America under President Trump

[Argus]

17 minutes ago, taxme said:

The American economy and markets are up. Millions of new jobs are being created.

Millions MORE new jobs were created last year, before Trump was elected.

[taxme]

2 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

My wife...who likes to stay well clear of these things...even notices. Terrorists get millions while our bills go through the roof? I don't think she'll vote JT again...she did.

My wife steers clear of politics also. When we do talk politics, I am quickly shown the door and told to go take a walk. I know that my wife will never vote for JT but unfortunately for me many of our friends are liberals. It makes me ill at times just thinking about it. They are always attacking Trump. Grrrrr.  

[DogOnPorch]

2 minutes ago, Argus said:

Millions MORE new jobs were created last year, before Trump was elected.

 

The Queen was ROBBED of her throne, I tells yah.

[Argus]

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

The Queen was ROBBED of her throne, I tells yah.

You are OBSESSED with Clinton.

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, taxme said:

My wife steers clear of politics also. When we do talk politics, I am quickly shown the door and told to go take a walk. I know that my wife will never vote for JT but unfortunately for me many of our friends are liberals. It makes me ill at times just thinking about it. They are always attacking Trump. Grrrrr.  

She's young...and trusting.

 

One needs to learn that fire burns...

 

[DogOnPorch]

Just now, Argus said:

You are OBSESSED with Clinton.

 

Right...that must be why she goes on book tours and ponders running in 2020.

[taxme]

7 minutes ago, Argus said:

Here's a free clue for you. If the Russian people were so delighted with Putin he wouldn't have to kill or imprison anyone who opposes him, and he wouldn't have to lock down the media the way Trump wishes he could, so it only says nice things about him.  As for how wonderful life is in Russia, well, NOT. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/russia-is-a-mess-the-poverty-rate-is-soaring-and-only-10-of-85-regions-are-financially-stable-2017-01-31

So if Putin is so bad, then why do the people keep voting him in all the time, and Putin is expected to win again? Russia is not the only country in the world that is suffering from poverty or is in debt. You seem to forget that Russia not that long ago got rid of communism that was responsible for wide spread poverty and debt. I have watched videos of Russians who appear to be having a great time and living well and having all the materialistic things that you use and own. I know that you are a Trump and Putin basher and you despise both of them but really have you been to Russia lately or ever been there at all? Why should I believe what you say?  You are no expert on Russia or Putin. 

But why should I believe what you read and post? How do I know that the same stories that you read about Russia/Putin are nothing more than Russian/Putin bashing. After all that is all one ever gets from the North America liberal lying fake media is Trump/Putin bashing. I always say that if the liberal media always goes after someone or some group than that report by the liberal media needs to be looked into further. After all, the North American media already have shown that they can be one of the best at spreading lies and deceit. 

So, what I am trying to say here is that I do not take all that what I read that you posted as gospel. There was plenty of bull chit in that story.  

[DogOnPorch]

The Russians: good rockets. Old...some have fins and fuzzy dice hanging from the dash...but they're sure reliable.

When I was a younger fellow, I was all set to go to the "new" state of Latvia when the Red Army interrupted my travel plans.

[Argus]

4 minutes ago, taxme said:

So if Putin is so bad, then why do the people keep voting him in all the time, and Putin is expected to win again?

Gee. Might have something to do with him having control of the media, and arresting anyone in the opposition who starts to gain a following. Not to mention all the people who count the ballots belong to him.

4 minutes ago, taxme said:

Russia is not the only country in the world that is suffering from poverty or is in debt.

Just one of the few who are HUGE oil exporters.

4 minutes ago, taxme said:

You seem to forget that Russia not that long ago got rid of communism that was responsible for wide spread poverty and debt. I have watched videos of Russians who appear to be having a great time and living well and having all the materialistic things that you use and own. I

Government controlled media will do that for ya.

4 minutes ago, taxme said:

But why should I believe what you read and post? How do I know that the same stories that you read about Russia/Putin are nothing more than Russian/Putin bashing. After all that is all one ever gets from the North America liberal lying fake media is Trump/Putin bashing.

You're ready and willing to believe all the hundreds of independent media outlets in the west are 'fake news' but you rely on state controlled news to be honest? Seriously?

I already told you, a guy who is popular doesn't need to put his political opposition in prison or graves, and doesn't need to control the media.

[Topaz]

2 hours ago, taxme said:

I guess you must mean that when Putin starts exposing and showing all the hacking that the Russians have done on all the emails that the democrats and Hillary have been sending out all these years it could spell the end for the Clinton's and the democratic corrupt party,  and it may end up sending many of them to the cells on Guantanamo. Waterboarding anyone? 

Those Hillary and liberal democratic supporters of the most corrupt and crooked political party in American history will never admit to anything being exposed to them no matter what. Once a brainwashed fool, always a brainwashed fool. Zombism is alive and well in America. 

Well yeah, but China and Trump have apparently made a deal, u give me this and I will give u that.

[OftenWrong]

Poor Hillary...such a victim.

[OftenWrong]

10 hours ago, Argus said:

No, you're missing the point. The Russians were exploring those systems, probing them, figuring out how to hack them. They've had a couple more years to work on them. Is there a nationwide system to prevent this? No. Has the federal government organized the states and gotten them to examine their security procedures and improve them? No. Has anything been done at the federal level? No.

