Michael Hardner Posted October 3, 2017 Report Posted October 3, 2017 7 minutes ago, Goddess said: Actually, I was interested in hearing what Altai (as a real Muslim) had to say, as it was her/his statement. She said it. It's a reflective of old-world, pre-western fundamentalism ie. intolerance. What more is there to be said ? The Wars of the Reformation led to institutionalization of religious tolerance. With more open societies, and more open economics, the west thrived. Now the non-west will have to figure out a way to reform or be left behind. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
dialamah Posted October 3, 2017 Report Posted October 3, 2017 11 minutes ago, Goddess said: Actually, I was interested in hearing what Altai (as a real Muslim) had to say, as it was her/his statement. Oh, darn, did I take the only spot in the forum thread where Altai could reply? Christianity or Atheism or any other shitty belief systems has no place in the World and have to be wiped out Ok, atheism should not be wiped out...that I disagree with. Quote
Michael Hardner Posted October 3, 2017 Report Posted October 3, 2017 4 minutes ago, dialamah said: Ok, atheism should not be wiped out...that I disagree with. Whatever 'wiping out' means, it's reasonable to assume it means applying thought control by force. History shows us that we don't get good results from such approaches. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
dialamah Posted October 3, 2017 Report Posted October 3, 2017 4 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Whatever 'wiping out' means, it's reasonable to assume it means applying thought control by force. History shows us that we don't get good results from such approaches. Yup, you are right. I shall restate: I don't support "wiping out" anyone's religion, but it would be ok with me if atheism was suddenly (magically) the only 'belief system' we had. Quote
Altai Posted October 4, 2017 Author Report Posted October 4, 2017 11 hours ago, eyeball said: Atheism is not a belief system, it is simply a state of disbelief. I can't believe this still needs to be said in this day and age. We have discussed it before. Please research for it in old posts. Atheism is a belief. Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
Goddess Posted October 4, 2017 Report Posted October 4, 2017 7 hours ago, Altai said: 7 hours ago, Altai said: We have discussed it before. Please research for it in old posts. Atheism is a belief. We have discussed it before. Please research for it in old posts. No, it's not. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
betsy Posted October 4, 2017 Report Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) On 10/2/2017 at 9:35 AM, Altai said: I dont care, his life is influenced by Christianity or Atheism and he murdered people. He is a Christian or Atheist terrorist. We dont know details because media dont want to share ISIS claims him for their own! ISIS says he converted a few months ago. If that's true - he is MUSLIM! We can't rule that out just because there are no evidence to support that claim. For all we know, this guy might end up getting added instead, in that other thread - This Week In Islam. Edited October 4, 2017 by betsy Quote
Goddess Posted October 4, 2017 Report Posted October 4, 2017 16 hours ago, dialamah said: Oh, darn, did I take the only spot in the forum thread where Altai could reply? Christianity or Atheism or any other shitty belief systems has no place in the World and have to be wiped out Sorry, I didn't mean it that way. I just meant I'd like to hear Altai's explanation, since it was Altai's statement and it was a very bold one and left quite open-ended. Quote "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Altai Posted October 7, 2017 Author Report Posted October 7, 2017 A Danish Atheist or Christian guy murders Swedish journalist in his submarine and throws her body into the ocean. He says she died because of a heavy metal cover dropped on her head and he didnt want a dead body in his submarine http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-40922750 Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
blackbird Posted October 10, 2017 Report Posted October 10, 2017 On 11/25/2016 at 8:07 AM, msj said: Um, no. It means that we do not believe in a god or gods. In particular, a personal god that supposedly favours us over someone else or something else. As for this material world: how do I know that my hand is my hand, and all that, etc. We could be "living" or "existing" in a simulation, etc etc. All possibilities with rational explanations that are much more reasonable than the god of the Bible/Koran. Two points.. 1. The created universe around us points to the need to have had a divine creator. It could not have appeared out of nowhere in the complex way it is. 2. The Bible believed to be a direct revelation from God to man teaches that God created the universe. Genesis (KJV 1611). One accepts it is a revelation from our Creator God or does not. Either way the creation is still here and nobody has a better explanation of where it came from. Quote
dialamah Posted October 10, 2017 Report Posted October 10, 2017 7 hours ago, blackbird said: Either way the creation is still here and nobody has a better explanation of where it came from. Matter of opinion. To me, the non-divine explanation makes more sense. 1 Quote
Altai Posted October 10, 2017 Author Report Posted October 10, 2017 Norwegian Christians or Atheist threatens a Norwegian singer with death because of a black person in her video clip. She says she receives huge amount of threatens everyday and she cant even get out of home. This is the video clip, comments under video are disabled. Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
