drummindiver Posted August 3, 2017 Report Posted August 3, 2017 10 hours ago, dialamah said: All men rape. Deal with it. Women have had to for fucking ever. Lol. Oye veI. Was there ever such misandry and bigotry posted in the name of progressive liberalism? 1
capricorn Posted August 3, 2017 Report Posted August 3, 2017 1 hour ago, Hydraboss said: You may want to check your "facts" on this. "Hate crimes" against muslims is nowhere near the level of "hate crimes" against Jews. Coincidentally, I was reading an article on hate crimes against Jews and looked up some stats. Canada's 2011 National Household Survey found there were 1,053,945 Muslims or about 3.2% of the population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Canada Canada's Jewish population is around 385,000, less than 1% of the population. http://www.cija.ca/resource/canadian-jewry/basic-demographics-of-the-canadian-jewish-community/ Hate crimes targeting the Jewish population accounted for 13% of all hate crimes, followed closely by hate crimes targeting the Muslim population (12%). http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/170613/dq170613b-eng.htm I'm not a statistician but from those numbers I came to the conclusion that per capita Jews had more reported hate crimes against them than reported hate crimes against Muslims. If I'm reading this wrong I would welcome being set straight. "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
Argus Posted August 3, 2017 Report Posted August 3, 2017 15 hours ago, WestCoastRunner said: That doesn't make sense. The populations of Aboriginals and Muslims are pretty close and yet I can count 29 Aboriginal women killed compared to 3 or 4 out of a total of 156. Yes, because they're marked with 'aboriginal' so you can't miss them, and we know aboriginal communities have a huge problem with violence and drug/alcohol abuse. However if Muslims make up about 4% of the population then it stands to reason that on that list there should be about four or five Muslim names - IF the incidence of domestic homicide is similar to the greater population. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted August 3, 2017 Report Posted August 3, 2017 3 hours ago, DogOnPorch said: Jacee is free to support Islam and marry Omar Khadr...if he'll have her. As are you.
Argus Posted August 3, 2017 Report Posted August 3, 2017 14 hours ago, Michael Hardner said: Do they print their religion or just their nationality ? Of course religion is never mentioned except in the context of depicting the funeral service or showing pictures or videos of the family. Nevertheless if they're from Somalia the odds are vanishingly small they're not Muslims. I'm pretty sure 95% of Arabs are Muslim, as well. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 3, 2017 Report Posted August 3, 2017 11 hours ago, blackbird said: So what exactly is Islamophobia in your mind? Anyone who doesn't like any aspect of Islam. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 3, 2017 Report Posted August 3, 2017 11 hours ago, jacee said: Zź Prejudice, like anti-Semitism. Islamophobia, anti-Muslim behaviour, is now the number one source of hate crimes and attacks in Canada. Drivel. It's not even remotely close, not even to being in second place, or third. 1 "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 3, 2017 Report Posted August 3, 2017 10 hours ago, jacee said: Then shut up about telling them what to decide. Duh. I don't want to tell them what to wear. I want to keep them out of my country. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted August 3, 2017 Report Posted August 3, 2017 10 minutes ago, capricorn said: Coincidentally, I was reading an article on hate crimes against Jews and looked up some stats. Canada's 2011 National Household Survey found there were 1,053,945 Muslims or about 3.2% of the population. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Canada Canada's Jewish population is around 385,000, less than 1% of the population. http://www.cija.ca/resource/canadian-jewry/basic-demographics-of-the-canadian-jewish-community/ Hate crimes targeting the Jewish population accounted for 13% of all hate crimes, followed closely by hate crimes targeting the Muslim population (12%). http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/170613/dq170613b-eng.htm I'm not a statistician but from those numbers I came to the conclusion that per capita Jews had more reported hate crimes against them than reported hate crimes against Muslims. If I'm reading this wrong I would welcome being set straight. No that's right ... for 2011. But this is 2017 and hate crimes against Muslims have now surpassed those against Jews (link posted previously), including 6 Muslim people murdered and 19 injured, and a strong increase in other attacks as well.
