Shady Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 (edited) The Germans there are probably just racist!Berlin (AFP) - A town in Germany has banned male asylum seekers from public swimming pools after complaints from women that they were being harassed by migrants, AFP learnt Friday.A spokesman for the local government of Bornheim said the ban on male asylum seekers above the age of 18 came after six people filed complaints "over the sexually offensive behaviour of some migrant men at the pool".http://news.yahoo.com/german-town-bans-male-asylum-seekers-public-pools-152516727.htmlThis is another result of ad hoc, unfettered immigration led by leftists policies that put good intentions over common sense. The common sense approach would be to move slowly. Allowing proper assimilation of smaller amounts of newcomers over a longer period of time. This would benefit newly arriving citizens as well as keep public opinion up, which generally favours helping people escaping terrible circumstances in other areas of the world. Instead, wreckless and irresponsible leftist policy puts immigrants in a difficult position, and turns public opinion against them. Too much policy based on emotion rather than logic and reason. Edited January 17, 2016 by Michael Hardner corrected spelling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msj Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 The problem with assimilating them is that then they become similar to us so then when they are taking pictures in our malls with their phones they get accused of being potential terrorists because, brown skin and beards! http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/men-behind-vancouver-s-pacific-centre-mall-suspicious-photographs-speak-out-1.3407459 Although, to be fair, the police did an okay job here. It's the media that screwed up by not blurring their faces until the facts could be determined. And that's the point: we are all individuals etc etc, go watch Life of Brian for the rest of their sermon..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Instead, wreckless and irresponsible leftist policy puts immigrants in a difficult position, and turns public opinion against them. Isn't turning public opinion against them your raison d'etre? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Bad behaviour should not be condoned in any public place. It would make more sense to ban those individuals and not all refugees. Refugees aren't going away anytime soon so wouldn't it make more sense to handle this in a way that would encourage respectable behaviour. It makes no sense to punish all refugees because of a few. It sends a terrible message and will only further encourage feelings of isolation and degradation among the innocent refugees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Not to take a side on this immigrant, non-immigrant issue but what actions are considered to be harassing? I have seen this term used too often in such subjective terms that it loses meaning. This soon leads to male - female disagreement because "looking" can be "oogling" and compliments on attire can become sexual harassment. The latest definition that I have seen of sexual harassment is any action or statement that some individual (the recipient) feels is sexual harassment. That is why harassment is not illegal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hal 9000 Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Bad behaviour should not be condoned in any public place. It would make more sense to ban those individuals and not all refugees. Refugees aren't going away anytime soon so wouldn't it make more sense to handle this in a way that would encourage respectable behaviour. It makes no sense to punish all refugees because of a few. It sends a terrible message and will only further encourage feelings of isolation and degradation among the innocent refugees. It's more likely that to avoid being bigots, certain places will just ban men in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted January 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Bad behaviour should not be condoned in any public place. It would make more sense to ban those individuals and not all refugees. Refugees aren't going away anytime soon so wouldn't it make more sense to handle this in a way that would encourage respectable behaviour. It makes no sense to punish all refugees because of a few. It sends a terrible message and will only further encourage feelings of isolation and degradation among the innocent refugees. Nobody's saying punish all refugees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted January 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Not to take a side on this immigrant, non-immigrant issue but what actions are considered to be harassing? I have seen this term used too often in such subjective terms that it loses meaning. This soon leads to male - female disagreement because "looking" can be "oogling" and compliments on attire can become sexual harassment. The latest definition that I have seen of sexual harassment is any action or statement that some individual (the recipient) feels is sexual harassment. That is why harassment is not illegal. Yes, it must've just been looking. Same with the hundreds of women assulted in Cologne and other places. Women probably just need to get tougher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Nobody's saying punish all refugees. Banishing ALL male asylum seekers is ok with you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 It's more likely that to avoid being bigots, certain places will just ban men in general. They aren't banning all men in general, just asylum seekers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Yes, it must've just been looking. Same with the hundreds of women assulted in Cologne and other places. Women probably just need to get tougher. Many women swimming laps in a pool would