Argus Posted February 11, 2017 Report Posted February 11, 2017 1 hour ago, Omni said: One of the legal arguments against the ban is that it is against countries who have not harmed the US. Another is that it targets a specific religion. Those aren't legal arguments. That it targets certain countries within a region is an affect of gepolitics. That they haven't 'harmed' the US yet is irrelevant. If the intelligence agencies consider them to be a threat who are judges to contradict them? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted February 12, 2017 Report Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, kactus said: I am just getting started... You know your stance is very confusing to say the least. On one hand you find trumps policies stupid on the other you try to blame Obama.... This is nothing more than rhetoric. It was the sheer incomoetence of a lame duck that he is to read the EO before signing it. But then again if people like Steve Bannon apeal to your way of thinking that's a different matter....I don't.... My way of thinking has nothing to do with Steve Bannon and everything to do with my belief that the courts should not overstep the limits of their authority and knowledge and intrude into areas that the government is and should be the legitimate authority. The security of the country from external threats is not something I think courts should be questioning as they are ill-equipped to do so. Now, do I think the way this temporary ban was implemented was idiotic and incompetent? Sure. But do I think it's unnecessary? Neither I, nor you, nor the courts have the expertise to decide that. Edited February 12, 2017 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Omni Posted February 12, 2017 Report Posted February 12, 2017 41 minutes ago, Argus said: Those aren't legal arguments. That it targets certain countries within a region is an affect of gepolitics. That they haven't 'harmed' the US yet is irrelevant. If the intelligence agencies consider them to be a threat who are judges to contradict them? Well all I can suggest for you is to just read what the judges wrote. And just to catch you up, the CIA asked Trump not to do the ban, but obviously but he didn't listen. 1 Quote
Argus Posted February 12, 2017 Report Posted February 12, 2017 (edited) 16 hours ago, Omni said: Well all I can suggest for you is to just read what the judges wrote. And just to catch you up, the CIA asked Trump not to do the ban, but obviously but he didn't listen. The ultimate decision about the security of the country is Trump's. I don't like him, and I don't think much of the ban, but I do think he has the right to issue it, even a permanent one if he wants to. If the people don't like it they can remove him from office next election. Judges are not democratically elected and aren't responsible to anyone. The people being harmed under this ban are foreigners, so constitutional issues should not have a place in the discussion. Edited February 12, 2017 by Argus Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Omni Posted February 13, 2017 Report Posted February 13, 2017 11 hours ago, Argus said: The ultimate decision about the security of the country is Trump's. I don't like him, and I don't think much of the ban, but I do think he has the right to issue it, even a permanent one if he wants to. If the people don't like it they can remove him from office next election. Judges are not democratically elected and aren't responsible to anyone. The people being harmed under this ban are foreigners, so constitutional issues should not have a place in the discussion. Trump overstepped the 1965 INA immigration law. Judges have the task of upholding the law. Trump loses. 1 1 Quote
BubberMiley Posted February 14, 2017 Report Posted February 14, 2017 (edited) Trump coordinated his response to North Korea's missile test in front of diners in the restaurant of his club. And the people upset with Hillary's handling of her emails are still smug? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/us/politics/mar-a-lago-north-korea-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0 Edited February 14, 2017 by BubberMiley Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
kimmy Posted February 14, 2017 Report Posted February 14, 2017 11 minutes ago, BubberMiley said: Trump coordinated his response to North Korea's missile test in front of diners in the restaurant of his club. And the people upset with Hillary's handling of her emails are still smug? https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/13/us/politics/mar-a-lago-north-korea-trump.html?hp&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&clickSource=story-heading&module=first-column-region®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news&_r=0 oh, big deal. It's not like he's letting people take selfies with the nuclear launch briefcase at the Mar-a-Lago club, right? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
BubberMiley Posted February 14, 2017 Report Posted February 14, 2017 3 minutes ago, kimmy said: oh, big deal. It's not like he's letting people take selfies with the nuclear launch briefcase at the Mar-a-Lago club, right? -k I'm sure Rick was thrilled that the world knows exactly what he looks like and what's in the bag. What could happen? Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
?Impact Posted February 14, 2017 Report Posted February 14, 2017 I love the cell phone being used to light up the classified documents, not like a cell phone doesn't have a camera in it and not like a cell phone can be hacked. Also caught the photo's of 'Rick', the guy that carries the nuclear launch codes. Hilary may have been lax with her security, but it seems like Trump is downright criminally negligent. Quote
Topaz Posted February 14, 2017 Report Posted February 14, 2017 Listening to the news I say the US has many problems and another is surfacing and its the loyalist of Obama leaking intel. info. to the media and I would think that's a no-no in American law and IF Trump can't locate the leak, his government is in trouble and so is the country. I've never seen anything like this, the hatred going on in this country and I'm sure they will try to take Trump out one way or another. Really sad. Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 51 minutes ago, Topaz said: Listening to the news I say the US has many problems and another is surfacing and its the loyalist of Obama leaking intel. info. to the media and I would think that's a no-no in American law and IF Trump can't locate the leak, his government is in trouble and so is the country. I've never seen anything like this, the hatred going on in this country and I'm sure they will try to take Trump out one way or another. Really sad. Nope...the U.S. has survived and thrived during much worse internal conflicts. It is perfectly normal and to be expected in U.S. politics. Remember, the U.S. is not Canada, and that's OK. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
