The First 5

[betsy]

Speculate which first 5 nations' leaders will be invited to the White House?   Not in any particular ranking:

 

1.  Russia.  Just because of all the hoopla about it, and to establish a friendly relationship with the old nemesis.

 

2.  Israel  

 

3.  UK

 

4.  Egypt

 

5.  Mexico

[Michael Hardner]

Maybe, but Canada is traditionally one of the first ones.  Trump doesn't seem to have any animosity for Canada from what I can see but then again he has shown that he will write his own rules.  Why Egypt though ?

[betsy]

17 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Maybe, but Canada is traditionally one of the first ones.  Trump doesn't seem to have any animosity for Canada from what I can see but then again he has shown that he will write his own rules.  Why Egypt though ?

Egypt talked with, and deferred to Trump's request with that UN Resolution.

Edited January 7, 2017 by betsy

[betsy]

19 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Maybe, but Canada is traditionally one of the first ones.  Trump doesn't seem to have any animosity for Canada from what I can see but then again he has shown that he will write his own rules.  Why Egypt though ?

He is very quiet about Canada.  It's like we're not even on his radar.....which could mean we're not that significant at all in his view (which could be either good or bad).

 

I have a gut feeling that he'll give us the silent cold treatment.

Edited January 7, 2017 by betsy

[Hal 9000]

Trump has NAFTA to deal with and Canadian pipelines that are still on the back burner.  Trudeau will be an easy victory for him to throw too his people.  I think Trudeau will be met with rather quickly.  

[Omni]

Trudeau called Trump to offer congrats. after the election and they each extended invites to visit, so we'll see how it plays out.

[bush_cheney2004]

Trumps seems to explicitly ignore tradition and precedent.   He should not invite or visit Canada first to reinforce this message and keep his critics off balance.

[Omni]

8 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Trumps seems to explicitly ignore tradition and precedent.   He should not invite or visit Canada first to reinforce this message and keep his critics off balance.

Being off balance himself he can probably accomplish that.

[blueblood]

59 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Trumps seems to explicitly ignore tradition and precedent.   He should not invite or visit Canada first to reinforce this message and keep his critics off balance.

Trump has trudeau and both the federal liberals and the Ontario liberals grovelling at his feet and screaming for attention.  He won't be visiting Canada for quite some time as he doesn't have to.  Personally I think the liberals have made a grave mistake by flailing about, better us to be invisible and let Mexico take the bath, now we are drawing attention to ourselves and look very weak at the same time.

[betsy]

After all that very public display of affection for the outgoing Obama admin (which continued even after the election), not to mention the shrilly reaction of liberal Canada through all our blaring  blatantly pro-Hillary mainstream media........

 

......................what a better way to put Trudeau in his place, and send Canada a chilly, silent message?

Edited January 8, 2017 by betsy

[betsy]

 

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Five ways Donald Trump could have an impact on Canada

Canadians are worried about how Trump’s campaign promises could affect the country. Here are the key issues to watch and what Trump has said about each.

 

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/11/09/five-ways-donald-trump-could-have-an-impact-on-canada.html

 

 

Trudeau and Trump are like north and south with their visions.   Trudeau's public coziness with the outgoing Obama admin  is the final nail on the coffin.

To put it crudely:  we're truly f***ed!

Edited January 8, 2017 by betsy

[betsy]

IF Canada is deemed very important to the USA........what are the chances that the Trump admin will "meddle" in our next election?  They'd want someone other than Trudeau to deal with.  Someone compatible with them.

 

We'll really feel the hurt soon with all  the spending spree by the Liberal government.  A hurting population will want to have change pretty badly.

 

Someone asks:  when will populism come to Canada?   Maybe, very soon. 

Edited January 8, 2017 by betsy

[betsy]

Well.....this will count as a rebuke, and an insult to Trump:

 

 

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BUENOS AIRES, ARGENTINA—U.S. President-elect Donald Trump’s tough-talking campaign rhetoric may take a more moderate tone once he takes office and confronts the geopolitical realities of the economic challenges before him, Justin Trudeau suggested Friday.

 

Throughout his trip through Latin America this week, the prime minister has been dogged by a question being posed to — and by — leaders the world over ever since last week’s U.S. election: what to do about Trump?

 

https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/2016/11/18/trudeau-to-tout-trade-to-argentine-canadian-businesses-at-luncheon.html

 

It's a way of saying Trump is clueless.

Why didn't he just say....."we'll have to wait and see?"

Edited January 8, 2017 by betsy

[BubberMiley]

2 hours ago, betsy said:

 

To put it crudely:  we're truly f***ed!

You're finally starting to understand. 

[betsy]

3 minutes ago, BubberMiley said:

You're finally starting to understand. 

 

I'd always understood right from the start that....... Trump's got it right.

 

But I never counted on how our PM can make so many diplomatic mistakes.

 

Edited January 8, 2017 by betsy

[betsy]

So.....CTV had discovered:

 

 

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Exclusive: Top Trudeau advisers have high-level meetings with Trump officials

 

Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s top advisers have had about a dozen high-level meetings with President-elect Donald Trump’s most trusted officials, CTV News has learned.

The two sides have met 10 or 12 times since the U.S. election, and as recently as Tuesday -- a five-hour meeting between Trudeau’s chief of staff, Katie Telford, his principal secretary Gerry Butts, White House chief strategist Steve Bannon and Trump’s son-in-law Jared Kushner.