hot enough Posted October 14, 2017 Report Posted October 14, 2017 On 10/10/2017 at 12:39 AM, blackbird said: Two points.. Neither of which have any validity. Quote 1. The created universe around us points to the need to have had a divine creator. It could not have appeared out of nowhere in the complex way it is. Science long ago proved that that is total nonsense. You have a dog who revealed himself to a bunch of people from long ago who saw mystery in everything in their little universe. They created all these myths, which were coalesced into the bible, which more adults indoctrinated their unthinking children into believing. What you have in religion is, all you have is, a bunch of frightened, unthinking children who never really ever grow up. Quote 2. The Bible believed to be a direct revelation from God to man teaches that God created the universe. Genesis (KJV 1611). One accepts it is a revelation from our Creator God or does not. Either way the creation is still here and nobody has a better explanation of where it came from. "believed to be" are the operative words, with zero proof/evidence, just this childish wish that it is all true. Quote
ironstone Posted October 15, 2017 Report Posted October 15, 2017 Any instances of beheadings? People burned alive? Drownings? People being thrown off buildings? Suicide bombings? Quote "Socialism in general has a record of failure so blatant that only an intellectual could ignore or evade it." Thomas Sowell
Altai Posted November 2, 2017 Author Report Posted November 2, 2017 Atheist guy murders 9 persons by beheading them in Japan. He choose the victims especially from persons who is prone to commit suicide. We should nuke Atheists http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/japan-serial-killer-suicide-pact-women-murder-nine-victims-takahiro-shiraishi-zama-a8030751.html Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
Altai Posted November 2, 2017 Author Report Posted November 2, 2017 On 15.10.2017 at 6:41 PM, ironstone said: Any instances of beheadings? People burned alive? Drownings? People being thrown off buildings? Suicide bombings? LoL I really didnt realized your post, its just a coincidence Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
Altai Posted November 2, 2017 Author Report Posted November 2, 2017 @ironstone hiiii Atheist suicide bomber planning to attack city center blowed himself up early, after been realized and followed by security forces in Eastern Turkiye near Iran border. http://www.ihlassondakika.com/yasam/haber-816190 Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
OftenWrong Posted November 3, 2017 Report Posted November 3, 2017 The link is about PKK terrorists-PKK terrorists in the preparation of the action in Dogubayazit District of Ağrı were noticed by the security forces and ran away by exploding the bombed vehicle in the rural district when the operation was carried out. Which I believe are Kurdish Muslims. Muslims attacking Muslims? Oh my. Quote
Altai Posted November 3, 2017 Author Report Posted November 3, 2017 11 hours ago, OftenWrong said: The link is about PKK terrorists-PKK terrorists in the preparation of the action in Dogubayazit District of Ağrı were noticed by the security forces and ran away by exploding the bombed vehicle in the rural district when the operation was carried out. Which I believe are Kurdish Muslims. Muslims attacking Muslims? Oh my. Pkk is an atheist organization. There are also many Christians within them. There may be some idole worshippers too which is called as Yazidi. Yes there are many Muslim Kurds and most of them have nothing with terror organizations. They support govt. Quote "You cant ask people about their belief, its none of your business, its between them and their God but you have to ask them whether or not they need something or they have a problem to be solved." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror"We are not intended to conquer someone's lands but we want to conquer hearts." Ottoman Sultan, Mehmed The Conqueror
OftenWrong Posted November 3, 2017 Report Posted November 3, 2017 15 minutes ago, Altai said: Pkk is an atheist organization. There are also many Christians within them. There may be some idole worshippers too which is called as Yazidi. Yes there are many Muslim Kurds and most of them have nothing with terror organizations. They support govt. Ok thanks. - Now I have to read about the history of the PKK! Quote
OftenWrong Posted November 5, 2017 Report Posted November 5, 2017 The PKK are atheists, which is creepy because it probably means interference by Soviet Russia. They drank the communist Kool-Aid. Quote
eyeball Posted November 5, 2017 Report Posted November 5, 2017 14 hours ago, OftenWrong said: The PKK are atheists, which is creepy because it probably means interference by Soviet Russia. They drank the communist Kool-Aid. Ah, so you're a theist. That explains a lot. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
OftenWrong Posted November 5, 2017 Report Posted November 5, 2017 12 minutes ago, eyeball said: Ah, so you're a theist. That explains a lot. Nonsense. Wherever the Soviets spread their influence, they brought atheism. They tried to do the same thing in Afghanistan. I suppose you think that these guys spontaneously formed a political movement heavy on socialism, and call themselves Kurdistan Workers Party were not heavily influenced by the communists. Quote
eyeball Posted November 5, 2017 Report Posted November 5, 2017 1 hour ago, OftenWrong said: Nonsense. Wherever the Soviets spread their influence, they brought atheism. They tried to do the same thing in Afghanistan. I suppose you think that these guys spontaneously formed a political movement heavy on socialism, and call themselves Kurdistan Workers Party were not heavily influenced by the communists. I suspect they were more fed up with the weight of cruel overbearing oppression, probably from theists. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
OftenWrong Posted November 5, 2017 Report Posted November 5, 2017 1 hour ago, eyeball said: I suspect they were more fed up with the weight of cruel overbearing oppression, probably from theists. Right, so you see "eye to eye" with these Marxist atheists. That tells us a lot. Quote
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