Islamophobia in Canada

[DogOnPorch]

You forgot to mention the Asians. Is there any other segment of our population you want to include?

Islam is a religion and a political ideology. You could convert today.

[Hudson Jones]

This is the reality of what most Muslims feel about the extremists who preach extremism: Edited January 23, 2016 by kimmy
video link

[kimmy]

I think the difference between you and I is that when I think Muslims, I don't see this:

(angry bearded dudes)

When I think Muslim, I just see another person. My image of Muslims comes from my experience with them and the travels I have done.

Many people who are Islamophobes, tend equate Muslims to the extreme caricatures that are out there. Like the small group of extremists who are in London and who protest with signs saying: "Islam will dominate" or "Submit to Islam".

I see those guys as nothing other than a yapping minority, who are using freedom of speech to be stupid. Kind of like the extremist Christian group, Westboro Baptist Church who love to freely express their stupidity.

I'm glad no one sees Christians the same way.

I'm really not that concerned with angry guys walking around with signs yelling about how much the West sucks.

I'm more concerned with guys like this

or this

Germany needs to ban alcohol if it wants to prevent further sexual violence and to help North African migrants integrate into society, a Muslim pressure group has claimed.

Commenting on the Cologne sex-attack controversy, MuslimStern, which has 20,000 followers on Facebook, said its mission was to 'highlight the way the media was using the incidents to promote racism against minorities'.

The group complained that the female victims had brought the unwanted attention to themselves by dressing in a manner that North African men were not accustomed to.

'In general, the woman wearing due to their nature have a responsibility when it goes out of the house.

'You can not throw a naked antelope from a lion and expect that at the lion stirs nothing.

'It is amazing that is taught in biology class so much about the mating and sexual behavior of living things, but these rules are completely ignored in everyday life.

'And because many non-Muslims constantly emphasise that we live in a Christian country, we call on you, in this country that women should dress Christian.

'Mary, Mother of Jesus, lived out as a Christian woman has to dress. So it would be highly recommended for some women to take Mary as a role model and not Lady Gaga.'

or this

A Salafist imam in Cologne has said victims of the New Year's Eve sexual assaults were partly responsible for the attacks. In a subsequent interview, Sami Abu-Yusuf has claimed his comments were "taken out of context."

Sami Abu-Yusuf also said one of the reasons why the men raped or assaulted the women was "due to the way they dressed."

"If they're half-naked and wearing perfume, it's not surprising that such things would happen," Abu-Yusuf said.

-k

[Bonam]

or this

or this

-k

Don't worry, all that will be duly attributed to "rape culture" and "patriarchy" so that the blame can be placed everywhere besides where it actually belongs.

In other news, I'm sure all the German women (and men) that advocated for millions of refugees to be brought in are very glad now that women's rights have been set back a century and they have to start from the beginning fighting to enshrine the idea that women have the right to wear what they want without risking being raped. Before long, many of these refugees will be citizens and will be sitting on juries, deciding that German women deserved to be raped because they didn't wear enough.

Also, won't be long before Germany is free of Jews again, as violence against Jews is rapidly on the rise all across Europe as the Arab and Muslim populations, raised on Jew-hatred from birth, increase rapidly.

Progressive Islamo-utopia, here we come.

[waldo]

so..... this thread still can't find its way back to Canada!

[kimmy]

so..... this thread still can't find its way back to Canada!

So... we shouldn't worry about things until after they've happened in Canada? Like, we shouldn't worry about nuclear weapons, since none have ever detonated in Canada?

You've moved on from trying to pretend that there isn't a problem in Europe, which is good, but the notion that we shouldn't learn from the issues that other countries are now experiencing seems like a head-in-the-sand approach.

-k

[waldo]

So... we shouldn't worry about things until after they've happened in Canada? Like, we shouldn't worry about nuclear weapons, since none have ever detonated in Canada?

