the world, people point their fingers and blame America... but when people need help, America is the first place they look to. -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Moonlight Graham Posted January 21, 2017 Report Posted January 21, 2017 If they didn't do it, we would. Other western countries give up some power/influence to the US to save on blood and treasure, and much of what they do benefits us anyways. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 21, 2017 Report Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) Let Canada lead the world with policy and its own treasure if it values such a leadership role by a single nation. Let Canada be the first to disaster areas with its military resources. Let Canada pay for the UN. Let Canada show the world how to do it better...and pay for it. Edited January 21, 2017 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
?Impact Posted January 21, 2017 Report Posted January 21, 2017 This "my country first" is dumb. Sure you want to support your own people, but you live in a world where you need to cooperate with others. The notion that you can screw the rest of the world will only hurt your own people in the end. Dumb rhetoric, swallowed by non thinking masses. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 21, 2017 Report Posted January 21, 2017 1 minute ago, ?Impact said: This "my country first" is dumb. Sure you want to support your own people, but you live in a world where you need to cooperate with others. The notion that you can screw the rest of the world will only hurt your own people in the end. Dumb rhetoric, swallowed by non thinking masses. Yeah..it is so "dumb" it won a presidential election. Non-thinking masses get to vote too. The U.S. has more trade with far more nations than does Canada. Cooperate that.... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted January 21, 2017 Author Report Posted January 21, 2017 2 hours ago, kimmy said: Agreed, any government's first duty is to its own citizens. While I assume you're probably talking about American "regime change" and support of bad-guy regimes like Saudi Arabia, I think we should also mention American philanthropy, which does tremendous good in the world. Bill Gates alone does charitable work that puts entire countries to shame. -k No I'm assuming that US interests include being the dominant power on the planet, as others have noted exceptionalism is back, hugely. Bill Gates is not a Shining Beacon of 'me first'. I'm assuming US will have to become great again by doing what it did to become great in the past, which was to put itself on steroids and push it's weight around. Quote American money assists whenever there's a crisis around the world. It seems that wherever there is trouble in the world, people point their fingers and blame America... but when people need help, America is the first place they look to. I'm willing to bet that a policy of America First has made more lives and places around the world miserable than better. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted January 21, 2017 Author Report Posted January 21, 2017 2 hours ago, OftenWrong said: Because the world is not a nice place. Bad guys will not mind their own business. Staying home wont protect you, because they'll only come to your house. You might be in your backyard one day, giving your tree a hug and them whammo... There's only one country on this planet that could or would do that. 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
H10 Posted January 21, 2017 Report Posted January 21, 2017 5 hours ago, eyeball said: How about America Only? How about America just stays home and minds is own business? You know, a really hopey changy difference for a change? The US doesn't have enough trouble at home it has to go find/make even more just about everywhere it goes? These Trump supporters are really living in the 1950s when America was 60% of the world's economy and an American boycott meant something. Now if Trump tries to bully too many nations, do you know what happens, trade wars, if he gets trade wars, America is just 19% of the world economy, they get economically isolated and cut out, the EU, China, South America, Africa, Russia, Australia, Canada will just trade with each other while USA economy shrinks and becomes irrelevant. It will hurt at first, but the economies will retool to deal with each other, they just operate like USA never existed. Trump will implode the US economy, when trade wars tariff the hell out of us exports in retaliation. What do you think is going to happen when USA tariffs Japan, china, eu cars? They going to tariff right back and then urge their trade partners to block USA as well. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 21, 2017 Report Posted January 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, hernanday said: ....America is just 19% of the world economy, Gee....only 19% of the world economy....a pity. How much is Canada's ? Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
sharkman Posted January 21, 2017 Report Posted January 21, 2017 1 hour ago, eyeball said: There's only one country on this planet that could or would do that. Yeah, North Korea. Oh wait, China. No, I got it, Russia. And several minor countries with extremist muslim leaders and laws. Quote
OftenWrong Posted January 21, 2017 Report Posted January 21, 2017 7 minutes ago, hernanday said: What do you think is going to happen when USA tariffs Japan, china, eu cars? They going to tariff right back and then urge their trade partners to block USA as well. Then it will be just like the good old days before NAFTA and other international trade agreements. That is what Donald Trump said he would do, and it's what he's all about. Don't kid yourself, Trump knows what's gonna happen. In fact he's counting on it. Such trade agreements didn't exist several decades ago to the extent we have today, yet commerce still took place in those days and people lived better than they do now. Seems those trade agreements really bolster the super rich... the very people you despise. For all your "make the rich pay" banter, you fail to recognize the fact that free trade empowers the wealthy beyond their wildest dreams. Quote
eyeball Posted January 21, 2017 Author Report Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) Did you happen to notice how many billionaires Trump's hired to run the US for him? Edited January 21, 2017 by eyeball 1 Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
dialamah Posted January 21, 2017 Report Posted January 21, 2017 9 hours ago, OftenWrong said: Seems those trade agreements really bolster the super rich... the very people you despise. For all your "make the rich pay" banter, you fail to recognize the fact that free trade empowers the wealthy beyond their wildest dreams. So the chance of Trump and his billionaire heavy government cancelling these trade agreements is pretty small, despite what Trump says. Quote
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