The_Squid Posted August 26, 2016 Report Posted August 26, 2016 That's right...her choice in the USA...and a poor example to offer up in defense of racist and sexist segregation policies in Canada. This type of thing never would happen in the USA.... No siree..... http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/USA-Update/2016/0602/Gender-segregated-hours-for-Hasidic-swimmers-make-a-splash-in-Brooklyn
dialamah Posted August 26, 2016 Report Posted August 26, 2016 A practice of reading the Lord's prayer many decades ago was quite acceptable as Canada was mainly a Christian country. That changed after we started to flood Canada with numerous other religions and cultures, and from what we were told it had to cease as this would offend other religions who were not of the Christian faith. Aw well, to darn bad for them. Life sucks at times. I guess no one bothered to tell them that they are now living in Canada, and this is the way things are done here. You don't like it then leave the country. Canada has become one big suck for the rest of the world to suck off. Canadians will do whatever they can to please the rest of the world and their values. Canadian values and morals and principles be dammed. Sad indeed. I'm not at all religious (other than a brief stint as a JW), nor were my parents and I found saying the Lord's prayer every morning at school weird and uncomfortable once I realized what it was. I was glad that it was gone by the time my kids were in school; why should the education system assume kids should follow any religion at all? I'm no more interested in having Christianity forced down my throat than you would be if you were forced to pray five times a day.
Big Guy Posted August 26, 2016 Report Posted August 26, 2016 I guess there is a reason why democracies have a judicial system that is separate from the politics. Sane Decision Thank God there are some sane individuals on this earth. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Hal 9000 Posted August 26, 2016 Report Posted August 26, 2016 (edited) The liberals are always gonna have a conundrum trying to please both the muslims and women (not to mention gays). With the muslims also having minority status and racism on their side, they always seem to come out ahead of women. BTW - The "burkina" thing is stupid, the totally wrong fight and if it's struck down then that's a good thing. Edited August 26, 2016 by Hal 9000 The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
DogOnPorch Posted August 26, 2016 Report Posted August 26, 2016 Islam still isn't a race of people. It's a religion and political ideology. Both you and I could convert today by simply reciting the Shahada with witnesses. But, as far as Allah is concerned, merely reciting the Shahada is enough to make one Muslim. No witnesses needed. In fact, if you reject the idea found in the Shahada...even as a non-believer...you have a one way ticket to the Inferno. It covers all the bases...I'll give Islam that. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Big Guy Posted August 26, 2016 Report Posted August 26, 2016 Islam still isn't a race of people. It's a religion and political ideology. Both you and I could convert today by simply reciting the Shahada with witnesses. But, as far as Allah is concerned, merely reciting the Shahada is enough to make one Muslim. No witnesses needed. In fact, if you reject the idea found in the Shahada...even as a non-believer...you have a one way ticket to the Inferno. It covers all the bases...I'll give Islam that. I always thought that religion and spirituality was just between the individual and their God. Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
DogOnPorch Posted August 26, 2016 Report Posted August 26, 2016 I always thought that religion and spirituality was just between the individual and their God. That's nice. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Hal 9000 Posted August 26, 2016 Report Posted August 26, 2016 Islam still isn't a race of people. It's a religion and political ideology. Both you and I could convert today by simply reciting the Shahada with witnesses. But, as far as Allah is concerned, merely reciting the Shahada is enough to make one Muslim. No witnesses needed. In fact, if you reject the idea found in the Shahada...even as a non-believer...you have a one way ticket to the Inferno. It covers all the bases...I'll give Islam that. Yes, I know. However, to say anything against Islam is met with "racism" comments, I've decided to just go with it. The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
Big Guy Posted August 26, 2016 Report Posted August 26, 2016 (edited) That's nice. I am glad you agree. I believe that in most cases in developed countries it is the individual who seeks the religion. Not everybody is "religious" to the point where their religion begins to dictate their life style. Most people are "cafeteria" Catholics or Protestants or Muslims or Hindus, Buddhists, Jainisms or Sikhs or ... I believe that those who subscribe to any particular religion cherry pick parts of their tenets as guides for their lifestyle. There are millions of divorced Catholics and millions of Jews who do not eat only kosher food. There are more and more people on this earth who are seeking answers and are not finding them in any specific religion so they choose to create their own around some traditional base. The need for spirituality is very personal and can be personalized to individual need. I have found that when a person describes themselves as a Catholic or Jew or Muslim or whatever, what they are describing is the base of their personally molded philosophy of life. Edited August 26, 2016 by Big Guy Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
eyeball Posted August 26, 2016 Report Posted August 26, 2016 (edited) Islam still isn't a race of people.It's definitely racist the way you people apply the term. Edited August 26, 2016 by eyeball I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
The_Squid Posted August 26, 2016 Report Posted August 26, 2016 It's definitely racist the way you people apply the term. It's more like antisemitism rather than racism... I guess people call it "Islamophobia".