You've moved on from trying to pretend that there isn't a problem in Europe, which is good, but the notion that we shouldn't learn from the issues that other countries are now experiencing seems like a head-in-the-sand approach.

worry? Yes, there's sure a lot of a very special kind of flavoured worry phobia on display through much of this thread! It's hard to believe you just wrote that closing sentence I've quoted. I mean, c'mon... I highlighted and acknowledged those much thread profiled 'New Years incidents'. You know, where I provided a degree of comparative analysis on that one particular country's profiled incident by putting perspective around the criminality versus the relative number of just a single years (2015) number of registered immigrants within that country. Apparently, that perspective caused much consternation among a few of the more prolific posting phobes in this thread.

and hey, I'm all for your expressed "urge to learn"! That's why I keep pointing out the lack of inward focus directly... with practical applied learning that rises above phobia... back to Canada. And I do so with pointed relative emphasis in terms of the numbers of Canadian refugees and the methodology in place and being followed to process those refugees into Canada. Are you able to apply your apparent "learnings" in that regard, particularly to point out, say... gaps, deficiencies, requirements, etc..

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[Argus]

You know, where I provided a degree of comparative analysis on that one particular country's profiled incident by putting perspective around the criminality versus the relative number of just a single years (2015) number of registered immigrants within that country. Apparently, that perspective caused much consternation among a few of the more prolific posting phobes in this thread

It wasn't a perspective so much as a deliberate attempt to excuse sexual assault and rape. I have noticed that the perves here seem to enjoy smirking about this incident and waving their hand casually as if it was no more than these women deserved anyway. There is a lot of hatred for women among perves, which is probably why they embrace middle eastern attitudes towards sexual harassment.

[waldo]

It wasn't a perspective so much as a deliberate attempt to excuse sexual assault and rape. I have noticed that the perves here seem to enjoy smirking about this incident and waving their hand casually as if it was no more than these women deserved anyway. There is a lot of hatred for women among perves, which is probably why they embrace middle eastern attitudes towards sexual harassment.

perves? Really? Oh my... apparently, I've touched a nerve! Good to read you explicitly stating that relaying qualifying data/stats is your benchmark for calling someone a "perve". And you add some real finishing by extending that to suggest your labeled "perves" embrace sexual harassment. Oh my!

[Hal 9000]

so..... this thread still can't find its way back to Canada!

It is about Canada. You want to see what Canada will look like in a few years, look to western europe. Everything that happens here happens there first. It really should make our decisions easy, but we just can't seem to learn from others mistakes.

If i have a friend in Alberta, one in Ontario and one in Nova Scotia who all jump off a bridge and break their leg, I know that If I jump off a bridge in BC, I'll break my leg too. I don't need to actually jump off a bridge to know that. Clearly Justin wants us to learn the hard way.

[dialamah]

It is about Canada. You want to see what Canada will look like in a few years, look to western europe. Everything that happens here happens there first. It really should make our decisions easy, but we just can't seem to learn from others mistakes.

If i have a friend in Alberta, one in Ontario and one in Nova Scotia who all jump off a bridge and break their leg, I know that If I jump off a bridge in BC, I'll break my leg too. I don't need to actually jump off a bridge to know that. Clearly Justin wants us to learn the hard way.

Please provide back-up for your implication that JT is bringing in over a million refugees in a single 12-month-period. Unless that is the plan and actually could happen (given the complaint among some that we can't even manage 10,000 in three months), we have no chance of facing the same problems Europe is facing.

Edited January 23, 2016 by dialamah

[waldo]

It is about Canada. You want to see what Canada will look like in a few years, look to western europe. Everything that happens here happens there first. It really should make our decisions easy, but we just can't seem to learn from others mistakes.

following the aforementioned MLW member kimmy's emphasis on learning, this thread is also a teaching opportunity for you; one to emphasize practical applied learning facets, ones that rise above phobia, back inwardly to Canada. And I suggest this with a pointed relative emphasis in terms of the numbers of Canadian refugees and the methodology in place and being followed to process those refugees into Canada. Are you able to extend on this teaching opportunity in that regard, particularly to point out, say... gaps, deficiencies, requirements, etc..

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If i have a friend in Alberta, one in Ontario and one in Nova Scotia who all jump off a bridge and break their leg, I know that If I jump off a bridge in BC, I'll break my leg too. I don't need to actually jump off a bridge to know that. Clearly Justin wants us to learn the hard way.

again... it's your teaching opportunity here! Surely you can be more direct and relevant than just playing out silly bridge jumping nonsense.

