America under President Trump

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

So forgive all numbers of sin from a person that you think will try to prevent people from aborting fetuses or giving rights to gay people. It's interesting how morality works that way. Sexual sin from a heterosexual "billionaire", that's cool. Same sex relationships. . . abomination to God. 

 

 

???    Many Christian denominations support same gender marriages and "gay rights".

Abortions were illegal regardless of religion not so long ago.

If you are betting on morality either way, it is a losing proposition.

[betsy]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

So Fox News would be cool with someone in the Obama administration making fun of someone with Terminal Brain Cancer? 

If Obama paid off a porn star a week before the 2008 election, would that have been just the price of being a celebrity? 

An exclamation point indicates exuberance. 

What's wrong with being happy about  what's written? 

 Who's talking being cool, and brain cancer?   What's that got to do with what I posted?

Edited May 14, 2018 by betsy

[betsy]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

Just stating an observation. 

If you believe Jesus is Lord, you probably shouldn't be rabidly supporting a man that habitually cheats on his wife and doesn't condemn people in his staff making fun of a dying man. 

I wonder if he'd be cool with someone mocking Melania's health issues? 

How do you know the statement about McCain was meant to mock, and not  simply a blunt statement of a fact in the political arena??   Was it stated as a deliberate insult and mock,  like "The Basket of Deplorables," by Hillary Clinton?  

"You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump's supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables."   (Laughter/applause) "Right?" (Laughter/applause)

 

The statement about McCain does sound insensitive, and may be in poor taste (I'm only speculating here since I was not there to  witness with my own eyes how it was really said, and in what context).....but, is that a crime?  

 

What was said in that room, should've just stayed in that room.  That way, McCain need not have to hear about it.  But he know now.  Why?  Because some insensitive and self-serving moron had decided to use it, and leaked it to the media!

 

 

 

If you believe Jesus is Lord, then you shouldn't condemn!  

 

If you believe Jesus is Lord, then you shouldn't pass judgement on people about their sins - especially when you merely speculate that he's still committing adultery!     If you don't know for a fact that he's still committing adultery - and you're making it seem that he is - then you're bearing false witness against him! 

If you believe Jesus is Lord, then you should know very well about sins being forgiven!   And most importantly,........you shouldn't be a liberal who support  and promote the agenda of Satan!!

 

One thing I do know, you make a good example fo what I said earlier:   But, I'm noticing though........that those who hate him, are quite so touchy. It doesn't take much to get them foaming and babbling.

Gotta say it.........Trump drives some people nuts.

 

Edited May 14, 2018 by betsy

[GostHacked]

3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

While being so observant, you might note that the Lord Jesus forgives sinners....that's the basis for redemption and grace.

Lots of people cheat on their spouse, including many U.S. presidents.   So what ?

That's all you got ?

I would hope that a person getting into the White House would be a better person than me.  Seems like that was never the case.

[betsy]

There's something seriously dysfunctional with a mentality that tries to be indignant over adulterous affairs........ and yet, condone and support the discriminatory murder of the defenseless, unborn human being............. and protect and cheer on negligent/irresponsible attitudes that causes the rise of STDs.

 

It never occurs to them that just by using a condom.......... could save a  lot of people from both.

 

Edited May 15, 2018 by betsy

[betsy]

14 hours ago, Boges said:

So forgive all numbers of sin from a person that you think will try to prevent people from aborting fetuses or giving rights to gay people. It's interesting how morality works that way. Sexual sin from a heterosexual "billionaire", that's cool. Same sex relationships. . . abomination to God. 

 

So, who do you think does the forgiving of sins?   People?   

Better not use  Christianity as your argument since you're ignorant about it.

Edited May 15, 2018 by betsy

[Michael Hardner]

11 hours ago, GostHacked said:

I would hope that a person getting into the White House would be a better person than me.  Seems like that was never the case.

Are you eager to end dozens of human lives for no reason other than to push a political bookmark out a few pages ?  Of course not.  That's why you are better than all of them.

[Boges]

6 hours ago, betsy said:

So, who do you think does the forgiving of sins?   People?   

Better not use  Christianity as your argument since you're ignorant about it.

The post in was in response to those being forgiven. 

I'm sure Trump's base isn't so forgiving of allowing people to have free healthcare or access to birth control. 

[bush_cheney2004]

7 minutes ago, Boges said:

The post in was in response to those being forgiven. 

I'm sure Trump's base isn't so forgiving of allowing people to have free healthcare or access to birth control. 

 

Nobody has access to "free healthcare".    Healthcare is not "free".

[Boges]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Nobody has access to "free healthcare".    Healthcare is not "free".

OK, government funded health care. 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Boges said:

OK, government funded health care. 

 

Guess who funds the government ?    That includes Trump's "base".

[Boges]

14 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Guess who funds the government ?    That includes Trump's "base".

On a Federal level most of the funding comes from Blue States, I'd imagine. 

