Hal 9000 Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 8 hours ago, kimmy said: So... the White House is trying to convince everybody that they fired Comey because he was mean to Hillary? Also, the memo says that Comey was fired on the recommendation of Jeff Sessions, but Sessions swore to recuse himself from interfering in the Russia inquiry, so it seems as though Sessions has broken that oath. Meanwhile, after spending all last summer complaining that Hillary had been reckless in using a private email server for classified emails, Trump has given a Russian state-photographer a private tour of the White House. SMRT! I'm not sure how that stacks up against letting Mar-a-Lago guests take selfies with "Rick" and the "nuclear football". -k How did Sessions interfere with the Russian inquiry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted May 11, 2017 Report Share Posted May 11, 2017 2 hours ago, taxme said: They said the same thing about Obama and Hillary also. No, they haven't. And if 'they' have, then they're clearly mistaken. 2 hours ago, taxme said: People died after falling out with those two misfits. None that I'm aware of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 45 minutes ago, Hal 9000 said: How did Sessions interfere with the Russian inquiry? By recommending the firing of the man in charge of the inquiry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Hal 9000 said: Does anyone really believe that an investigation goes away just because someone gets fired? Nope, but I bet you Trump is hoping like hell this one will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 It seems they've had enough time to determine if any collusion occurred. Up till now they have found nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 20 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: It seems they've had enough time to determine if any collusion occurred. Up till now they have found nothing. Nothing? NSA, CIA, FBI, and many others have evidence of collusion. Why do you think Comey was fired? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Just now, Omni said: Nothing? NSA, CIA, FBI, and many others have evidence of collusion. Why do you think Comey was fired? Thursday, May 11, 2017 James Clapper, the former Director of National Intelligence, told a Senate Judiciary subcommittee on Monday that he still has not seen any evidence of any kind of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian foreign nationals. Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-N.C., asked if Clapper's prior statement was correct, when he said on NBC that there was "no evidence' of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russian officials. When asked if that is still accurate, Clapper said Monday, "it is." http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/james-clapper-still-no-evidence-of-any-russian-collusion-with-trump-campaign/article/2622452 It makes no difference what I think the reason was. It is pure speculation. But I doubt it was because Donald Trump was afraid of something coming out of it. By now they should have found something. Either there is evidence, or there is not. People like Van Jones et al are all speculating and doing so for very specific reasons. I don't react to propaganda. Fact is, the people close to the investigation have nothing, as James Clapper makes clear. What I think however is that liberals are looking more and more foolish every day. If they believe that what they are doing with this hysterical smear campaign we are seeing is going to be effective, IE convince the public that Trump is a train wreck in every way, they are likely in for a big surprise. They underestimate the capability of the public to perceive when they are being taken for a ride. If they don't change the message and start coming up with criticisms that are substantial, it will backfire in their faces, much like during the election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 It took just over two years from the Watergate break in until Nixon finally resigned. Very early days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 1 minute ago, OftenWrong said: What I think however is that liberals are looking more and more foolish every day Who is looking more foolish every day is Trump. I think so far he is up to 3 totally contradicting stories as to why he fired Comey. But here is a question to ask yourself, if Trump was so convinced he was not under investigation, why would he invite Comey to the WH for dinner during which he asked him "am I under investigation?" Which by the way is totally illegal to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 To get him on record as saying "No, you are not under investigation". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 25 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: To get him on record as saying "No, you are not under investigation". Either Trump is lying about having asked the question, or, at the time he asked it he was not under investigation. However I remind you, asking that question is illegal, regardless of the appropriate answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, Omni said: Either Trump is lying about having asked the question, or, at the time he asked it he was not under investigation. However I remind you, asking that question is illegal, regardless of the appropriate answer. I can't find any evidence that asking the question is illegal. Do you have evidence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said: I can't find any evidence that asking the question is illegal. Do you have evidence? There are legal arguments on both sides of that fence, however not much doubt about how inappropriate that question was, under the circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Wilber said: It took just over two years from the Watergate break in until Nixon finally resigned. Very early days. I guess that gives you reason for hope then. Hang in there, it'll be alright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Independent investigator is the obvious next step. Trump won't be able to fire them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 3 hours ago, Wilber said: By recommending the firing of the man in charge of the inquiry. Seems like a good idea to me....Comey screwed up the Clinton email server investigation too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 8 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Seems like a good idea to me....Comey screwed up the Clinton email server investigation too. Ha ha ha, you understand you are promoting the same lame excuse Trump is trying to flog eh? Well at least one of them, I think he's got about 3 that are contradictory, and laughable. It will be interesting to see who trump picks to fill the slot. The interim won't of course be acceptable because he supports Comey's professionalism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 1 hour ago, OftenWrong said: I can't find any evidence that asking the question is illegal. Do you have evidence? It's called "Obstruction of Justice" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, OftenWrong said: I can't find any evidence that asking the question is illegal. Do you have evidence? Quote on NBC News on Thursday, Trump said: “And, in fact, when I decided to just do it, I said to myself, I said: ‘You know, this Russia thing with Trump and Russia is a made up story, it’s an excuse by the Democrats for having lost an election that they should’ve won.’” Illegal, I wouldn't know but it sounds a lot like obstruction to me Edited May 12, 2017 by Wilber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 Trump haters in the U.S. (and Canada) are going to have to do a lot better than that to bring down a sitting president. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omni Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Trump haters in the U.S. (and Canada) are going to have to do a lot better than that to bring down a sitting president. No they won't have to do anything, Trumop is doing it to himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OftenWrong Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 8 hours ago, Omni said: It's called "Obstruction of Justice" Asking question is called "Obstruction of justice"? Nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogOnPorch Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 The very same FBI director that these same folks demanded be fired during Hillary's election?? And they're upset, now??? That's awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boges Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 23 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: The very same FBI director that these same folks demanded be fired during Hillary's election?? And they're upset, now??? That's awesome! But to use the handling of Hilary's e-mail thing as an excuse is a bold-faced lie. It's clear Comey got fired because of his Russia investigation. Which is somewhat chilling that Trump will fire anyone who's not a devoted Yes man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted May 12, 2017 Report Share Posted May 12, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, OftenWrong said: Asking question is called "Obstruction of justice"? Nonsense. Certainly trying to influence the investigation by asking something he is not entitled to ask and Comey is not entitled to divulge. He also put the firing of Comey in the same sentence as declaring the Russian investigation to be a made up story. Edited May 12, 2017 by Wilber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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