taxme Posted August 27, 2016 Report Posted August 27, 2016 The liberals are always gonna have a conundrum trying to please both the muslims and women (not to mention gays). With the muslims also having minority status and racism on their side, they always seem to come out ahead of women. BTW - The "burkina" thing is stupid, the totally wrong fight and if it's struck down then that's a good thing. I could careless what they wear at the beach. Let them sweat like hell sitting on the beach in the noon day sun. Besides, why are they at the beach all covered up anyway? Don't we all go to the beach to get a tan? I just don't get these muslim people. They have silly butt religious rules that they live by. Here they get a chance to take it just about all off by living in a non-muslim country, and they still want to stay covered up in the sun. There is something wrong with this picture, and these people.
Guest Posted August 27, 2016 Report Posted August 27, 2016 It's definitely racist the way you people apply the term. No it isn't. It's racist the way you people apply the term. You people are willing to tolerate (or ignore) behaviour in the name of Islam that you most certainly would not tolerate were WASPs doing it. Racism.
eyeball Posted August 27, 2016 Report Posted August 27, 2016 What behavior? Be specific. I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Guest Posted August 27, 2016 Report Posted August 27, 2016 What behavior? Be specific. Don't be childish, now. This isn't Elementary School.
dialamah Posted August 27, 2016 Report Posted August 27, 2016 No it isn't. It's racist the way you people apply the term. You people are willing to tolerate (or ignore) behaviour in the name of Islam that you most certainly would not tolerate were WASPs doing it. Racis I'm not willing to tolerate or ignore behavior in the name of Islam that I would not tolerate were WASPS doing it. If a WASP beats his wife, that's just as unacceptable as a Muslim beating his wife. If a WASP rapes a 12-year-old, it's just as unacceptable as a Muslim raping a 12-year-old. That some people can't differentiate between *groups* and *individuals* doesn't mean those who can give certain people a pass on unacceptable behavior. It means they want to hold the *individual* responsible for their behavior, not an entire group.
DogOnPorch Posted August 27, 2016 Report Posted August 27, 2016 Yes, I know. However, to say anything against Islam is met with "racism" comments, I've decided to just go with it. Hah! We have had a few already. No worries, I have mine. I am glad you agree. I believe that in most cases in developed countries it is the individual who seeks the religion. Not everybody is "religious" to the point where their religion begins to dictate their life style. Most people are "cafeteria" Catholics or Protestants or Muslims or Hindus, Buddhists, Jainisms or Sikhs or ... I believe that those who subscribe to any particular religion cherry pick parts of their tenets as guides for their lifestyle. There are millions of divorced Catholics and millions of Jews who do not eat only kosher food. There are more and more people on this earth who are seeking answers and are not finding them in any specific religion so they choose to create their own around some traditional base. The need for spirituality is very personal and can be personalized to individual need. I have found that when a person describes themselves as a Catholic or Jew or Muslim or whatever, what they are describing is the base of their personally molded philosophy of life. Yes...Oskar Schindler was one of those nice Nazis. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Argus Posted August 27, 2016 Report Posted August 27, 2016 That some people can't differentiate between *groups* and *individuals* doesn't mean those who can give certain people a pass on unacceptable behavior. It means they want to hold the *individual* responsible for their behavior, not an entire group. That's a sophomoric complaint. We're talking about a group who worship according to very well known tenets and beliefs. To suggest the group doesn't believe in the same things as the religion is a peculiarly close-minded western way of looking at things which assumes everyone thinks the way you do. Well, they don't. Muslims are not Muslims on the rare occasion they go to mosque. They're Muslims all the time, especially those who wear hijabs and insist on gender segregation. If you're religious enough to wear a hijab or burka everywhere you go and believe in gender segregation then you also believe in the other tenets and requirements of Islam, like homosexuals being executed and women being the property of men. Being religious does not let you pick and choose among what you accept in your religion's teaching unless you're of that secular western mindset. