GostHacked Posted June 18, 2016 Report Posted June 18, 2016 Not to terrorism. To Islam. Regardless how and why did the FBI miss this guy? All this security and surveillance that is everywhere failed to do what it was claimed to do? Meaning preventing terror attacks just like this. I am more concerned that the FBI will make the same mistake with a future catch and release. Quote
Guest Posted June 18, 2016 Report Posted June 18, 2016 (edited) Regardless how and why did the FBI miss this guy? All this security and surveillance that is everywhere failed to do what it was claimed to do? Meaning preventing terror attacks just like this. I am more concerned that the FBI will make the same mistake with a future catch and release. From what I've read, miserably little, I admit, it seems like they didn't miss him, so much as couldn't find reasons to do anything about it. I'm on the side of caution here. I would have had this guy surveilled so bad the FBI would have been cooking his meals. I would have told him too. What's the harm in saying to certain people, "we're watching you"? Edited June 18, 2016 by bcsapper Quote
GostHacked Posted June 18, 2016 Report Posted June 18, 2016 From what I've read, miserably little, I admit, it seems like they didn't miss him, so much as couldn't find reasons to do anything about it. I'm on the side of caution here. I would have had this guy surveilled so bad the FBI would have been cooking his meals. I would have told him too. What's the harm in saying to certain people, "we're watching you"? More and more are coming out about this person and his violent past which the authorities must have known about in order to detain him a couple times. Quote
Argus Posted June 18, 2016 Report Posted June 18, 2016 You should not get offended when someone offers you knowledge. What about when that knowledge comes from the most vile recesses of a mind filled with hate for everything western? Terrorists attacks in Western countries happen in correlation with the West's activities abroad. Especially military activities. Meaning that, as pointed out in a previous post that you're unable to comprehend, our policies are the major reason why we're seeing terrorism landing in our own backyard. If your only news source wasn't Al Jazeera you'd probably know that western military forces have been operating all over the world for the last fifty years. Yet the only people who have taken murderous offense and attacked western civilians in their own cities have been Muslims. Furthermore, the military intervention in the middle east has not drawn attacks from THOSE areas, so much as other Muslim peoples. It was mainly Saudis who attacked the World Trade Center, for example. All the known Paris attackers were EU citizens, most of north African descent. The worst attackers in the US, aside from WTC, have been American citizens, while the attacks in Canada have been by Canadian citizens. So using the narrative that Muslim attacks on the West are because of western military intervention in other countries to excuse those attacks runs afoul of reality pretty quickly. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 18, 2016 Report Posted June 18, 2016 Holy hell, it's like Bill O'Reilly wrote this post. I think O'Reilly is basically the right wing equivilent to your far leftist views and attitudes, isn't he? Like you, he's a fan of conspiracy theories, and like you, evidence and logic are concepts which frighten him. We know you don't care about things in other countries, And yet again I have to attempt to explain to you that what I asked is why no one in those other countries is coming to Paris or London or New York to blow things up or attack western civilians or blow up airliners. GIven how active the French military has been in sub-Saharan African the last thirty years, why aren't Africans blowing up Cafe's in Paris? No Asians went to the US and started blowing things up due to its active military intervention there either. Instead, those lucky enough to get into the US are, like the Africans lucky enough to get to live in Paris, delighted at their good fortune. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
cybercoma Posted June 19, 2016 Report Posted June 19, 2016 (edited) It's not dismissing the other points, the emphasis is that mentally unstable people often shoot up places. Were the shootings in Aurora (Adam Lanza) and Sandy Hook considered terror attacks? The common factors are access to weapons and a questionable state of mind. Looking at all three of those incidents and Islam is only tied (very loosely in my opinion) into one of these three. Hell you don't have to go that far back. A politically motivated murder happened this week in the UK. Not Muslim, so not a terrorist, Edited June 19, 2016 by cybercoma Quote