feel very uncomfortable to have men 'looking' or 'leering' while they are working out. While it's not illegal, the facilities have the right to ban individuals if they are not being respectful to women but certainly not the entire population of male asylum seekers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Many women swimming laps in a pool would feel very uncomfortable to have men 'looking' or 'leering' while they are working out. Then they should not work out in a public pool. Nothing special about their insecurities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Yes, it must've just been looking. Same with the hundreds of women assulted in Cologne and other places. Women probably just need to get tougher. You obviously seem to have a preconception of Muslims and this current refugee crisis. What would you do to solve this problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted January 17, 2016 Report Share Posted January 17, 2016 Then they should not work out in a public pool. Nothing special about their insecurities. Not surprised with this response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 It appears to me that the difference between somebody "looking" at an individual and someone "leering" at an individual depends on the interpretations by the individual and will vary with the individual. What is the difference between looking and leering - or watching and oogling - or complimenting and harassing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shady Posted January 18, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 You obviously seem to have a preconception of Muslims and this current refugee crisis. What would you do to solve this problem? No preconception of Muslims. Just going by what their cultures prevailing attitudes are, and the religious and political dogma they follow. Facts can be stubborn things sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 No preconception of Muslims. Just going by what their cultures prevailing attitudes are, and the religious and political dogma they follow. Facts can be stubborn things sometimes. Ok. So what do you suggest that we do about it in Canada? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 This Washington Post article uses the phrase "sexual assaults", not harrassment. This Deutche Welle article uses the phrase "sexual harrassment". It also points out that this "ban" is only temporary, until social workers have more time to "educate" migrants. These guys come from a culture where they don't even know how to interact with fully dressed women. Why would anybody be shocked that they don't know how to interact with women in swimwear? Maybe giving them free passes to the pool as part of their care package wasn't such a hot idea. -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 I'd also point out that talking on your phone during a movie isn't against the law either, but the theatre still has the right to throw your ass out, and not let you come back until you learn some manners. Same principle. -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 Just like kimmy can bust you if you don't play nice here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kimmy Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 Just like kimmy can bust you if you don't play nice here. I can't. Like a swimming pool lifeguard, I can only blow my whistle and shake my finger angrily at you. -k Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 I can't. Like a swimming pool lifeguard, I can only blow my whistle and shake my finger angrily at you. -k You wouldn't have been offered the job if your opinion didn't carry a lot of weight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
overthere Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 Ok. So what do you suggest that we do about it in Canada? start by banning racist Germans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastRunner Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) It appears to me that the difference between somebody "looking" at an individual and someone "leering" at an individual depends on the interpretations by the individual and will vary with the individual. What is the difference between looking and leering - or watching and oogling - or complimenting and harassing? If a woman feels uncomfortable while trying to workout I suppose. It's a no brainer.Would you question your wife or daughter or grand daughters interpretation if they refused to return because of their uncomfortable feelings? Edited January 20, 2016 by WestCoastRunner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Guy Posted January 20, 2016 Report Share Posted January 20, 2016 (edited) If a woman feels uncomfortable while trying to workout I suppose. It's a no brainer. Would you question your wife or daughter or grand daughters interpretation if they refused to return because of their uncomfortable feelings? Thank you for the question. I would never question the feelings of others but we live in a relatively free society. In a public place the public is allowed. It is also allowed to leave. I have been in restaurants where I was uncomfortable where we were seated. I asked for a change in seating and left if I did not like it. I believe that it is wrong to use the feelings of anybody as a criteria for behavior in any public place. If a person finds a mother breastfeeding her child in public and complains then the complainant is informed that it is a legal act and he or she should leave if it makes them uncomfortable. I agree. If anyone is doing something that is illegal in a public place then they should be identified, removed, charged and judged. If someone is doing something that is legal but the recipient is uncomfortable then I suggest that the recipient should leave the area. Edited January 20, 2016 by Big Guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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