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 27, 2016 Report Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) The RCMP announcement of allowing women to wear hijabs is the kind of thing some goofy, ignorant, fresh faced white boy would come up with to show how inclusive the department is. And it shows an astonishing ignorance of Islam's requirement for gender segregation. As I have already posted, there is no dispute among Muslim authorities or scholars about the requirement that women and men not meet or converse socially unless they are family. A woman who is religious enough to wear a hijab is incapable of being a police officer in Canada, for that would require her to interact with strange men daily, without any chaperone! She might have to drive around all day alone with a strange man, her partner. It would also require that she touch strange men, even wrestle with them to get handcuffs on them! There is no way a religious Muslim woman would ever do such a thing and no way in hell her family, much less her husband, would ever accept it. Edited August 27, 2016 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
CITIZEN_2015 Posted August 27, 2016 Report Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) A woman should never be prevented from wearing a burkina, or a bikini, on any beach in the world. Edit> In the interests of equality, neither should a man. Good statement. I agree. I would add that a woman must not be forced wearing a burka or hejab in any beach either. Edited August 28, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015
?Impact Posted August 27, 2016 Report Posted August 27, 2016 What does wearing the hijab have to do with being subservient to a husband and being incapable of interacting with men? Perhaps Argus needs to meet and interact with many of the women who wear the hijab, it might open his eyes.
Argus Posted August 27, 2016 Report Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) What does wearing the hijab have to do with being subservient to a husband and being incapable of interacting with men? Perhaps Argus needs to meet and interact with many of the women who wear the hijab, it might open his eyes. But religious Muslim women are forbidden to socialize with men who are not family members. Or did you forget that? Under Islamic law, it is not permissible for men and women to freely mix or socialize with non Mahram men under any circumstances. Islamic scholars are unanimous on this matter because the prophet of Islam left behind his words: “I have not left behind me any temptation more harmful for men than women” Edited August 27, 2016 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
CITIZEN_2015 Posted August 27, 2016 Report Posted August 27, 2016 (edited) What does wearing the hijab have to do with being subservient to a husband and being incapable of interacting with men? It is a symbol of oppression for sure. Suppression of women's right and freedom of choice How can you or anyone deny this fact is beyond me. If wearing of hejab was a choice then one could argue you may be right BUT we know that in many regions of the world many women (millions likely hundreds of millions) are forced to wear hejab either forced by their oppressive government or family (father, brother, uncle.....). This symbol therefore stands for suppression of human and women's rights. Edited August 28, 2016 by CITIZEN_2015
Guest Posted August 28, 2016 Report Posted August 28, 2016 Good statement. I agree. I would add that a woman must not be forced wearing a burka or hejab in any beach either. Absolutely. Not just on a beach. Anywhere.
Guest Posted August 28, 2016 Report Posted August 28, 2016 I'm not willing to tolerate or ignore behavior in the name of Islam that I would not tolerate were WASPS doing it. If a WASP beats his wife, that's just as unacceptable as a Muslim beating his wife. If a WASP rapes a 12-year-old, it's just as unacceptable as a Muslim raping a 12-year-old. That some people can't differentiate between *groups* and *individuals* doesn't mean those who can give certain people a pass on unacceptable behavior. It means they want to hold the *individual* responsible for their behavior, not an entire group. If the WASP did it because they were a WASP, and their interpretation of WASP rules dictated that they do it, or the WASP influence on their culture was a factor in what they did, you would not be called a racist, or accused of tarring all WASPs with the same brush, if you mentioned such. Not by me, at least.
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