Argus Posted August 3, 2017 Report Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) 10 hours ago, dialamah said: My view of Islam is that it's a male-centric religion that the world would be better off without. Same view I have of Christianity. And yet you spend every day here frantically defending it from any and all accusations, and furiously resisting the idea of bringing fewer of its adherents to Canada. Edited August 3, 2017 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted August 3, 2017 Report Posted August 3, 2017 2 minutes ago, Argus said: I don't want to tell them what to wear. I want to keep them out of my country. Oh, you want your country to practice discrimination based on religion? You're in the wrong country. Go south.
Argus Posted August 3, 2017 Report Posted August 3, 2017 10 hours ago, dialamah said: All men rape. Deal with it. Can I say all Muslims are terrorists now? 1 "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 3, 2017 Report Posted August 3, 2017 9 hours ago, jacee said: Oh let's not play 'mine is better than theirs', k? We're not debating religions because that's a personal choice. We're discussing Islamophobia, an increasing problem in Canada. And yet you still can't define it. The definitions which exist all contain qualifiers, not just the distrust and dislike of Islam, but the 'unreasoning' distrust and dislike. That means that reasonable fears and concerns about Islam and Muslims are not Islamophobia. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
jacee Posted August 3, 2017 Report Posted August 3, 2017 1 minute ago, Argus said: And yet you spend every day here frantically defending it from any and all accusations, and furiously resisting the idea of bringing fewer of its adherents to Canada. You really don't grasp what "freedom of religion" means, do you?
Argus Posted August 3, 2017 Report Posted August 3, 2017 8 minutes ago, jacee said: No that's right ... for 2011. But this is 2017 and hate crimes against Muslims have now surpassed those against Jews (link posted previously), including 6 Muslim people murdered and 19 injured, and a strong increase in other attacks as well. Evidence? Cite? Proof? "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 3, 2017 Report Posted August 3, 2017 4 minutes ago, jacee said: You really don't grasp what "freedom of religion" means, do you? I grasp that the only religion you care for is Islam, while all Christian denominations, and of course, Jews, get the back of your hand. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted August 3, 2017 Report Posted August 3, 2017 6 minutes ago, jacee said: Oh, you want your country to practice discrimination based on religion? Yes. I also freely admit that I don't want to import people who believe human sacrifice is part of their religion, or who think the body parts of albinos will cure them of curses, or that their god requires them to always drive on the left side of the road. 6 minutes ago, jacee said: You're in the wrong country. Go south. As soon as you go and live in Saudi Arabia. 2 "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
capricorn Posted August 3, 2017 Report Posted August 3, 2017 23 minutes ago, jacee said: No that's right ... for 2011. But this is 2017 and hate crimes against Muslims have now surpassed those against Jews (link posted previously), including 6 Muslim people murdered and 19 injured, and a strong increase in other attacks as well. I rarely read your shrill posts full of one-liners meant to insult members. Please provide more recent stats to back your claim that reported hate crimes against Muslims now surpass reported hate crimes against Jews. 3 "We always want the best man to win an election. Unfortunately, he never runs." Will Rogers
DogOnPorch Posted August 3, 2017 Report Posted August 3, 2017 6 minutes ago, capricorn said: I rarely read your shrill posts full of one-liners meant to insult members. Please provide more recent stats to back your claim that reported hate crimes against Muslims now surpass reported hate crimes against Jews. And not a peep re: Alexandre Bissonnette and his 'motives' lest the whole story come out. "He's a white supremacist, damn-it. Didn't you see the news???" 2 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted August 3, 2017 Report Posted August 3, 2017 47 minutes ago, jacee said: As are you. Three is a crowd. Plus, I eat bacon for breakfast in bed. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
blackbird Posted August 3, 2017 Report Posted August 3, 2017 2 hours ago, jacee said: Oh, you want your country to practice discrimination based on religion? You're in the wrong country. Go south. Are you misogynistic? How can you support a religious ideology which discriminates against women and welcome it into Canada? 1
Rue Posted August 3, 2017 Report Posted August 3, 2017 14 hours ago, dialamah said: My view of Islam is that it's a male-centric religion that the world would be better off without. Same view I have of Christianity. Well throw mine in too of you mean its male centric. As the "world" it might be better off without humans who create these religions as a basic primal behaviour. Trying to tell humans to cease being religious is liking telling them not to fart, especially male humans. Its an inevitable consequence of how we digest things.
