Trump and Canada

[Wilber]

We know we are vulnerable, that's why the agreement with the EU and TPP is important to Canada.

[SpankyMcFarland]

For starters, car manufacture would take a big hit without NAFTA. The supply chains would be all over the place. Any US businessperson losing out would be very noisy.

[SpankyMcFarland]

Trump prefers talking to the likes of Erdogan than to Trudeau, Merkel or the South Koreans.   

Edited April 29, 2017 by SpankyMcFarland

[Omni]

On 4/25/2017 at 3:01 AM, bush_cheney2004 said:

The bitching and moaning from Canada will be very entertaining.

As will the same from the US when they get shut down again at the WTO for, what will that be 6 times now? In the meantime that 30% lumber you don't produce will cost you more.

[blackbird]

On 2017-03-13 at 6:57 PM, ?Impact said:

Trump is not right wing, he is in the special category with Rob Ford.

Maybe some similarities.  What we need is a Trump.  Trump is not a Republican either.  But he has made some good promises, some being expensive.  For example, cutting corporate taxes from 35 to 15%.  This will have a big effect on Canada because Trudeau is not likely to care while some corporations might move to the U.S. where taxes will be lower.  He plans to build the U.S. military up and build the wall is expensive but will create a lot of jobs in the U.S.   Both good moves.  Let's see how it goes.

Left leaning governments in Canada are ruining this country in a number of ways.  Putting us into deficit, increasing taxes with the carbon pricing.  Trying to create a nanny state where government will provide everything but will have to raise taxes considerably to do it.  Also legalizing pot will cost Canadians a lot.  New electronic impairment marijuana testers for police across the country will cost possibly $1500 each plus training all police forces.  This will cost tens of millions of dollars or more.  Then replacing them in a few years when newer technology comes out.  There's no end to it.   Creating a bureaucracy to administer the pot industry, federal and provincial will mean an army of civil servants on the taxpayer dole.  More impaired drivers, more court time, more lawyer costs.  Legal aid.. judges.   more costs.  Plus pot is said to cause some anxiety problems with some people.  Could be more mental health expenses for government.  The thing is most Canadians do not take marijuana but will be forced to pay for all the policing, etc. that could run into hundreds of millions of dollars.

Edited April 30, 2017 by blackbird

[bush_cheney2004]

On 4/29/2017 at 1:18 AM, SpankyMcFarland said:

For starters, car manufacture would take a big hit without NAFTA. The supply chains would be all over the place. Any US businessperson losing out would be very noisy.

 

Canada's federal and provincial governments are expending a lot of energy trying to remind Americans just how important Canada is to supply chains and American jobs.    Going in the other direction, the Americans never have to explain this to Canadians.

[Michael Hardner]

8 hours ago, blackbird said:

1) But he has made some good promises, some being expensive.  For example, cutting corporate taxes from 35 to 15%. 

2) He plans to build the U.S. military up and build the wall is expensive but will create a lot of jobs in the U.S.    

3) Left leaning governments in Canada are ruining this country in a number of ways.  Putting us into deficit...

4) Trying to create a nanny state where government will provide everything but will have to raise taxes considerably to do it. 

5) Also legalizing pot will cost Canadians a lot.  New electronic impairment marijuana testers for police across the country will cost possibly $1500 each plus training all police forces.  This will cost tens of millions of dollars or more.   

6) Creating a bureaucracy to administer the pot industry, federal and provincial will mean an army of civil servants on the taxpayer dole.   

Looking at a lot of your statements, they focus on aspect of Trump's sometimes-stated plans but not the big picture.  As such there are some glaring contradictions I see.

1) contracts 3) - "Promises being expensive" is exactly what you complain about governments who put us into deficit do.  The corporate tax rate will create an immediate and huge deficit and there's no evidence that there will be enough jobs created to fill that deficit.  

2) also contracts 3) - building a wall is an expensive government make-work project that will "create jobs" but so would digging holes and filling them in again.  There's no clear economic benefit of this wall, so more deficit.

4) Fair enough, but providing "everything" whatever that is, is sometimes a service with benefits to individuals, eg. childcare/healthcare.  A wall doesn't provide a solid benefit that validates the cost involved.

5) There are savings in law enforcement, court costs associated with legalization that you haven't mentioned.

6) When NAFTA goes away, there will be an army of bureaucrats administering tariffs on the goods American buy, so that they can be taxed.  Just pointing this out.

It seems to me that you care about the so-called bottom line, and so do I.  It's just not clear to me that you have looked at the big picture of costs/benefits.  I'm open-minded when it comes to such policy questions, which is why I'm open to freer trade.  I was convinced of the case for it over time, though I was against FTA at the beginning.

But I have to be convinced by numbers and the full picture.

[Omni]

9 hours ago, blackbird said:

Maybe some similarities.  What we need is a Trump.  Trump is not a Republican either.  But he has made some good promises, some being expensive.  For example, cutting corporate taxes from 35 to 15%.  This will have a big effect on Canada because Trudeau is not likely to care while some corporations might move to the U.S. where taxes will be lower.  He plans to build the U.S. military up and build the wall is expensive but will create a lot of jobs in the U.S.   Both good moves.  Let's see how it goes.