kimmy Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 21 hours ago, BubberMiley said: Trump coordinated his response to North Korea's missile test in front of diners in the restaurant of his club. And the people upset with Hillary's handling of her emails are still smug? Amateur hour! 21 hours ago, BubberMiley said: I'm sure Rick was thrilled that the world knows exactly what he looks like and what's in the bag. What could happen? Amateur hour! 20 hours ago, ?Impact said: I love the cell phone being used to light up the classified documents, not like a cell phone doesn't have a camera in it and not like a cell phone can be hacked. Also caught the photo's of 'Rick', the guy that carries the nuclear launch codes. Amateur hour! I understand that Trump himself is completely new at this, and clearly out of his depth. But doesn't he have any grown-ups around him to tell him that this stuff is dumb? -k Quote (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ Friendly forum facilitator! ┬──┬◡ﾉ(° -°ﾉ)
Wilber Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) 22 minutes ago, kimmy said: I understand that Trump himself is completely new at this, and clearly out of his depth. But doesn't he have any grown-ups around him to tell him that this stuff is dumb? -k He knows the best people. He has the best people. He also knows words. He has the best words. These are real facts. Not those fake facts. Edited February 15, 2017 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 President Trump still has a long way to go to match President Obama's 14 high profile firings and resignations: http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/01/politics/gallery/obama-administration-resignations-firings/ Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Goh Shenas Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 President Trump is getting alot of bad publicity from media. They set him up for things he never did and blame him. That black muslim Barrak Hussein Obama got away with too many foul policies. US shouldn't have a black muslim president that will damage the image and values it upholds? President Trump will help make America great and safe again. There will be no more immigrant refugees from all muslim countries. And even if they come they can run to Canada. Trudeau is happy with open arms to see them. Quote
Omni Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 8 hours ago, Wilber said: He knows the best people. He has the best people. He also knows words. He has the best words. These are real facts. Not those fake facts. Did you not mean to say "alternative facts"? But then what's the diff. between a "fake fact", and an "alternative fact"? And then we now have "fake news". What the fake! I'm confused. 1 1 Quote
Wilber Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Omni said: Did you not mean to say "alternative facts"? But then what's the diff. between a "fake fact", and an "alternative fact"? And then we now have "fake news". What the fake! I'm confused. It's so confusing and I may have them mixed up. Trump facts are alternative facts? Media facts are fake even when Trump complains about them coming from government sources? I can't keep up. Edited February 15, 2017 by Wilber Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
OftenWrong Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 4 hours ago, Omni said: Did you not mean to say "alternative facts"? But then what's the diff. between a "fake fact", and an "alternative fact"? And then we now have "fake news". What the fake! I'm confused. We have alternative news too. Does that help? Quote
betsy Posted February 15, 2017 Author Report Posted February 15, 2017 Quote Noncitizen Sentenced to 8 Years for Illegal Voting http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/02/10/texas-noncitizen-rosa-maria-ortega-sentenced-8-years-voting-illegally She'll be facing deportation later, too, with America under Trump! See? Illegal voting - voting fraud - is a fact! Quote
BubberMiley Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 10 minutes ago, betsy said: See? Illegal voting - voting fraud - is a fact! So you're saying the integrity of the election was compromised and the results should be declared invalid? I think the treason already invalidates it, but we can look at your reasons for a revote too. Quote "I think it's fun watching the waldick get all excited/knickers in a knot over something." -scribblet
Wilber Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 (edited) 45 minutes ago, BubberMiley said: So you're saying the integrity of the election was compromised and the results should be declared invalid? I think the treason already invalidates it, but we can look at your reasons for a revote too. No No, you have it all wrong. It only means Trump won the popular vote. Other than that no fraud took place. The article also said she voted illegally in a Republican primary. Might she be a Trump supporter? Edited February 15, 2017 by Wilber Added content Quote "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
betsy Posted February 15, 2017 Author Report Posted February 15, 2017 On 2/11/2017 at 5:19 PM, kactus said: You know your stance is very confusing to say the least. On one hand you find trumps policies stupid on the other you try to blame Obama.... His stance is not confusing. Argus gave a valid point. Why would it be any different for Obama? Quote
kactus Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 4 minutes ago, betsy said: His stance is not confusing. Argus gave a valid point. Why would it be any different for Obama? Because Argus has said he finds Trump's policies stupid. That's why I would like to know where he stands on Trump. I wasn't talking about Obama. Personally, I don't think speculating what Obama would have done is the right approach since he is not the president now and this would be pointless. Obama is not the president and we should look at the policies of the current administration objectively and not make comparisons to previous administration. Quote
Omni Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 Once again Trump and co. can't keep their stories straight. Yesterday Spicer was saying how Trump had asked for Flynn's resignation because he had lied to the Trump organization. Today Trump at his press briefing said what a wonderful man Flynn is and how his downfall was created by the "fake media". I wonder if Trump will visit him in jail if he gets prosecuted for lying also to the FBI. 1 1 Quote
DogOnPorch Posted February 15, 2017 Report Posted February 15, 2017 If one reads the various daily combat reports from various US Divisions during WW2, you'd swear the Germans were winning. 1 Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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