Goddess Posted August 3, 2017 Report Posted August 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, Rue said: Well throw mine in too of you mean its male centric. As the "world" it might be better off without humans who create these religions as a basic primal behaviour. Trying to tell humans to cease being religious is liking telling them not to fart, especially male humans. Its an inevitable consequence of how we digest things. What I don't understand is how a person can see that a religion is male-centric (aren't they all, really?) and still deny that that worldview affects how they relate with females inside and outside of their families. "There are two different types of people in the world - those who want to know and those who want to believe." ~~ Friedrich Nietzsche ~~
Rue Posted August 3, 2017 Report Posted August 3, 2017 2 hours ago, Goddess said: What I don't understand is how a person can see that a religion is male-centric (aren't they all, really?) and still deny that that worldview affects how they relate with females inside and outside of their families. Religion is the leading cause of loss of vision not glaucoma or diabetes..
OftenWrong Posted August 3, 2017 Report Posted August 3, 2017 (edited) 17 hours ago, dialamah said: He lied; his sponsor had told him several times that it was illegal to beat one's wife in Canada. Not that such details matter to right-wing, anti-Muslim and anti-Immigration types - or the media they support. Here's an insightful article about the Rafias. Consider his situation, and then consider the fact that as the economy in Alberta declined, domestic abuse increased. Here's the thing: if the man hadn't been a Muslim refugee, this would not have been a story worth publishing. Every week, at least one woman dies as a result of domestic violence; how many more do you suppose end up in hospital? Three thousand women sleep in shelters every night, and 300 more are turned away - women trying to escape from violent partners. That's an awful lot of women who are suffering from domestic violence, don't you think? But these aren't Muslim women who've been beaten by a Muslim man, so it's not news. Why waste time on the many examples of Canada's wife-beating culture when you can focus in on a single Muslim refugee that will support your anti-Muslim/anti-immigrant agenda? First, I am not anti-Muslim per se. It's not about the religion. I work with some men who are Muslim every day and they are perfectly normal, they love their wife and daughter. But you are not listening to the argument, when you hear criticism such as I have outlines all you read is anti-islamic, anti-immigration". I've been clear on this before so you should know better than this. What I oppose is certain cultural attitudes that are fully accepted in countries in the ME and Africa, including but not limited to misogyny. Part of it comes from their religion. Take note of the fact the the new and old testament contain passages that are quite violent, which is the way it was everywhere when you go far enough back in time. We in the west have only recently come out of this and changed our thinking on women's rights, gay rights. Our cultural attitudes changed and I believe it's necessary to make them change to become like us, not the other way around. Second, since they are brought up in a culture where women are second rate, possessions equivalent to goats or what have you, without the right to go to school or drive, this is what they understand to be completely normal. I noted that the women in the article tried to cover it up and defend her husband. That's not uncommon even in our country when women are in abusive relationships, some women seem to go for guys who like to beat them up. They think they deserve it. They need help to change that attitude. The difference between the west and those countries is that we have laws to protect her rights, and support systems to help her. In places like Pakistan, Afghanistan, Saudi, other "backward" nations all Muslim in fact, they have no rights. You know that so stop lying and making me into the monster you want me to be, just so that you feel like you're right. Edited August 3, 2017 by OftenWrong misspelled 1
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