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[Hal 9000]

Please provide back-up for your implication that JT is bringing in over a million refugees in a single 12-month-period. Unless that is the plan and actually could happen (given the complaint among some that we can't even manage 10,000 in three months), we have no chance of facing the same problems Europe is facing.

I didn't imply any such thing!

What I did imply several (maybe 100) pages back that once certain percentages of population are reached that minorities change and start to show their true nature. History of the world shows this, but more recently, the history of western europe shows this as well.

[Hal 9000]

following the aforementioned MLW member kimmy's emphasis on learning, this thread is also a teaching opportunity for you; one to emphasize practical applied learning facets, ones that rise above phobia, back inwardly to Canada. And I suggest this with a pointed relative emphasis in terms of the numbers of Canadian refugees and the methodology in place and being followed to process those refugees into Canada. Are you able to extend on this teaching opportunity in that regard, particularly to point out, say... gaps, deficiencies, requirements, etc..

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again... it's your teaching opportunity here! Surely you can be more direct and relevant than just playing out silly bridge jumping nonsense.

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If you can't learn from the incidents in Sweden, Norway, Germany, Switzerland, France, Great Britain among other countries, then what will it take?

Do you really have to wait for mass sexual assaults in Canada before something in your head twigs?

[Hudson Jones]

I'm really not that concerned with angry guys walking around with signs yelling about how much the West sucks.

I'm more concerned with guys like this

or this

or this

-k

Nitpicking and posting from the Dailymail will not prove that this is what Muslims stand for. It's easy to find stupid comments made by people and groups.

I can post thousands of outrageous comments made by groups that represent Christians, Jews, whites, blacks, browns.

You continue to try to sell your position from a perspective that has already been discussed. The perspective that a select few idiots somehow represent all Muslims.

Again, have a look at this video and perhaps seek to watch the documentary to see what majority of Muslims think about the stupid people you think represent Islam.

[waldo]

If you can't learn from the incidents in Sweden, Norway, Germany, Switzerland, France, Great Britain among other countries, then what will it take?

Do you really have to wait for mass sexual assaults in Canada before something in your head twigs?

you've already raised your concern over Europe; many times over! Again, with this teaching opportunity, are you able to convey that concern of yours in a practical manner inwardly to Canada, one that aligns with a pointed relative emphasis in terms of the numbers of Canadian refugees and the methodology in place and being followed to process those refugees into Canada? Are you able to extend on this teaching opportunity in that regard, particularly to point out, say... gaps, deficiencies, requirements, etc., in regards those numbers and related processing?

[dialamah]

I didn't imply any such thing!

Every time someone brings up what is happening in Europe as a reason to fear Middle Eastern immigrants/refugees, they are implying that somehow or other, we could be overun by a million people from the Middle East in a matter of months. They never explain how that could possibly happen, because obviously it could not, they just repeat the same scary, thoughtless and ridiculous "warning".

No doubt any country faced with millions of people arriving on it's doorsteps is going to have difficulties, regardless of where those millions of people come from. No doubt, Canada will face the same issues if/when climate refugees start arriving on our doorstep.

What I did imply several (maybe 100) pages back that once certain percentages of population are reached that minorities change and start to show their true nature. History of the world shows this, but more recently, the history of western europe shows this as well.

You mean, that some groups hold rallies or marches because they want certain things? Or maybe they petition a government for certain considerations? Like, citizens of any country don't already do that?

[dialamah]

If you can't learn from the incidents in Sweden, Norway, Germany, Switzerland, France, Great Britain among other countries, then what will it take?

Do you really have to wait for mass sexual assaults in Canada before something in your head twigs?

This morning on the news, I heard about several separate sexual assaults over the last few days. Oddly, the perpetrators were not identified as being 'Middle Eastern" or "African", merely men. Obviously, this proves that men everywhere in Canada are rapists and women need protection!

The notion that somehow things are going to get 'worse' for women in Canada because a few thousand Middle Eastern men come here is laughable. You so concerned about the welfare of women, how about advancing the notion that ALL MEN in Canada be chemically castrated: after all, a FEW MEN in this population have assaulted and raped women, so ALL MEN should pay the price, eh? Start with you?

