America under President Trump

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Boges said:

Would be a shame if he gets impeached for illegally trying to dig up dirt on Biden but ends up facing Warren. 

He'll threaten to Audit "23 and Me" if they don't state that Warren has no First Nations background. 

 

Doesn't matter...they are all Democrats.  Same way some people still harp about Harper in Canada.

You spent most of the winter telling us how Trump was going down because of the Mueller Report, but that never happened.

So now you want to try again with Ukraine Gate ?

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Doesn't matter...they are all Democrats.  Same way some people still harp about Harper in Canada.

You spent most of the winter telling us how Trump was going down because of the Mueller Report, but that never happened.

So now you want to try again with Ukraine Gate ?

Now I? 

I thought I was a Canadian that had no power. I'm just calling it as I see it. 

To make you feel better, Trudeau is a pathetic hypocrite and a phoney. 

[Boges]

UGH. 

Reports are that Trump is demanding to know who talked to the Whistleblower. Calling them Spies. 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

Now I? 

I thought I was a Canadian that had no power. I'm just calling it as I see it. 

To make you feel better, Trudeau is a pathetic hypocrite and a phoney. 

 

But you were so certain that the Mueller Report was big trouble for Trump ...so what happened ?    Was your crystal ball's battery low on charge ?

Nothing to do with Trudeau....some Canadians still point at Harper to attack Scheer/Conservatives.

Trump can do the same with Obama/Biden/Clinton for 2020.

 

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

But you were so certain that the Mueller Report was big trouble for Trump ...so what happened ?    Was your crystal ball's battery low on charge ?

 

 

Lots of stuff happened with the Investigation. But the DOJ opinion hamstrung it from the start. He was not allowed to form a legal opinion on a sitting POTUS. 

Now should Trump lose in 2020. All the shady activity can then be acted on. 

This Ukrainian Scandal seems to be more politically advantageous as someone within the government made the claim. 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

Lots of stuff happened with the Investigation. But the DOJ opinion hamstrung it from the start. He was not allowed to form a legal opinion on a sitting POTUS. 

Now should Trump lose in 2020. All the shady activity can then be acted on. 

This Ukrainian Scandal seems to be more politically advantageous as someone within the government made the claim. 

 

So first...Trump would never win in 2016.

Then he would surely be impeached because of the Mueller Report.

After that failed miserably, the latest gambit is with Ukraine meddling and election "crimes".

Why is it so hard for all the Trump haters to get him ?

What is your next prediction ?    (That will likely be wrong again)

[Boges]

Just now, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

So first...Trump would never win in 2016.

Then he would surely be impeached because of the Mueller Report.

After that failed miserably, the latest gambit is with Ukraine meddling and election "crimes".

Why is it so hard for all the Trump haters to get him ?

What is your next prediction ?    (That will likely be wrong again)

I don't believe I ever say he wouldn't win in 2016. 

I also never thought he'd be impeached by Mueller. That's outside of Mueller's purview. 

With Ukraine, there's an official record to Trump committing a crime. Sooooo, a bit different. 

It's actually really good that the House waited. This scandal is far more juicy. 

[eyeball]

18 minutes ago, Boges said:

UGH. 

Reports are that Trump is demanding to know who talked to the Whistleblower. Calling them Spies. 

They're probably amongst the dozen or so White House officials who listened in on the call plus who knows how many Ukrainian officials.

Probably dying like goodfellas as we speak.

Edited September 26, 2019 by eyeball

[bush_cheney2004]

Just now, Boges said:

I don't believe I ever say he wouldn't win in 2016. 

I also never thought he'd be impeached by Mueller. That's outside of Mueller's purview. 

With Ukraine, there's an official record to Trump committing a crime. Sooooo, a bit different. 

It's actually really good that the House waited. This scandal is far more juicy. 

 

It's not just about you....Trump's critics said he was doomed before, and they were wrong...many times.

Mueller actually helped Trump in the end, vindicating him for Russian "collusion".

The House waited because Pelosi did not have the votes.

Impeachment is a political, not criminal process.

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Mueller actually helped Trump in the end, vindicating him for Russian "collusion".

The House waited because Pelosi did not have the votes.

Impeachment is a political, not criminal process.

