PIK Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 JT is the one that does not have a cohesive and rational plan. Even listening today on the radio a reporter who was out east at the so called cabinet meeting, said he thought he would see the people working hard on the problems. What he seen was a party still on the campaign trail talking about sunny ways and when trudeau was asked about it, you would not answer. This guy has no clue, it is all about him. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
waldo Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 JT is the one that does not have a cohesive and rational plan. as relevant to this thread, how so? . Quote
Big Guy Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) Canadian involvement was initiated by the former Harper government as an extension of its - Me Too USA - policy. It is not a NATO mission nor a UN mission - It is an American mission based on the USA trying to squeeze the ISIS toothpaste back into the Iraq tube. It aint gonna work. Now the USA needs international cover to try to spread the blame for this fiasco on more countries. Canada did not start this civil war and has no business in being part of it. Take this opportunity to get out before these folks decide to put groups on the ground and we have Canadians coming home in body bags. Already the Conservative critic James Bezan has stated that the Conservatives support a - much more robust training mission and increasing the contribution that the Harper government had made. He also made reference for the need for - boots on the ground. Let us not forget the lesson of Afghanistan. Edited January 19, 2016 by Big Guy Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
PIK Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 Enough of the CIA did it, it gets tiring. This is something that has been growing since the 70's, long before GW Bush. And it is a problem that cant be ignored, and we have to be at the table on this one. We don't have a army just for show or doing remembrance day ceremonies. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Argus Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 so... to you... pledging to stop direct participation in bombing... token participation... is 'nose turning'? Trudeau's attitude shines through. It is the same as most progressives. They shelter behind the people with uniforms and guns while looking down at them as inferior and uncivilized. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 For everyone complaining about us stopping our bombing - when did that happen? And when did Gwrmany start bombing? Is your complaint, perhaps, nonsensical? Germany is getting more involved. Canada has decided to get less involved and return to letting our allies do all the heavy lifting while we supply Gatorade on the sidelines. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 Curiously, I find myself not caring in the slightest about that. The reality is the MND and Trudeau have been very responsible. The could have pulled out CF-18s right away. After all, they promised to and won with that promise in mind. How do you think 'that promise' helped them win given the great majority of Canadians supported Canada's participation? Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 Great! So these guys who got the West involved in this Middle East civil war are now trying to get together to figure out how to get out and do not require Canadian advice and involvement. Thank you very much. The meeting is not about running away, but about ramping up efforts to kill ISIS, the group you have steadfastly portrayed as being the people's choice of government for the last year. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Big Guy Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 The meeting is not about running away, but about ramping up efforts to kill ISIS, the group you have steadfastly portrayed as being the people's choice of government for the last year. You have obviously not done your homework. Please re-read previous posts and complete your assignment before attempting to comment intelligently on this topic. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
cannuck Posted January 19, 2016 Author Report Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) Geez, the Sunny Way spin doctors are working overtime today. Friggin hilarious. It is a snub, pure and simple, from countries who find trouble with ISIS treatment of civilians. Who started what, how, where and when is irrelevant. Stopping the people slaughtering men, women and children for a twisted ideology is what this IS all about, and we are now regarded as no longer part of the solution. Sorry if such a simple truth boggles the minds of Sunny Ways spinners, but I see an awful lot of other simple truths that are similarly mind boggling to them, so I guess we are in for four more years of sheer stupidity being the way of the day. I guess Trudeau will have to get a class IV hitch stuck on the back of Daddy's 300SL. Edited January 19, 2016 by cannuck Quote
Argus Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 You have obviously not done your homework. Please re-read previous posts and complete your assignment before attempting to comment intelligently on this topic. Unfortunately, my teacher is one of those lazy-minded incompetents who only retains his job due to the union and tenure. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Smallc Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 How do you think 'that promise' helped them win given the great majority of Canadians supported Canada's participation? And yet they won. Quote
Smallc Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 Germany is getting more involved. Canada has decided to get less involved and return to letting our allies do all the heavy lifting while we supply Gatorade on the sidelines. Last I checked, our involvement hasn't changed. Quote
Argus Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 Last I checked, our involvement hasn't changed. Clearly Trudeau has communicated his determination to sit this one out to our (former) allies. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