[betsy]

45 minutes ago, Boges said:

The post in was in response to those being forgiven. 

I'm sure Trump's base isn't so forgiving of allowing people to have free healthcare or access to birth control. 

You're still missing the point about forgiveness.  

Trump's base stance on free healthcare and access to birth control has nothing to do with forgiveness in the Christian context! 

You're the one who brought up Christianity in your argument, and I'm simply showing that you don't know much about Christianity.  Don't invoke and use something you don't understand.  It usually comes around like a boomerang.

Edited May 15, 2018 by betsy

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, betsy said:

You're still missing the point about forgiveness.  

Trump's base stance on free healthcare and access to birth control has nothing to do with forgiveness. 

It's hypocrisy though. They'll sell their vote to a person that clearly doesn't walk the Christian walk because he'll side with them on certain pet issues. 

What's so Christian about kicking people out of the only country they've ever known because they were brought here illegally? 

 

[betsy]

3 minutes ago, Boges said:

It's hypocrisy though. They'll sell their vote to a person that clearly doesn't walk the Christian walk because he'll side with them on certain pet issues. 

What's so Christian about kicking people out of the only country they've ever known because they were brought here illegally? 

 

"Hyprocrisy to you".....because you don't understand what you're on about.   Now you're talking about something else.  Whom are you referring to that are being kicked out because they're brought here illegally?  Yoooo-hoooooo?   We're talking about Trump in the USA!

You're babbling!

Edited May 15, 2018 by betsy

[Boges]

20 minutes ago, betsy said:

"Hyprocrisy to you".....because you don't understand what you're on about.   Now you're talking about something else.  Whom are you referring to that are being kicked out because they're brought here illegally?  Yoooo-hoooooo?   We're talking about Trump in the USA!

You're babbling!

DACA. 

I could go on about how this administration doesn't exactly portray the love of Jesus. 

Which wouldn't be such an issue if they didn't wear their faith on their sleeves like they do. 

[bush_cheney2004]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

On a Federal level most of the funding comes from Blue States, I'd imagine. 

 

Still a dead end...Trump got lots of taxpayer votes in Blue States.

Summing up...there is no "free healthcare", there is no free "government funded healthcare", and there are plenty of Trump voters in all states....blue or red.

Even Democrats in blue states like Trump's tax cuts:

Majority of Voters in Blue States Like Trump Tax Cuts, Survey Finds

 

[Boges]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Still a dead end...Trump got lots of taxpayer votes in Blue States.

Summing up...there is no "free healthcare", there is no free "government funded healthcare", and there are plenty of Trump voters in all states....blue or red.

Even Democrats in blue states like Trump's tax cuts:

Majority of Voters in Blue States Like Trump Tax Cuts, Survey Finds

 

Tit for tat polling. 

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/04/16/gop-tax-cuts-have-gotten-less-popular-with-voters-nbc-wsj-poll.html

Thought polling was a fraud anyway. 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

DACA. 

I could go on about how this administration doesn't exactly portray the love of Jesus. 

Which wouldn't be such an issue if they didn't wear their faith on their sleeves like they do. 

 

Obama's DACA was unconstitutional from the get go...with or without Jesus' blessing.

Bless all illegals...then deport them.

 

[betsy]

2 hours ago, Boges said:

DACA. 

I could go on about how this administration doesn't exactly portray the love of Jesus. 

Which wouldn't be such an issue if they didn't wear their faith on their sleeves like they do. 

 

Leaders of nations see things differently than regular people.  

You go on as much as you want - your opinion is hollow anyway, since you've demonstrated you don't understand Christianity.

 

Democrats are exploiting DACA for their own interest!

 

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Unable to get legislation through Congress, President Obama created DACA by executive order. He repeatedly called it a temporary and stopgap measure and seemed unsure of its constitutionality himself. Remember “I’m president, I am not king”?

 

President Trump wants to make that right and return the responsibility for setting immigration policy to the people’s representatives in Congress, as evidenced by his recent decision to return 200,000 people to El Salvador who came here more than a decade ago after an earthquake.

He has offered repeatedly to work with Congress to fix DACA — a position that goes against many in his base. But the Democrats in Congress are preventing progress — and for the same reason they did in 2010, to improve their prospects in the midterm elections.

 

The Center for American Progress Action Fund, which is at the center of the policy world on the Democratic side, laid it out in a memo to members earlier this month. “The fight to protect Dreamers … is also a critical component of the Democratic Party’s future electoral success…,” it read. “If Democrats don’t try to do everything in their power to defend Dreamers, that will jeopardize Democrats’ electoral chances in 2018 and beyond.”

 

It’s about raw political power, which means, as Tucker Carlson pointed out, importing “more Democratic voters by any means necessary.”

 

http://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/369780-the-democrats-daca-scam

Edited May 15, 2018 by betsy

[Boges]

29 minutes ago, betsy said:

Leaders of nations see things differently than regular people.  