But cited many instances of obstruction of justice. Isn't that what got Clinton? 

Pelosi has the votes now because this level of corruption is appalling. If you don't stand up to this, then what? 

[bush_cheney2004]

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

But cited many instances of obstruction of justice. Isn't that what got Clinton? 

Pelosi has the votes now because this level of corruption is appalling. If you don't stand up to this, then what? 

 

Obstruction was never sustained by Mueller.

Pelosi has votes now because Trump majority districts with Democrat House members are willing to take the risk (but not all of them).

Stand up to what ?    They didn't stand up to Obama killing American citizens with Hellfire missiles.

Edited September 26, 2019 by bush_cheney2004

[Boges]

Trump seems to be taking this Impeachment thing well. 

https://www.latimes.com/politics/story/2019-09-26/trump-at-private-breakfast-who-gave-the-whistle-blower-the-information-because-thats-almost-a-spy

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“Basically, that person never saw the report, never saw the call, he never saw the call — heard something and decided that he or she, or whoever the hell they saw — they’re almost a spy,” Trump said.

“I want to know who’s the person, who’s the person who gave the whistleblower the information? Because that’s close to a spy,” he continued. “You know what we used to do in the old days when we were smart? Right? The spies and treason, we used to handle it a little differently than we do now.”

Trump spoke at a private event at the Intercontinental Hotel in New York, where the president thanked the U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, Kelly Craft, and her staff as he wound up four days of meetings around the U.N. General Assembly.

 

Yeah that's not Trump musing about executing rats or anything. 

[bush_cheney2004]

In other news, a Gallup Poll shows that Americans' trust in mass media is down...."fake news" strikes again:

 

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WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Americans remain largely mistrustful of the mass media as 41% currently have "a great deal" or "fair amount" of trust in newspapers, television and radio to report the news "fully, accurately and fairly." This latest reading represents a four-percentage-point dip since last year and marks the end of improvements in back-to-back years after hitting an all-time low.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/267047/americans-trust-mass-media-edges-down.aspx

 

Call it the President Trump effect.

[Boges]

I thought polls where fake news.

And that article is from 2018. 

Edited September 26, 2019 by Boges

[bush_cheney2004]

10 minutes ago, Boges said:

I thought polls where fake news.

And that article is from 2018. 

 

Guess again.....

 

https://news.gallup.com/poll/267047/americans-trust-mass-media-edges-down.aspx

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Guess again.....

https://news.gallup.com/poll/267047/americans-trust-mass-media-edges-down.aspx

So about as popular as Trump. 

[bush_cheney2004]

9 minutes ago, Boges said:

So about as popular as Trump. 

 

Yes...also very popular in Canada, where U.S. media dominates.

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

I didn't care, she's not POTUS.

But Trump should back up his rhetoric. 

That's another stupid comment Boges. It's not illegal for the President to do something that's legal for a private citizen (Hillary) or a Vice-President (Biden). He is actually at liberty to discuss far more things than Hillary, but that's beside the point. 

I think that you must have known that when you gave your answer. You know that you're wrong and yet you feel compelled to just say something anyways, to give the impression that there's something to this. It's like CNN-lite. 

[Boges]

45 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

That's another stupid comment Boges. It's not illegal for the President to do something that's legal for a private citizen (Hillary) or a Vice-President (Biden). He is actually at liberty to discuss far more things than Hillary, but that's beside the point. 

I think that you must have known that when you gave your answer. You know that you're wrong and yet you feel compelled to just say something anyways, to give the impression that there's something to this. It's like CNN-lite. 

It's most certainly illegal to use Presidential powers for political gain. 

Again if there's evidence Hillary and Biden did so, they should be charged. 

[WestCanMan]

17 minutes ago, Boges said:

It's most certainly illegal to use Presidential powers for political gain. 

Again if there's evidence Hillary and Biden did so, they should be charged. 

Here, fyi:

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On Wednesday, Maguire denied a Washington Post report that he had threatened to turn in his resignation over concerns that the White House might try to make him stonewall Congress over the whistleblower controversy. 

There's WashPo for ya. One story, at least one huge lie.

Here's incontrovertible evidence that it was no big deal:

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House Intelligence Committee Chairman Adam Schiff, D-Calif., said it "exposed serious wrongdoing."