cybercoma Posted June 19, 2016 Report Posted June 19, 2016 (edited) What about when that knowledge comes from the most vile recesses of a mind filled with hate for everything western?Fallacy of the week. Edited June 19, 2016 by cybercoma Quote
Hal 9000 Posted June 19, 2016 Report Posted June 19, 2016 Hell you don't have to go that far back. A politically motivated murder happened this week in the UK. Not Muslim, so not a terrorist, Do you actually know what "terrorism" is? Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
waldo Posted June 19, 2016 Report Posted June 19, 2016 (edited) Do you actually know what "terrorism" is? apparently... only killing done by Muslims - amirite? . Edited June 19, 2016 by waldo Quote
marcus Posted June 19, 2016 Report Posted June 19, 2016 (edited) What about when that knowledge comes from the most vile recesses of a mind filled with hate for everything western? If your only news source wasn't Al Jazeera you'd probably know that western military forces have been operating all over the world for the last fifty years. Yet the only people who have taken murderous offense and attacked western civilians in their own cities have been Muslims. Furthermore, the military intervention in the middle east has not drawn attacks from THOSE areas, so much as other Muslim peoples. It was mainly Saudis who attacked the World Trade Center, for example. All the known Paris attackers were EU citizens, most of north African descent. The worst attackers in the US, aside from WTC, have been American citizens, while the attacks in Canada have been by Canadian citizens. So using the narrative that Muslim attacks on the West are because of western military intervention in other countries to excuse those attacks runs afoul of reality pretty quickly. Yawn. More false narrative. Let me cut and paste, because I just don't see the value in taking the time to type to someone who resists reality so much. The START Global Terrorism Database spans from 1970 through 2012 (and will be updated from year-to-year), and – as of this writing – includes 104,000 terrorist incidents. As such, it is the most comprehensive open-source database open to the public. Approximately 2,400 terrorist attacks on U.S. soil contained within the START database, we determined that approximately 60 were carried out by Muslims. Approximately 2.5% of all terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1970 and 2012 were carried out by Muslims. This is a tiny proportion of all attacks. Approximately 118 of the terror attacks – or 4.9% – were carried out by Jewish groups such as Jewish Armed Resistance, the Jewish Defense League, Jewish Action Movement, United Jewish Underground and Thunder of Zion. This is almost twice the percentage of Islamic attacks within the United States. Edited June 19, 2016 by marcus Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
Guest Posted June 19, 2016 Report Posted June 19, 2016 (edited) Yawn. More false narrative. Let me cut and paste, because I just don't see the value in taking the time to type to someone who resists reality so much. The START Global Terrorism Database spans from 1970 through 2012 (and will be updated from year-to-year), and – as of this writing – includes 104,000 terrorist incidents. As such, it is the most comprehensive open-source database open to the public. Approximately 2,400 terrorist attacks on U.S. soil contained within the START database, we determined that approximately 60 were carried out by Muslims. Approximately 2.5% of all terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1970 and 2012 were carried out by Muslims. This is a tiny proportion of all attacks. Approximately 118 of the terror attacks – or 4.9% – were carried out by Jewish groups such as Jewish Armed Resistance, the Jewish Defense League, Jewish Action Movement, United Jewish Underground and Thunder of Zion. This is almost twice the percentage of Islamic attacks within the United States. I thought only Muslims could carry out terrorist attacks! What are these START people thinking? - sarcasm. Edit. I figured I'd better include some kind of annotation that indicated I was being sarcastic. You never know what depths to which some posters will stoop. Edited June 19, 2016 by bcsapper Quote