I don't doubt the premise that Russians tried desperately to hack US computer systems and cause disruption, since that is part of the game. There's also evidence that they are covertly broadcasting false information ("Fake ....") to create social discord... and are likely still doing so now. In any case, they're certainly having a good laugh. They might have hacked into Hillary's emails, or someone else did and Russians got a hold of them, passed them along to people who used them to attack America. Eg. the Wikileaks. These techniques are pretty much ordinary. There's evidence that America does this to Russia too, interfering in Russian elections and in countries bordering Russia. Less covert but effective techniques include providing financial support to a preferred candidate, thereby getting them more exposure/ air time, even providing a team of consultants to work with the campaign. Both Democrat and Republican parties have agencies they use to promote their politics internationally, to prop up leaders in almost every country in the world.

National Democratic Institute for International Affairs

International Republican Institute

and have been involved in Canadian elections.

I can believe those things but I don't believe Trump won the election by the direct hacking of computers. I doubt that they are vulnerable and nobody's doing anything about it, that would be utterly absurd. Trump won because people actually voted for him, and you can argue that they were misguided or fed propaganda by Russian agents on Facebook, or whatever, that's fine. But the vote tally showed- he did not win because more people voted Republican, he won because many Democrat voters refused to vote for Hillary and stayed home. Many Links

[taxme]

7 hours ago, Argus said:

Millions MORE new jobs were created last year, before Trump was elected.

Not according to the alternative conservative news media. They report that more jobs were lost under Obamarama than created. I wonder who should we believe now?   

[taxme]

7 hours ago, Topaz said:

Well yeah, but China and Trump have apparently made a deal, u give me this and I will give u that.

Isn't that how things work in politics all the time? 

[taxme]

7 hours ago, Argus said:

Gee. Might have something to do with him having control of the media, and arresting anyone in the opposition who starts to gain a following. Not to mention all the people who count the ballots belong to him.

Just one of the few who are HUGE oil exporters.

Government controlled media will do that for ya.

You're ready and willing to believe all the hundreds of independent media outlets in the west are 'fake news' but you rely on state controlled news to be honest? Seriously?

I already told you, a guy who is popular doesn't need to put his political opposition in prison or graves, and doesn't need to control the media.

When the Comer Report was not in the news, and the reason for that was Harper ordered the controlled media to not say anything on that report. Now how was that for controlling the media and that happened right here in freedom loving Canada? The fake liberal media in America have been pretty much ordered to not report on anything good that Trump is doing.  So don't act like it is something new. It happens all over the world in many countries where an opposition leader has been arrested or even murdered. Who knows why Putin may have someone arrested if that happens at all. Where is the source that says this? You seem to know a lot about Russia don't you? I will ask you again. Have you been to Russia and you happen to know as to what goes on over there in Russian politics or are you just going by something you read in some newspaper somewhere?  

Isn't Canada also a big oil exporter in oil?  So, what's your point? 

Whatever. The Russian people appear to be quite happy having Putin as their leader. I guess that you have been watching some of those videos on the internet about North Korea where the Korean people have to get out there and cheer on and wave at Kim Jung Ill every time they see him or are near him when he speaks, and you must think that is what happens in Russia also, eh? 

How do you know that in Russia ALL news is controlled? I am not aware of this. Again how do you know that Putin puts people in jail because he does not like them? What I need here is someone who is Russian and knows what goes on in Russia and it's politics That would help to clear things up for me. 

[taxme]

8 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Right...that must be why she goes on book tours and ponders running in 2020.

That is if Hillary does not end up in prison before that. 

[bush_cheney2004]

5 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

I don't doubt the premise that Russians tried desperately to hack US computer systems and cause disruption, since that is part of the game. There's also evidence that they are covertly broadcasting false information ("Fake ....") to create social discord... and are likely still doing so now.

 

I don't know why anyone is really surprised by this....the Americans, along with allies, have been flooding Russia with "disrupting" media for generations...funded by government.

[DogOnPorch]

4 hours ago, taxme said:

That is if Hillary does not end up in prison before that. 

 

Rich, privileged folk like Bill and Hillary don't go to prison. They can rape and steal and even murder...

[DogOnPorch]

3 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

I don't know why anyone is really surprised by this....the Americans, along with allies, have been flooding Russia with "disrupting" media for generations...funded by government.

 

Radio America

 

HNY BC-2004

I hope it is a fruitful and prosperous new year for you and yours.

[bush_cheney2004]

18 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Radio America

 

HNY BC-2004

I hope it is a fruitful and prosperous new year for you and yours.

 

Welcome back...quite a return...like Charles de Gaulle !

[DogOnPorch]

21 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Welcome back...quite a return...like Charles de Gaulle !

TY

Vive Le Quebec Libre'...burp.

 

[Topaz]

5 hours ago, taxme said:

That is if Hillary does not end up in prison before that. 

That's Trump plan and Bill may join her, they should have been there a long time ago.

[?Impact]

1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said:

Rich, privileged folk like Bill and Hillary don't go to prison. They can rape and steal and even murder...

So is Donald Trump rich and privileged, or is he common folk?

[DogOnPorch]

2 minutes ago, ?Impact said:

So is Donald Trump rich and privileged, or is he common folk?

 

What part of rich privileged folk don't go to jail didn't you understand?

All of it, it would seem.

[Boges]

8 hours ago, taxme said:

Not according to the alternative conservative news media. They report that more jobs were lost under Obamarama than created. I wonder who should we believe now?   

Like good ole Breibart? Or is that fake news now too?