GostHacked Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 You know this is a fallacy, right? Not really that much of a fallacy when anything can be labeled as terrorism and one can be detained without charge indefinitely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercoma Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 You're talking about something completely different from HAL, but you're also committing the same fallacy. I provided the definition of terrorism in the link embedded in the previous reply. There's a very specific condition that MP Cox's murder fits, but the Orlando Nightclub shooting arguably does not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 I get it, you're afraid of Muslims (terrorists). Right, I'm just not as manly as someone who spends all his time railing about those awful Jews. Next time when you cross the street, fearing that a random Muslim is going to blow himself up and kill you in the process, remember that the chances of being killed in a terrorist attack are about 1 in 20 million Utterly irrelevant to the discussion, but thanks for coming out and wasting everyone's time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GostHacked Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 You're talking about something completely different from HAL, but you're also committing the same fallacy. I provided the definition of terrorism in the link embedded in the previous reply. There's a very specific condition that MP Cox's murder fits, but the Orlando Nightclub shooting arguably does not. I understand where you are coming from, but with items like the NDAA the definition of terrorism has been modified to include almost anything that would be considered a crime. http://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2011/12/05/the-national-defense-authorization-act-is-the-greatest-threat-to-civil-liberties-americans-face/#7aadcd7f4444 If Obama does one thing for the remainder of his presidency let it be a veto of the National Defense Authorization Act – a law recently passed by the Senate which would place domestic terror investigations and interrogations into the hands of the military and which would open the door for trial-free, indefinite detention of anyone, including American citizens, so long as the government calls them terrorists. So much for innocent until proven guilty. So much for limited government. What Americans are now facing is quite literally the end of the line. We will either uphold the freedoms baked into our Constitutional Republic, or we will scrap the entire project in the name of security as we wage, endlessly, this futile, costly, and ultimately self-defeating War on Terror. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcus Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 Right, I'm just not as manly as someone who spends all his time railing about those awful Jews. Utterly irrelevant to the discussion, but thanks for coming out and wasting everyone's time. Jews have made huge contribution to our society, including their fight in standing up for human rights. As a matter of fact, there are many Jews who fight for the rights of Palestinians. But who cares if I have continuously clearly made the point that being anti-Zionist has nothing to do about my feelings about Jews, right? You are desperate, so you flash the anti-semite card when you are cornered with facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) Jews have made huge contribution to our society, including their fight in standing up for human rights. As a matter of fact, there are many Jews who fight for the rights of Palestinians. But who cares if I have continuously clearly made the point that being anti-Zionist has nothing to do about my feelings about Jews, right? You are desperate, so you flash the anti-semite card when you are cornered with facts. Being Anti Islamist has nothing to do with my feelings for Muslims. That's a good way of putting it. Edited June 20, 2016 by bcsapper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 (edited) Jews have made huge contribution to our society, including their fight in standing up for human rights. As a matter of fact, there are many Jews who fight for the rights of Palestinians. But who cares if I have continuously clearly made the point that being anti-Zionist has nothing to do about my feelings about Jews, right? Sorry, I keep forgetting. There are some good Jews, it's just the 95% who support the existence of a Jewish state who need to be dealt with. Edited June 20, 2016 by Argus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 The senate blocked a bill that would prevent those on terrorist watch lists from legally buying weapons. WTF? http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/06/20/3790477/gun-control-votes/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 The senate blocked a bill that would prevent those on terrorist watch lists from legally buying weapons. Good...unlike the right to own/bear arms, flying is not a constitutional right. Due process and all that jazz don'tcha know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Good...unlike the right to own/bear arms, flying is not a constitutional right. Due process and all that jazz don'tcha know. Except 90% of republican and 85% of democrat Americans support it. So much for representing their communities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 The Republican Senators have received $36 million from the NRA. USA, the world's richest banana republic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Except 90% of republican and 85% of democrat Americans support it. So much for representing their communities. So what....Constitution and Supreme Court court have already spoken. Prior restraint based on a no-fly list....won't fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 (edited) So what....Constitution and Supreme Court court have already spoken. Prior restraint based on a no-fly list....won't fly.Will be interesting to see what happens in November. Maybe there will be another mass shooting just before the election.And the high support isn't just for no-fly list. Edited June 21, 2016 by WestCoastRunner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Will be interesting to see what happens in November. Maybe there will be another mass shooting just before the election. Maybe....mass shootings are no big deal compared to other homicides. Just better for TV ratings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Maybe....mass shootings are no big deal compared to other homicides. Just better for TV ratings. Right. Kindergarten kids gunned down, young partiers gunned down. No big deal. Its so normalized. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Maybe....mass shootings are no big deal compared to other homicides. Just better for TV ratings. That's the same attitude that says terrorist killings are no big deal because cars kill more people than terrorists. I still hate terrorists more than cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 That's the same attitude that says terrorist killings are no big deal because cars kill more people than terrorists. I still hate terrorists more than cars. What about the Lada or the Pontiac Aztek? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Right. Kindergarten kids gunned down, young partiers gunned down. No big deal. Its so normalized. Sorry....but it really is. Total gun homicide rates are at a 30 year low. Would it be better if "old partiers" were gunned down instead ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 That's the same attitude that says terrorist killings are no big deal because cars kill more people than terrorists. I still hate terrorists more than cars. Killin' is killin'....the rest is all politics. Motor vehicle (car) homicides total about 1,250,000...each year around the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Sorry....but it really is. Total gun homicide rates are at a 30 year low. Would it be better if "old partiers" were gunned down instead ? Probably at a 30 year low because law enforcement are better trained to handle mass shootings to reduce the number of deaths. Sure. Young partiers and kindergarten kids have their lives ahead of them. Old folks would gladly sacrifice their life to save a 6 year old or a 20 something person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 What about the Lada or the Pontiac Aztek? I just bury my head in the sand and think of Toyotas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Probably at a 30 year low because law enforcement are better trained to handle mass shootings to reduce the number of deaths. Sure. Young partiers and kindergarten kids have their lives ahead of them. Old folks would gladly sacrifice their life to save a 6 year old or a 20 something person. Uhhhmm..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Probably at a 30 year low because law enforcement are better trained to handle mass shootings to reduce the number of deaths. No...it's a combination of demographics changes/factors and the peak homicide years of '90's crack cocaine wars. Sure. Young partiers and kindergarten kids have their lives ahead of them. Old folks would gladly sacrifice their life to save a 6 year old or a 20 something person. Some would....others wouldn't. Abortions kill far more "children" each year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 No...it's a combination of demographics changes/factors and the peak homicide years of '90's crack cocaine wars. Some would....others wouldn't. Abortions kill far more "children" each year. If you want to talk about abortions start a new thread A low gun homicide rate doesn't excuse kindergarten children and young people 50 at a time from being executed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 If you want to talk about abortions start a new thread A low gun homicide rate doesn't excuse kindergarten children and young people 50 at a time from being executed. Of course...always get that response from some folks that are so concerned about "the children". Gun homicide rates are the metrics of this game. "Mass shootings" are a small part of the actual body count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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