What happened in Germany was horrific; even other MALE SYRIAN REFUGEES have said so. But to blame and assume ALL THE MEN who share similar background as the assaulters are also guilty is just wrong.

Edited January 23, 2016 by dialamah

[Hal 9000]

Most people who used common sense thought certain thins were possible, others just wouldn't believe it. So here is what we should've learned over the last couple months. What the left thought vs. what we learned:

These terrorists were lone wolves, outcasts from the general muslim society. What we learned from Paris and San Bernardino is that many people, including family and friends were aware of impending terrorist attacks .- and said nothing.

Women can't be terrorists! Now we know they can be, not just from San Bernardino but from some other attacks around the world and in Paris.

Trudeau wants to let in mainly families because thats safer, what we learned is that these terrorist groups will place people together as families

A young mother poses no threat, because hey, they're a loving, nourishing mother. Now we know from San Bernardino that yes, a new mom can be a terrorist.

Terrorists are not posing as refugees! But, we know that they are and in fact found a Syrian passport maker.

Skyrocketing rape numbers in europe are an anomaly...and may not be muslims (because no numbers are kept). After Germany and Sweden and switzerland and whatever country, we now have learned something - right?

[dialamah]

I'm really not that concerned with angry guys walking around with signs yelling about how much the West sucks.

I'm more concerned with guys like this

or this

or this

-k

Seriously? In this country, our oh-so-civilized Canada, women who accuse men of sexual assault are closely examined as to conduct, dress and location at the time of the alleged assault. If alcohol is involved, it's a defense for the man, and a conviction for the woman. Women are often assumed to be lying, or to be suffering from 'regret' after a consensual sexual act. Ultimately something like 1% of sexual assault charges brought ever end up in conviction, implying that 99% of victims aren't really victims. This is so well known that many women don't even bother reporting assaults, because of the automatic censure they receive.

And you somehow think that some people from another culture saying EXACTLY what some people from this culture say 'proves' anything at all?

[Guest]

You continue to try to sell your position from a perspective that has already been discussed. The perspective that a select few idiots somehow represent all Muslims.

They don't represent all Muslims. They are, however, Muslims. Good Muslims do good Muslim things because they are good Muslims. Bad Muslims do bad Muslim things because they are bad Muslims. Usually the good Muslims don't make the news because their actions don't involve newsworthy things like beheadings or stonings, or group sexual assault. It's a shame, which I do try, in my own little way, to address, on here, by posting every now and then.

I do have a question though. When you say a few select idiots, how many, roughly, are you talking about?

[Hudson Jones]

They don't represent all Muslims. They are, however, Muslims. Good Muslims do good Muslim things because they are good Muslims. Bad Muslims do bad Muslim things because they are bad Muslims. Usually the good Muslims don't make the news because their actions don't involve newsworthy things like beheadings or stonings, or group sexual assault. It's a shame, which I do try, in my own little way, to address, on here, by posting every now and then.

I do have a question though. When you say a few select idiots, how many, roughly, are you talking about?

I don't have a percentage, but I do know it's an overwhelming majority, especially the ones who have moved to Western countries, who are loud and clear about their position against a group like ISIS. There are many topics that we can talk about and every person is different, so I'm not about to announce, as a non-Muslim, exactly what I am speaking against here, which is; It's stupid to generalize Muslims or any other large group with a diverse background, based on the action of a select few.

[Argus]

Please provide back-up for your implication that JT is bringing in over a million refugees in a single 12-month-period. Unless that is the plan and actually could happen (given the complaint among some that we can't even manage 10,000 in three months), we have no chance of facing the same problems Europe is facing.

Canada already has more than a million Muslims. Within ten years it will have two million.

[On Guard for Thee]

Canada already has more than a million Muslims. Within ten years it will have two million.

Not sure if this is xenophobic angst or pluralistic exuberance, but we currently have a Muslim population of 3.2% and which is forecast to grow to 6.6% by 2030. I don't think we are being overrun.

[WestCanMan]

It's stupid to generalize Muslims or any other large group with a diverse background, based on the action of a select few.

You're seriously calling what happened in Europe "the actions of a select few"?

Do you have the slightest clue what level of crime that represents from such a small population?