More info:

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Trump sought a review of former Vice President Joe Biden's efforts to have Ukraine's former top prosecutor fired. The president made the request on the call only after Zelensky first mentioned Ukraine's corruption issues, and after Trump separately requested as a "favor" that Ukraine help investigate foreign interference in the 2016 elections, including the hack of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) server involving the data security company CrowdStrike.

Here are some more lies that you might want to propagate:

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Multiple news outlets, including the New York Times, CNN, and the Washington Post, inaccurately reported that the "favor" related specifically to investigating Biden. The transcript also did not show that Trump leveraged military aid to Ukraine to obtain a "promise" on a Biden investigation, as a widely cited report in the Post had claimed.

So, one story, several outright lies, and here you are, caught championing the cause of fake news yet again.

WHEN WILL YOU EVER LEARN BOGES? You make Charlie Brown look a Hall of Fame placekicker.

[Yzermandius19]

7 hours ago, Boges said:

This will be a case of the coverup being worse than the crime. 

The Whistleblower complaint isn't about the call, it's about the White House's attempt to make sure no one see's the call. 

It's astonishing the White House released the transcript yesterday. They must really think it cleared Trump. 

The White House let everyone see the call. There was no crime, and there was no cover up, all you are doing is grasping at straws. The transcript showed that Democrats jumped the gun on a nothing burger again, but just like the last nothing burger they jumped the gun on, they refuse to admit that they made an obvious mistake and double down on the derp.

Edited September 26, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[egghead]

ukraine prosecutor fired because he was playing for the other team

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Solomon: These once-secret memos cast doubt on Joe Biden's Ukraine story

Former Vice President Joe Biden, now a 2020 Democratic presidential contender, has locked into a specific story about the controversy in Ukraine.

He insists that, in spring 2016, he strong-armed Ukraine to fire its chief prosecutor solely because Biden believed that official was corrupt and inept, not because the Ukrainian was investigating a natural gas company, Burisma Holdings, that hired Biden's son, Hunter, into a lucrative job.

There’s just one problem.

Hundreds of pages of never-released memos and documents — many from inside the American team helping Burisma to stave off its legal troubles — conflict with Biden’s narrative.

......

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/463307-solomon-these-once-secret-memos-cast-doubt-on-joe-bidens-ukraine-story

 

Edited September 27, 2019 by egghead

[WestCanMan]

FWIW:

US - Ukraine Treaty on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters:

https://www.state.gov/12978

It's a Bill Clinton era agreement between the US and the Ukraine to exchange information on criminal investigations/allegations. 

 

[WestCanMan]

2 hours ago, egghead said:

Hundreds of pages of never-released memos and documents — many from inside the American team helping Burisma to stave off its legal troubles — conflict with Biden’s narrative.

 

This is huge.

If there's proof that at any brief point in time that prosecutor was investigating Hunter Biden, then that probably constitutes a preponderance of evidence that Joe Biden's interference was part of an actual vendetta against the prosecutor. IE, Biden used the US government's leverage as a tool to exact revenge on someone who Biden considered a personal enemy.

Even if the investigation was over at the point Joe Biden demanded that the prosecutor had to be fired, a reasonable man would still conclude that if Biden took such strong action after the investigation was ended, he likely took just as strong action while the investigation was still underway. By his own account he was on his "12th or 13th trip to Kiev" when he placed that demand on the Ukranian government. No one would believe that he was so adamant about the prosecutor on that one trip but he was never interested at any point previously, especially if there was a time when his son was actually under investigation.

Biden's video was a smoking gun in his hand, if Hunter was ever investigated that's a bullet-hole is in a very damning spot, and Biden's hand is red.

 

Edited September 27, 2019 by WestCanMan
added awesomeness, as if it needed any more

[bush_cheney2004]

The socialist Democrats can harass Trump and take out Joe Biden at the same time:

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The Trump years have been rough on Democrats’ sensibilities, and their thinking has become increasingly addled as a result. The party has worked tirelessly to create an issue worthy of impeaching the president—Russia collusion, obstruction of justice, Stormy Daniels, tax returns. This week Democrats jettisoned all that in favor of the only issue that implicates their own front-runner for the nomination. Genius.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/taking-out-joe-biden-11569538710