waldo Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 Geez, the Sunny Way spin doctors are working overtime today. Friggin hilarious. the only "spinning" is yours. What was, as you say, "friggen hilarious" was your castration hyperbole in your OP! I've asked a couple of your like-thinkers here if they understand the Liberal government's pledging to continue air support in regards to transport, reconnaissance and refueling... pledging to increase training support and humanitarian support... if those pledges mean anything. Do they mean anything to you? Or is your single measure... spin... the other pledge to stop participating in the direct bombing campaign? and, again, for those so fixated on the most limited contribution of those 6 CF-18s, Belgium had a similar participation, now stopped and pulled out... both Italy and Germany do not participate in the direct bombing campaign. Denmark does participate in bombing, yet won't be at that meeting... oh "the snub"! Quote
Argus Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 And yet they won. What's your point? Their win had more to do with his hair than his promise to run away from Iraq. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
PIK Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 It was all the promises that he is not going to come thru with. They won on a big lie. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
Topaz Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 How can this war from the view of NATO be to save lives in the region when over a million people, mostly women and children have been killed and the US has dropped over 22,000 bombs and yet ISIS lives. As far as I'm concerned IF, NATO wanted ISIS gone they would have been gone a long time ago but they have a different agenda and Canada didn't go into Iraq, which proved right. Canada, Britain and the US could beat Hitler but not ISIS? Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 ... Canada, Britain and the US could beat Hitler but not ISIS? Not without Soviet ground troops. Send in the Russian army ! Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Big Guy Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 Unfortunately, my teacher is one of those lazy-minded incompetents who only retains his job due to the union and tenure. I agree. The incompetence of the student is the probable result of an incompetent teacher. Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Big Guy Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 How can this war from the view of NATO be to save lives in the region when over a million people, mostly women and children have been killed and the US has dropped over 22,000 bombs and yet ISIS lives. As far as I'm concerned IF, NATO wanted ISIS gone they would have been gone a long time ago but they have a different agenda and Canada didn't go into Iraq, which proved right. Canada, Britain and the US could beat Hitler but not ISIS? The "coalition" could have eradicated ISIS a long time ago. I wonder why some of the bright lights here have not explained why a coalition of 62 countries: http://news.nationalpost.com/news/mobilizing-the-world-up-to-62-nations-and-groups-have-joined-coalition-against-isis have been unable to wipe out 40,000 disorganized soldiers http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/11/world/meast/isis-syria-iraq/ and a military having no airplanes and no heavy artillery or armaments? Maybe there is something going on that you do not understand? Or do you understand that countries with multi millions in population, thousands of aircraft available, a million potential soldiers and the latest military technology available (including drones and robots) has been able to only - "keep ISIS from spreading" but are goinhg to keep it a secret? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Big Guy Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 Little by little I am getting convinced that Canada should jump into this war with both feet just like we jumped into that Iraq debacle when pressured by president George Bush! What? - You say that we did not jump into that useless war and get hundreds or thousands of our soldiers killed for no reason like the USA did? Pity. Maybe the brighter Canadians are learning from past mistakes like Afghanistan. BTW - Do those same folks here who think Canada should get more involved in this latest USA fiasco also think that we should have joined the Iraq invasion and the "holding pattern" in Afghanistan? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
Keepitsimple Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) The "coalition" could have eradicated ISIS a long time ago. I wonder why some of the bright lights here have not explained why a coalition of 62 countries: http://news.nationalpost.com/news/mobilizing-the-world-up-to-62-nations-and-groups-have-joined-coalition-against-isis have been unable to wipe out 40,000 disorganized soldiers Same reason as with Israel and Hamas. The need to protect civilians. When the bad guys insist on occupying and storing arms in hospitals and schools, when they hide among the civilian population, it's almost impossible to engage them without inflicting civilian casualties. To a large degree, the miniscule amount of collateral damage (civilian deaths) gets as much - if not more negative play than the thousands of atrocities committed by these deviants...........and that's why it almost becomes a war of attrition.....can we kill them faster than they can replace them. Edited January 19, 2016 by Keepitsimple Quote Back to Basics
Big Guy Posted January 19, 2016 Report Posted January 19, 2016 Same reason as with Israel and Hamas. The need to protect civilians. When the bad guys insist on occupying and storing arms in hospitals and schools, when they hide among the civilian population, it's almost impossible to engage them without inflicting civilian casualties. To a large degree, the miniscule amount of collateral damage (civilian deaths) gets as much - if not more negative play than the thousands of atrocities committed by these deviants...........and that's why it almost becomes a war of attrition.....can we kill them faster than they can replace them. Then how can the coalition win this war? Quote Note - For those expecting a response from Big Guy: I generally do not read or respond to posts longer then 300 words nor to parsed comments.
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