Left leaning governments in Canada are ruining this country in a number of ways.  Putting us into deficit, increasing taxes with the carbon pricing.  Trying to create a nanny state where government will provide everything but will have to raise taxes considerably to do it.  Also legalizing pot will cost Canadians a lot.  New electronic impairment marijuana testers for police across the country will cost possibly $1500 each plus training all police forces.  This will cost tens of millions of dollars or more.  Then replacing them in a few years when newer technology comes out.  There's no end to it.   Creating a bureaucracy to administer the pot industry, federal and provincial will mean an army of civil servants on the taxpayer dole.  More impaired drivers, more court time, more lawyer costs.  Legal aid.. judges.   more costs.  Plus pot is said to cause some anxiety problems with some people.  Could be more mental health expenses for government.  The thing is most Canadians do not take marijuana but will be forced to pay for all the policing, etc. that could run into hundreds of millions of dollars.

Who are you trying to kid? Trump's little tax plan, assuming he ever actually gets anything done, will drive their deficit/debt into the ozone. A working couple will continue to pay 24% while fat cats like Trump will pay 15, and that's only on the money they don't hide offshore. If you don't like pot them don't smoke it, eat it, etc. but if you don't think people will continue to use it, legal or not, think again, but look at how various States have profited greatly from legalization and how so many more are heading toward that cash cow. Also I think if I was going to smoke, pot I'd prefer a product created under gov't supervision rather than grown in somebody's basement, just as I'd rather sip a whiskey that was not created in someone's backyard still. 

[bush_cheney2004]

Canada apes Trump in politics.....

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Suddenly Canadian politicians are making claims of vote rigging, calling others ‘losers’ and complaining about ‘fake news’. Sound familiar?

http://www.macleans.ca/news/canada/5-ways-trump-has-already-poisoned-canadian-politics/

[Omni]

I liked the joke that explained why the leader of the US didn't show at the correspondents dinner was because of the time difference between Washington and Moscow. 

[Wilber]

Actually he had a Formula 1 race to watch in Sochi.

[bush_cheney2004]

Time to start collecting softwood lumber countervailing tariff cash from the Canadian dumpers:

 

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Cash Deposits Now Required on Imports of Softwood Lumber Products from Canada

 

The International Trade Administration of the U.S. Department of Commerce today published in the Federal Register the preliminary countervailing duty determination on softwood lumber from Canada.  This means that April 28, 2017 is the effective date of cash deposit requirements on imports of softwood lumber products from Canada. 

 

Cash Deposits Explained:

 

With the official publication of its preliminary countervailing duty determination, the Department of Commerce will order the collection of cash deposits on imports of softwood lumber from Canada. 

 

https://t.e2ma.net/message/twvuu4b/5puek

 

[Omni]

3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Time to start collecting softwood lumber countervailing tariff cash from the Canadian dumpers:

 

 

Make sure to keep that cash handy, the WTO will be giving it back to us a little later.

[Queenmandy85]

Blackbird, your concerns over pot enforcement overlooks the fact that people are already driving stoned. Developing roadside tests may reduce the cost by introducing a credible deterrent.

[SpankyMcFarland]

Instinctively, Trump prefers demagogues, goons like Duterte and Erdogan. Canadian politicians are not to his taste. 

Edited May 7, 2017 by SpankyMcFarland

[bush_cheney2004]

2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Instinctively, Trump prefers demagogues, goons like Duterte and Erdogan. Canadian politicians are not to his taste. 

 

Agreed....Trump likes more dynamic leadership.   To President Trump, Canadian politicians are "low energy".  

[Omni]

2 hours ago, SpankyMcFarland said:

Instinctively, Trump prefers demagogues, goons like Duterte and Erdogan. Canadian politicians are not to his taste. 

Hey you forgot to mention Fat Kim, Trump would be "honored" to welcome this murdering knuckle dragger to the WH.

[bush_cheney2004]

Ontario wants to spread Kathleen Wynne disease to the United States...no thanks !

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/ontario-u-s-trade-lobbying-buy-american-1.4106444

 

[bush_cheney2004]

The Canadian and Mexican NAFTA trade teams are trying their best to convince the Americans how important they are as customers.

The American trade team doesn't have to do that.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/freeland-mexico-canada-trump-1.4128400

 

Edited May 23, 2017 by bush_cheney2004

[Omni]

27 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

The Canadian and Mexican NAFTA trade teams are trying their best to convince the Americans how important they are as customers.

The American trade team doesn't have to do that.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/freeland-mexico-canada-trump-1.4128400

 

Actual data, that will scare/confuse Trump, but if he wants to negotiate as he says he does, he better get used to it. Freeland for one knows of what she speaks.

[bush_cheney2004]

The Americans don't have to convince Canada or Mexico how important U.S. trade is. 

Freeland's crying tears won't help her this time.

[Omni]

8 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

The Americans don't have to convince Canada or Mexico how important U.S. trade is. 

Freeland's crying tears won't help her this time.

38 states might just disagree with you.

[bush_cheney2004]

U.S. trade reps are not frantically visiting Mexican or Canadian state/provincial or federal leaders to convince them how important the U.S. market is.

Because they don't have to....

[Omni]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

U.S. trade reps are not frantically visiting Mexican or Canadian state/provincial or federal leaders to convince them how important the U.S. market is.

Because they don't have to....

Probably because their boss is in such a quandary at the moment. 

[bush_cheney2004]

I say again...because the Americans don't have to.   The Canadians and Mexicans believe that they do....a lot.