You go on as much as you want - your opinion is hollow anyway, since you've demonstrated you don't understand Christianity.

Awesome that you're an expert on Christianity. 

Jesus would have certainly supported a very rich man that objectified women. Except he says the exact opposite. 

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When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was a man of great wealth. Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the Kingdom of God / Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

 

[Boges]

Trump invited this great Christian to the opening of the Embassy in Israel. 

https://www.cnn.com/2018/05/13/politics/hagee-jeffress-us-embassy-jerusalem/index.html

Slate’s Ruth Graham wrote Monday morning about Robert Jeffress, a prominent Dallas pastor who was invited to speak at the opening of the U.S.’ extremely controversial new embassy in Jerusalem despite having noted that he believes Jews will suffer for eternity in hell. Jeffress wasn’t the only evangelical figure in attendance the event, though—and in fact, he didn’t even have the hottest take on Judaism of the two who were there. Here’s CNN on San Antonio pastor John Hagee, the founder of Christians United for Israel, who delivered a benediction at the new embassy Monday:

Audio from one of Hagee’s sermons in the 1990s was leaked that seemed to suggest that Adolf Hitler had been fulfilling God’s will by aiding the desire of Jews to return to Israel in accordance with biblical prophecy.

“God says in Jeremiah 16: ‘Behold, I will bring them the Jewish people again unto their land that I gave to their fathers. … Behold, I will send for many fishers, and after will I send for many hunters,’” Hagee said, according to a transcript of his sermon. "’And they the hunters shall hunt them.’ That would be the Jews. … Then God sent a hunter. A hunter is someone who comes with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter.”

Hagee’s Hitler sermon became an issue after he endorsed John McCain during the 2008 presidential campaign; at the time, Hagee clarified that he had not meant to condone the Holocaust and that Hitler was a “monster.”

In any case, the U.S. opened an embassy in Jerusalem, triggering a massive outbreak of violence in the occupied territories, in part to satisfy a Texan extremist who thinks that doing so means we have now done our part in a process initiated by Hitler to fulfill biblical prophecy.

 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 hour ago, Boges said:

....In any case, the U.S. opened an embassy in Jerusalem, triggering a massive outbreak of violence in the occupied territories, in part to satisfy a Texan extremist who thinks that doing so means we have now done our part in a process initiated by Hitler to fulfill biblical prophecy.

 

Sounds good to me...the capital of Israel is Jerusalem...everybody knows that.

The U.S. can open an embassy wherever permitted by the host nation.

Occupied territories have always been violent....long before now.

[eyeball]

13 hours ago, betsy said:

It never occurs to them that just by using a condom.......... could save a  lot of people from both.

Did it ever occur to you to consider the number of souls that condoms snuff?  I thought every sperm was precious.

[betsy]

12 hours ago, Boges said:

Awesome that you're an expert on Christianity. 

Jesus would have certainly supported a very rich man that objectified women. Except he says the exact opposite. 

 

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"When he heard this, he became very sad, because he was a man of great wealth. Jesus looked at him and said, "How hard it is for the rich to enter the Kingdom of God / Indeed, it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God."

  Where does it says  "Jesus would have certainly supported a very rich man that objectified women. Except he says the exact opposite."

Surely you're not saying only rich men objectify women?  What do rich men have a lot of?  MONEY!  Wealth!

Boges, Jesus was simply explaining why it's harder for rich folks to enter the kingdom of heaven. 

 

Btw, don't edit the verses and cherry-pick the lines you want to use.  You can take it out of context when you do that - you can even find and quote a line that says, "there is no God" - but of course, it's taken out of context.      Here's the full verse about that:

 

Mark 10

The Rich and the Kingdom of God

¹⁷ As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. “Good teacher,” he asked, “what must I do to inherit eternal life?”

¹⁸ “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone. ¹⁹ You know the commandments: ‘You shall not murder, you shall not commit adultery, you shall not steal, you shall not give false testimony, you shall not defraud, honor your father and mother.’^[d]”

²⁰ “Teacher,” he declared, “all these I have kept since I was a boy.”

²¹ Jesus looked at him and loved him. “One thing you lack,” he said. “Go, sell everything you have and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven. Then come, follow me.”

²² At this the man’s face fell. He went away sad, because he had great wealth.

²³ Jesus looked around and said to his disciples, “How hard it is for the rich to enter the kingdom of God!”

 

Now, now, now.....don't cherry-pick a line there and say Jesus wants the rich to sell all they've got and give everything to the poor - that's the fave rebuttal used by socialists.  That would be nice indeed.....but that's not what Jesus is really saying here.

 

I'm not an expert on Christianity, but unlike you........ I'm not totally ignorant about it.  I'm studying it.   Big difference.

Anyway, if you want to continue this line of discussion about Trump and Christianity - go to Argus' thread in Religion.  It's been explained clearly in that thread why a lot of Christians support Trump.  Let's not further derail this thread.

 

 

 

 

Edited May 16, 2018 by betsy