Argus Posted June 19, 2016 Report Posted June 19, 2016 Approximately 2.5% of all terrorist attacks on U.S. soil between 1970 and 2012 were carried out by Muslims. This is a tiny proportion of all attacks. Approximately 118 of the terror attacks – or 4.9% – were carried out by Jewish groups such as Jewish Armed Resistance, the Jewish Defense League, Jewish Action Movement, United Jewish Underground and Thunder of Zion. This is almost twice the percentage of Islamic attacks within the United States. Yeah, I figured you'd want to get at least one shot in against the dreaded Jew. I note there's no list provided, but I'm somehow doubting there have been any cases of Jews blowing up buildings full of ordinary people, or shooting up restaurants or nightclubs any time in the last thirty or forty odd years. Nobody is afraid of Jewish terrorists. Maybe you might want to give that some consideration. It's not because everyone loves Jews, either. And I'm willing to bet 95% of your 'terrorist' attacks consisted of one guy shooting a couple of other guys. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted June 19, 2016 Report Posted June 19, 2016 I thought only Muslims could carry out terrorist attacks! What are these START people thinking? - sarcasm. Edit. I figured I'd better include some kind of annotation that indicated I was being sarcastic. You never know what depths to which some posters will stoop. How long do you think it would take us to start looking askance at Japanese if they started blowing up buildings and airliners and shooting up bars and restaurants out of some kind of fanatical nihilist religious belief? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Guest Posted June 19, 2016 Report Posted June 19, 2016 How long do you think it would take us to start looking askance at Japanese if they started blowing up buildings and airliners and shooting up bars and restaurants out of some kind of fanatical nihilist religious belief? Not as fast as some would tell us not to, regardless of the evidence. Quote
Hal 9000 Posted June 19, 2016 Report Posted June 19, 2016 I think what we're seeing here is the left attempting (successfully too) to redefine the term "terrorism". Pretty soon everything will be terrorism and therefore nothing will be terrorism. Quote The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so. - Ronald Reagan I have said that the Western world is just as violent as the Islamic world - Dialamah Europe seems to excel at fooling people to immigrate there from the ME only to chew them up and spit them back. - Eyeball Unfortunately our policies have contributed to retarding and limiting their (Muslim's) society's natural progression towards the same enlightened state we take for granted. - Eyeball
marcus Posted June 19, 2016 Report Posted June 19, 2016 Nobody is afraid of I get it, you're afraid of Muslims (terrorists). Next time when you cross the street, fearing that a random Muslim is going to blow himself up and kill you in the process, remember that the chances of being killed in a terrorist attack are about 1 in 20 million. You are more likely to be killed by your own furniture, and more likely to die in a car accident, drown in a bathtub, or in a building fire than from a terrorist attack. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
?Impact Posted June 19, 2016 Report Posted June 19, 2016 killed by your own furniture Do you have that nightmare too, about being trapped in the folding sofa bed? Quote
Guest Posted June 19, 2016 Report Posted June 19, 2016 Do you have that nightmare too, about being trapped in the folding sofa bed? Not all sofa beds... Quote
marcus Posted June 19, 2016 Report Posted June 19, 2016 Do you have that nightmare too, about being trapped in the folding sofa bed? Only in those few seconds when I'm not quivering and thinking about the scary Muslims coming to get me. Quote "What do you think of Western civilization?" Gandhi was asked. "I think it would be a good idea," he said.
sharkman Posted June 19, 2016 Report Posted June 19, 2016 Only in those few seconds when I'm not quivering and thinking about the scary Muslims coming to get me. It sounds like you "quiver" in your bed quite a lot. Quote
Guest Posted June 19, 2016 Report Posted June 19, 2016 It sounds like you "quiver" in your bed quite a lot. If one is afraid of sofa beds, I imagine quivering comes easy. Quote
eyeball Posted June 20, 2016 Report Posted June 20, 2016 Not all sofa beds... Let me guess, just the one's with radical Islamists hiding under them. Quote I said now watch what you say they'll be calling you a radical, a liberal, oh fanatical criminal
Guest Posted June 20, 2016 Report Posted June 20, 2016 Let me guess, just the one's with radical Islamists hiding under them. You can't tar them all with the same brush. They probably don't get to choose who hides under them. Quote
cybercoma Posted June 20, 2016 Report Posted June 20, 2016 Do you actually know what "terrorism" is? Do you? Quote
cybercoma Posted June 20, 2016 Report Posted June 20, 2016 Pretty soon everything will be terrorism You know this is a fallacy, right? Quote
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