The meetings have been mostly focused on trade, with the intention of convincing the incoming Trump administration that any tariffs on Canadian goods would hurt the U.S. economy.

 

CTV News was told that throughout these meetings, Trump's team became more receptive to Canada's case that the two economies remain integrated, that Canada is the biggest export market for 35 states, and so imposing taxes or tariffs at the border could hurt both economies.

 

http://www.ctvnews.ca/politics/exclusive-top-trudeau-advisers-have-high-level-meetings-with-trump-officials-1.3230229

 

How convinced and receptive are they?  Something doesn't jive.....

 

 

 

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Trump strategist Kellyanne Conway cancels Alberta visit

 

The Alberta-based conservative group that had organized Ms. Conway’s visit said in an announcement Saturday her trip is not going forward. The former campaign adviser to U.S. President-elect Donald Trump was to visit the oil sands region near Fort McMurray, and had been scheduled to speak to business leaders at a private fundraising dinner on Jan. 12.

 

“I can tell you that Ms. Conway’s office and our own have tried every option at our disposal to make this work and, unfortunately, a visit is just not possible at this time,” said Barry McNamar, president of the Alberta Prosperity Fund, in a news release.

 

There are no current plans to reschedule the trip, and the group is in the process of issuing refunds.

 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/national/trump-strategist-kellyanne-conways-alberta-visit-cancelled/article33540986/

Edited January 8, 2017 by betsy

[BubberMiley]

10 minutes ago, betsy said:

 

I'd always understood right from the start that....... Trump's got it right.

 

But I never counted on how our PM can make so many diplomatic mistakes.

 

No, your point that Trump is petty and vindictive is absolutely correct. He has expressed no ideology, so you have projected your own ideology on to him, but his only ideology and his only interest in the presidency is getting revenge on his "enemies."

[Smallc]

The fact that his advisors and Trudeaus have met 12 times already is probably a good thing.  We haven't hear anything bad from Trump or Trudeau about the other. 

[kimmy]

Whether or not Trump likes Trudeau, approving the Keystone XL pipeline was one of his campaign promises, so we're on the radar in that respect.

As for the rest,  whatever.  Trump promised protectionism during his campaign, and in the unlikely event that he does what he says, I don't see that being Trudeau's fault. Trudeau has been pursuing trade with Europe and Asia, and if Trump puts tariffs on Canadian goods, we'll hopefully have other places to sell our stuff.

 

As for Kellyanne cancelling her Calgary trip... no loss to anybody except for the conservative political action group that was counting on her speaking at their fundraiser.  She didn't punish Canadians, or Albertans, or Justin Trudeau, or Rachel Notley by cancelling the trip. She punished the Alberta Prosperity Fund, a group dedicated to defeating Rachel Notley.

 -k

[betsy]

1 hour ago, BubberMiley said:

No, your point that Trump is petty and vindictive is absolutely correct. He has expressed no ideology, so you have projected your own ideology on to him, but his only ideology and his only interest in the presidency is getting revenge on his "enemies."

 

That's your take on what I've said.  Trudeau is the one who's not only being very undiplomatic, but also being  quite petty - taking potshots and taking sides.  Trump hasn't rebutted him, and instead, is silent about it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BubberMiley]

6 minutes ago, betsy said:

 

That's your take on what I've said.  Trudeau is the one who's not only being very undiplomatic, but also being  quite petty - taking potshots and taking sides.  Trump hasn't rebutted him, and instead, is silent about it.

 

You indicated that you think Trump is capable of retaliating against Canada because of unfavourable coverage in Canada's press. There's nothing more petty and vindictive than that.

[msj]

2 hours ago, BubberMiley said:

No, your point that Trump is petty and vindictive is absolutely correct. 

A real and successful businessman, Richard Branson, mentions his 2 hour lunch with Trump where Trump could only talk about the 5 people he wanted to get revenge on for not bailing him out for his latest bankruptcy. 

https://www.virgin.com/richard-branson/meeting-donald-trump

 

[betsy]

3 hours ago, BubberMiley said:

You indicated that you think Trump is capable of retaliating against Canada because of unfavourable coverage in Canada's press. There's nothing more petty and vindictive than that.

 

Whether Trump is vindictive or not, is not the point. 

The point is you don't do anything undiplomatically, to sour the relationship with an incoming administration....that is, if you expect to have any favorable relationship at all, what more when you're trying to keep that nation as  trading partner!

That's just simple common sense.

Edited January 8, 2017 by betsy

[Omni]

3 hours ago, betsy said:

 

That's your take on what I've said.  Trudeau is the one who's not only being very undiplomatic, but also being  quite petty - taking potshots and taking sides.  Trump hasn't rebutted him, and instead, is silent about it.

 

 

 

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So your idea of diplomacy is building walls along borders, deporting no whites, and firing up the arms race. Maybe you could get work at the white house.

[BubberMiley]

1 hour ago, betsy said:

 

Whether Trump is vindictive or not, is not the point. 

The point is you don't do anything undiplomatically, to sour the relationship with an incoming administration....that is, if you expect to have any favorable relationship at all, what more when you're trying to keep that nation as  trading partner!

That's just simple common sense.

Now that we agree that Trump is a vindictive loose cannon, what did Trudeau do that you consider undiplomatic? Having friendly relations with an existing president is not what most rational people would think of as an example.